Why are people buying electric cars?

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I previously said there could be parts issue with the lesser well known brands, I'm going to retract that now after realizing Chery, Omoda, Lepas, Jaecoo, Delivan Freelander iCAUR brands are all part of Chery International. The group produced 2.8 million vehicles in 2025, that's not some tiny little car manufacture.

Also, if anyone thinks build quality could be an issue, Chery has had a joint venture in China with JLR since 2012, building the Range Rover Evoque, Discovery Sport and various models of Jaguar. (OK Evoque might not be the best example of a quality build)

None of the JLR products in gerneral are synonymous with build quality. There's also independent garages and mechanics not only being hesitant to work on Chinese cars, but possibly unable due to diagnostics software lacking, lack of repair manuals and data, EV training for them etc.

If they keep pouring their cars into the UK then it will of course all come in due course, but the possible increase from 10% to 45% tariffs might slow things down.
 
I'm getting 15k max out of my tyres. :(

We just replaced the front tyres on Mrs. Mariner's Citroen C3 Aircross. Bridgestone Turanza 5s dropping below the legal limit on the edges (There's a place where she pulls out going to work in the morning turning left and it's hard to avoid wheelspin) at 18,000 miles. I used the same turning on a daily basis and went through 3 1/2 sets of tyres in 90K miles. The rears on her car are OK but probably won't make it past 25K, so not a tyre with longevity at it's core.

I've replaced them with Pirelli Cinturato P7s - they seem quieter, steer a little better and have a slightly more comfortable ride.
 
Much as I like my ICE car, I do enjoy driving Mrs Nod's EV - spectacular acceleration and hugely reduced cost per mile.
This is something I've been noticing and quite interested in since I was reading a general discussion (not on an electric car forum) and there were a number of people who commented they liked the electric cars just for the way they drove. We have an electric coaches here now (from a company called Ember) and I've been really impressed by how smooth they are especially in stop/start traffic. I've been put off by electric cars by over the top defenders and the fact that the high price and low fuel was of no use to me when I don't use much fuel.

I'm hoping to get a test drive in a VW ID7 because the two year old ones are a similar price to Octavias, Superbs and Corollas but they're a really good spec and 280bhp. My 2011 Mazda6 is due into the garage again to look into another exhaust leak (supposedly it sitting around a lot is bad for the exhaust), the exhaust heat shield has fallen off again and there's a headlight levelling arm which seems to have come apart (£450 part). It's been a great car and extremely reliable which is what worries me about replacing it however it is getting old now to the point where it's not great to drive and with the amount of corrosion underneath so I'm questioning when to give up on it and move on.
 
We just replaced the front tyres on Mrs. Mariner's Citroen C3 Aircross. Bridgestone Turanza 5s dropping below the legal limit on the edges (There's a place where she pulls out going to work in the morning turning left and it's hard to avoid wheelspin) at 18,000 miles. I used the same turning on a daily basis and went through 3 1/2 sets of tyres in 90K miles. The rears on her car are OK but probably won't make it past 25K, so not a tyre with longevity at it's core.

I've replaced them with Pirelli Cinturato P7s - they seem quieter, steer a little better and have a slightly more comfortable ride.

Thanks, rub it in why don't you... :D
 
This is something I've been noticing and quite interested in since I was reading a general discussion (not on an electric car forum) and there were a number of people who commented they liked the electric cars just for the way they drove. We have an electric coaches here now (from a company called Ember) and I've been really impressed by how smooth they are especially in stop/start traffic. I've been put off by electric cars by over the top defenders and the fact that the high price and low fuel was of no use to me when I don't use much fuel.

I'm hoping to get a test drive in a VW ID7 because the two year old ones are a similar price to Octavias, Superbs and Corollas but they're a really good spec and 280bhp. My 2011 Mazda6 is due into the garage again to look into another exhaust leak (supposedly it sitting around a lot is bad for the exhaust), the exhaust heat shield has fallen off again and there's a headlight levelling arm which seems to have come apart (£450 part). It's been a great car and extremely reliable which is what worries me about replacing it however it is getting old now to the point where it's not great to drive and with the amount of corrosion underneath so I'm questioning when to give up on it and move on.

The ID7 would be a fine EV replacement for my current car and has been on my radar for a while. It ticks a lot of boxes.
 
Rule change and more good news. From today drivers in England who do not have off-street parking will no longer need to get planning permission to put in a pavement gully outside their home.

The government has given £25m in funding to councils in England for pavement gullies for people with on-street parking, but the money is being distributed in different ways, depending on the local authority.

 
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Rule change and more good news. From today drivers in England who do not have off-street parking will no longer need to get planning permission to put in a pavement gully outside their home.

The government has given £25m in funding to councils in England for pavement gullies for people with on-street parking, but the money is being distributed in different ways, depending on the local authority.


That's great, so long as you can always get parked outside of your house or don't live in tenements or flats. Public charging costs also need to be looked at and a good start would addressing the 20% VAT rate.
 
That's great, so long as you can always get parked outside of your house or don't live in tenements or flats. Public charging costs also need to be looked at and a good start would addressing the 20% VAT rate.

You don't need to be parked outside your house every day, for the vast majority charging just once a week will be more than enough.

Something I didn't know is there over 1000 free public charging points . Ok that's not many, but still if your near one what a bonus (I thought Scotland had a very cheap scheme but can't find that anymore)

 
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You don't need to be parked outside your house every day, for the vast majority charging just once a week will be more than enough.

Still doesn't mean you can get parked outside your house when needed and there's also dropped kerbs to consider. What about tenements or flats?


Something I didn't know is there over 1000 free public charging points . Ok that's not many, but still if your near one what a bonus (I thought Scotland had a very cheap scheme but can't find that anymore)


From my own quick check it's more like 1,800-2,300, but it also says that many of them are at hotels etc for guests and car dealerships but often for brand customers or test drive vehicles. Supermarkets are now mainly chargeable but the free ones will most likely be very slow charging.

Scotland, 196+ free devices, but again most are now pay-per-use apparently.
 
Rule change and more good news. From today drivers in England who do not have off-street parking will no longer need to get planning permission to put in a pavement gully outside their home.

The government has given £25m in funding to councils in England for pavement gullies for people with on-street parking, but the money is being distributed in different ways, depending on the local authority.

Paywalled so I can't read it, but presumably for a simple gulley you'd be able to fund it yourself, though maybe not dig it yourself (just where is that electric cable, and how deep? :LOL:). Would certainly be a solution for me. I live in a village in a rural area and a lot of the houses here including mine have no off road parking, so it really isn't just a town centre problem. Very few public chargers and what there are are miles away. No en route/destination charging where I go. Why are we stuck with this absurd DIY-fund-it-yourself (if you can) model when there should be charging stations like petrol stations?
 
Paywalled so I can't read it, but presumably for a simple gulley you'd be able to fund it yourself, though maybe not dig it yourself (just where is that electric cable, and how deep? :LOL:). Would certainly be a solution for me. I live in a village in a rural area and a lot of the houses here including mine have no off road parking, so it really isn't just a town centre problem. Very few public chargers and what there are are miles away. No en route/destination charging where I go. Why are we stuck with this absurd DIY-fund-it-yourself (if you can) model when there should be charging stations like petrol stations?

The Guardian is not paywalled, just accept the adverts which there are very few.

Personally I never see the popup as I use a browser extension "Bypass Paywalls Clean" which bypass paywalls of news sites (mostly)
 
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Paywalled so I can't read it, but presumably for a simple gulley you'd be able to fund it yourself, though maybe not dig it yourself (just where is that electric cable, and how deep? :LOL:). Would certainly be a solution for me. I live in a village in a rural area and a lot of the houses here including mine have no off road parking, so it really isn't just a town centre problem. Very few public chargers and what there are are miles away. No en route/destination charging where I go. Why are we stuck with this absurd DIY-fund-it-yourself (if you can) model when there should be charging stations like petrol stations?

The gulleys are certainly not a waste of time as they will help some and to be fair at least it's an attitude in the right direction by the authorities by acknowledging the challenges of those without driveway. I've long supported the notion of having charging stations that work in a similar fashion as petrol stations and if we can get widespread charging speeds at a similar rate to what it takes to fill a tank of petrol and at a reasonable price, then that's a big step forward.

One small issue might be the grid, but one idea I've had previously is if battery tech improves enough then instead of the chargers all feeding off the grid, instead the charging station has large batteries, just as a petrol station has fuel bunkers under the ground. Individual chargers run off the large batteries during the day and then these large batteries charge up over night when there is less demand on the grid.
 
One small issue might be the grid, but one idea I've had previously is if battery tech improves enough then instead of the chargers all feeding off the grid, instead the charging station has large batteries, just as a petrol station has fuel bunkers under the ground. Individual chargers run off the large batteries during the day and then these large batteries charge up over night when there is less demand on the grid.

I sure I've posted before, but that is exactly what BYD are installing with their super fast 1500kV charger. The grid drip feeds a battery, which is then used to charge the car from 10 to 70% in five mins and 10 mins to 97%
 
I sure I've posted before, but that is exactly what BYD are installing with their super fast 1500kV charger. The grid drip feeds a battery, which is then used to charge the car from 10 to 70% in five mins and 10 mins to 97%

If the forecourt price is right and this sort of thing can roll out nationwide, then I can probably start looking at EV's.
 
UK battery electric vehicle registrations grew by roughly 54% in October from a year earlier, overtaking hybrid and ‌petrol models and taking nearly a 32% market share, industry data showed on Wednesday.

According to New Automotive, 49,155 new BEVs were registered in ⁠the UK in October 2026, accounting for 31.8% of all new-car registrations.
Total registrations rose 26.9% in October to 154,407 units
"Almost one in three new cars sold in October was fully electric, more than any other fuel type, and ‌electric ⁠car sales are up by more than half on last year," Ben Nelmes, CEO of the car-industry lobby group New Automotive, ⁠said
 
we replaced our X1 with an Kia EV3 in September adding to our BMW i3

only 1500 miles so far - but one long run, (a lot of Mway plus small rural roads) seemed to have a range of 340 miles, (I think WLTP is 370 miles) and about 4.2+ miles per kW
It's a very comfortable car, but the Euro safety tech get's some getting used to and can be a bit of a love/hate system

 
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we replaced our X1 with an Kia EV3 in September adding to our BMW i3

only 1500 miles so far - but one long run, (a lot of Mway plus small rural roads) seemed to have a range of 340 miles, (I think WLTP is 370 miles) and about 4.2+ miles per kW
It's a very comfortable car, but the Euro safety tech get's some getting used to and can be a bit of a love/hate system


Aye, KIA seem to stick to the rules more than some other manufacturers, lots of safety warnings etc you can't switch off. Lovely car though, I do like a car that has character.
 
Saw one of those at Tesco last week.

They look awful imo especially those funny shaped wheel arch things and that silly wiggly line along the side.
Matches our BMW i3 - but I agree I prefer my E92, design-wise
 
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Aye, KIA seem to stick to the rules more than some other manufacturers, lots of safety warnings etc you can't switch off. Lovely car though, I do like a car that has character.

Kia make good cars - had a Stonic and Sportage (both petrol) in the past. They are one of the manufactures I think who are doing well in the transition to EV
 
Saw one of those at Tesco last week.

They look awful imo especially those funny shaped wheel arch things and that silly wiggly line along the side.

Folk used to say the KIA Soul looked aweful but I loved mine.
 
I managed to get a test drive of a VW ID7 finally. There's a lot I liked about it, from the outside its styling is quite subtle and understated which I think looks good and it feels quite special getting into it, with the minimal dashboard and decent sized HUD it felt more like getting into a shuttle from Star Trek. The spec was fantastic given it's the base model with blind spot monitoring (highly desirable for me), adaptive cruise, 360 degree cameras (which also showed a preview of the forward of the car when maneuvering through parked cars), seat massagers/heaters, heated steering wheel etc.

I didn't get a chance to get up to 60/70mph which was a real frustration but the car was really smooth to drive and with no gearbox there was never a feeling of being in the wrong gear. Something which appealed to me about the electric part is that it has 280bhp but without needing premium fuel or worrying about the turbocharger.

On the downsides though it's a big heavy car and really felt like it when driving it, my Mazda6 is on the big side for estates but the ID7 is even bigger and a good bit heavier. However it's smaller at the back than the Mazda, the boot entrance is smaller and it's down on capacity compared to the Mazda as well - I would have been fine with the bigger car for more space inside as the Mazda isn't great for capacity but not being bigger outside and smaller inside.

The dealbreaker for this particular car and perhaps inexperience with the dealer which wasn't a VW one was they had no record of the services, the current battery state of health (SOH) and no confirmation of the warranty either. I was shocked to find the servicing for this car is £400 a go although only every two years rather than one and this car is possibly due one, I see a lot of comments about how electric cars need less maintenance but this works out more than my annual services for my petrol car. The other issue with this car as with most of the original ID7's is that it doesn't have a heatpump although I still can't really work out how useful it is on this model, people are really split on it.

I found another ID7 which is a year newer when VW made the heatpump standard on the base model which suggests there is demand for it, this car is also from VW so had better documentation on its history (which admittedly there isn't yet) and not a huge amount more money. So I've been giving serious thought to his one although the possible repair issue is one of my biggest concerns, with a petrol/diesel car you mostly know where you are but with the electric cars while they generally seem reliable when they have problems they can be difficult to repair.

Handily I was also able to test drive an Octavia VRS with blind spot monitoring which is fairly rare. It immediately felt more agile and better to drive although beyond that I wasn't too taken with it, I'm not a fan of auto gearboxes and as usual this one didn't seem to really know what I was wanting to do with it. The throttle response for the 280bhp engine was pretty lackluster too, I think in both cases I'd need to set up driving modes to have the car respond as I wanted however it did put me off, my current car and my previous Octavia VRS drove well without needing any changes. The Octavia spec wasn't bad but it wasn't as good as the ID7 despite being a more expensive car second hand although I think the ID7 started off more expensive.

I do wonder as the market changes if electric car prices are going to climb as they become more popular making the ID7 a good buy at the moment as the depreciation to this point is horrific so if I bought one and didn't like it, I could potentially change to a petrol car later without losing out too much.

I'd decided it was time to get shot of the Mazda as it's feeling old these days at times especially at low speed when you can hear the suspension going over bumps. However after 5 hours of driving to see these cars and finding it drove much better than either of them, I'm starting to wonder if I'm being too hard on the Mazda. Its old 2.5 engine is quite thirsty and it's possibly due £1500 of repairs shortly but that's peanuts against the cost of even the cheaper ID7 I looked at. It's also huge inside with few estates that can beat it as I was reminded when putting big MTB in the back and it handled it easily.

I was out for a cycle this evening and chatting to a friend who has an EQB and was surprised I was interested in an electric car, he said he really missed his RAV4 as it felt bulletproof and he thought the hybrid drive gave the feel of the electric car but easy to keep refuelled. At the moment I'm feeling like hanging onto the Mazda for at least up to its MOT and assess it from there.
 
they had no record of the current battery state of health (SOH)

This should be in the Car Status on the Control Screen - generally it seems to be that it takes a little bit of a hit in early years and this then slows down for the rest of the lifecycle of the vehicle (Logarithmic decline), It is often a state of how its been chrarged, ie a company owned car where the user has used fast chargers a lot will show a lower SOH than one that has been slowed charged most of its life. My Volvo EX30 is still on 100% after 14K miles

I do wonder as the market changes if electric car prices are going to climb as they become more popular making the ID7 a good buy at the moment as the depreciation to this point is horrific

Electric cars do take a bit of hit in early years at the moment, but this is changing, as ICE fuel costs keep increasing then pre-loved EV prices are hardening. Personally I think that if you can buy outright (no finance) and have the capability to charge at home then a carefullly selected pre-loved EV is a worthwhile choice (as long as an EV will meet your lifestyle)

I was out for a cycle this evening and chatting to a friend who has an EQB and was surprised I was interested in an electric car, he said he really missed his RAV4 as it felt bulletproof and he thought the hybrid drive gave the feel of the electric car but easy to keep refuelled. At the moment I'm feeling like hanging onto the Mazda for at least up to its MOT and assess it from there.

If youy are unsure and the Mazda effectively owes you nothing, then hanging on a bit is no biggie. The time to change any vehicle has to be right. We've been thinking about changing our second car a Toyota Yaris to an EV, but just at the moment the numbers don't quite stack up, as a) the Yaris is averaging over 72mpg and b) I often use it for work with over 250 mile days with no opportunity to charge while I'm workming on a client site. Samll EVs just don't have that sort of range.
 
Handily I was also able to test drive an Octavia VRS with blind spot monitoring which is fairly rare. It immediately felt more agile and better to drive although beyond that I wasn't too taken with it, I'm not a fan of auto gearboxes and as usual this one didn't seem to really know what I was wanting to do with it. The throttle response for the 280bhp engine was pretty lackluster too

This is a feature of automatic gearboxes. Before buying my BMW in January I tried a bunch of different cars, from new to 3 years old, and all autos. None could respond promptly or with the accuracy that is normal for a manual car. Overtaking requires anticipation to wind up the engine and transmission and I now understand why many other drivers have seemingly lost their ability in recent years to maintain their position in a moving stream of traffic.

I'd probably buy an EV now because the driving experience with all IC cars has been made so poor.
 
I managed to get a test drive of a VW ID7 finally. There's a lot I liked about it, from the outside its styling is quite subtle and understated which I think looks good and it feels quite special getting into it, with the minimal dashboard and decent sized HUD it felt more like getting into a shuttle from Star Trek. The spec was fantastic given it's the base model with blind spot monitoring (highly desirable for me), adaptive cruise, 360 degree cameras (which also showed a preview of the forward of the car when maneuvering through parked cars), seat massagers/heaters, heated steering wheel etc.

I didn't get a chance to get up to 60/70mph which was a real frustration but the car was really smooth to drive and with no gearbox there was never a feeling of being in the wrong gear. Something which appealed to me about the electric part is that it has 280bhp but without needing premium fuel or worrying about the turbocharger.

On the downsides though it's a big heavy car and really felt like it when driving it, my Mazda6 is on the big side for estates but the ID7 is even bigger and a good bit heavier. However it's smaller at the back than the Mazda, the boot entrance is smaller and it's down on capacity compared to the Mazda as well - I would have been fine with the bigger car for more space inside as the Mazda isn't great for capacity but not being bigger outside and smaller inside.

The dealbreaker for this particular car and perhaps inexperience with the dealer which wasn't a VW one was they had no record of the services, the current battery state of health (SOH) and no confirmation of the warranty either. I was shocked to find the servicing for this car is £400 a go although only every two years rather than one and this car is possibly due one, I see a lot of comments about how electric cars need less maintenance but this works out more than my annual services for my petrol car. The other issue with this car as with most of the original ID7's is that it doesn't have a heatpump although I still can't really work out how useful it is on this model, people are really split on it.

I found another ID7 which is a year newer when VW made the heatpump standard on the base model which suggests there is demand for it, this car is also from VW so had better documentation on its history (which admittedly there isn't yet) and not a huge amount more money. So I've been giving serious thought to his one although the possible repair issue is one of my biggest concerns, with a petrol/diesel car you mostly know where you are but with the electric cars while they generally seem reliable when they have problems they can be difficult to repair.

Handily I was also able to test drive an Octavia VRS with blind spot monitoring which is fairly rare. It immediately felt more agile and better to drive although beyond that I wasn't too taken with it, I'm not a fan of auto gearboxes and as usual this one didn't seem to really know what I was wanting to do with it. The throttle response for the 280bhp engine was pretty lackluster too, I think in both cases I'd need to set up driving modes to have the car respond as I wanted however it did put me off, my current car and my previous Octavia VRS drove well without needing any changes. The Octavia spec wasn't bad but it wasn't as good as the ID7 despite being a more expensive car second hand although I think the ID7 started off more expensive.

I do wonder as the market changes if electric car prices are going to climb as they become more popular making the ID7 a good buy at the moment as the depreciation to this point is horrific so if I bought one and didn't like it, I could potentially change to a petrol car later without losing out too much.

I'd decided it was time to get shot of the Mazda as it's feeling old these days at times especially at low speed when you can hear the suspension going over bumps. However after 5 hours of driving to see these cars and finding it drove much better than either of them, I'm starting to wonder if I'm being too hard on the Mazda. Its old 2.5 engine is quite thirsty and it's possibly due £1500 of repairs shortly but that's peanuts against the cost of even the cheaper ID7 I looked at. It's also huge inside with few estates that can beat it as I was reminded when putting big MTB in the back and it handled it easily.

I was out for a cycle this evening and chatting to a friend who has an EQB and was surprised I was interested in an electric car, he said he really missed his RAV4 as it felt bulletproof and he thought the hybrid drive gave the feel of the electric car but easy to keep refuelled. At the moment I'm feeling like hanging onto the Mazda for at least up to its MOT and assess it from there.

Heatpumps IIRC give better battery life/charging so useful.

Service wise, I have had my Tesla over 3 years and aside from tyres, just the one MOT. No service needed. Changed cabin filters myself. Dont see why you need one every 2 years
 
Heatpumps IIRC give better battery life/charging so useful.

Service wise, I have had my Tesla over 3 years and aside from tyres, just the one MOT. No service needed. Changed cabin filters myself. Dont see why you need one every 2 years

Warranty is the reason (from a user perspective).
 
Kia - EV or not 7 yr warranty, (8 years on EV Battery as most makes give)

the battery degradation on our BMW i3 has been minimal and it's almost 6 years old, (we have had it since new) - range is still the same as when it was new - it has always been charged at home on a slow granny charger...............daughter and daughter-in-law have i3's and they just love then as does my wife .........even words like "it's one of the best car that I have had" are said .........their range is also similar to when new
We have had one problem - we needed to replace the heater unit, (apparently a common problem)

All new cars lose a shed load of money in years 1, 2 and 3.............if you buy a new car it's just something that you have to accept ..........I would think most lose 25%+ in Year 1 ........I just fancied a brand new car when we bought our EV3 in September ............but buying a good used one year old vehicle makes a lot of financial sense especially if it's a Kia with the 7 year warranty.
 
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I bought my current car a Ford Focus MK4 diesel officially secondhand 2300 miles from Ford Direct. Strangely if came with a 2 year warranty as opposed to a brand-new Ford with just 1 year. Its 8 years old and worth much less than half what I paid (it's still very low mileage) The service is annually (especially the oil) always been serviced at a Ford dealer (but this year was the last time). 8th year service and MOT £531.25

I'd hate to think what the dealer service price is on a premium brand ICE car (BMW, Merc, Audi ect)


Personally I think there are really two choice when buying new cars, change every 3 years and know you'll lose money on run it into the ground .

My previous 2 cars I had for 12 and 13 years and both around 120K miles.
 
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Electric cars do take a bit of hit in early years at the moment, but this is changing, as ICE fuel costs keep increasing then pre-loved EV prices are hardening. Personally I think that if you can buy outright (no finance) and have the capability to charge at home then a carefullly selected pre-loved EV is a worthwhile choice (as long as an EV will meet your lifestyle)
I think you're right here which is why I've been considering buying one now because they are great deals, similar spec Skodas (Superbs/Octavias) are hard to find and a good bit more expensive. When the Iran war started earlier in the year there was a jump in the second hand ID7 prices and I can see as there's more of a shift towards electric cars that they'll start to hold their value better and petrol/diesel cars will decline.

Originally I thought an electric car wouldn't fit my lifestyle because I don't really do many short drives and mainly use the car for very long drives. However the more I've been thinking about it I don't do that many long drives these days and actually this year when I went down to Bristol and last year to London I flew down or took the train rather than driving as I used to. Plus charging seems to be getting easier, on the way out to where the ID7 was I stopped by a train station and they had a huge number of new charging bays installed. I usually go on holiday to the outer hebrides and looking at the charging map I think it's now getting easier to charge the car than to get petrol since you can easily get electricity anywhere whereas it's a difficult location to get petrol out to.

Certainly financially it doesn't work getting a newer car which I know but I've realised I do very little driving these days and hope that a new car would encourage me to get out more. But I think that's a similar mistake to buying a new camera to reinvigorate photography.
 
Handily I was also able to test drive an Octavia VRS with blind spot monitoring which is fairly rare. It immediately felt more agile and better to drive although beyond that I wasn't too taken with it, I'm not a fan of auto gearboxes and as usual this one didn't seem to really know what I was wanting to do with it. The throttle response for the 280bhp engine was pretty lackluster too, I think in both cases I'd need to set up driving modes to have the car respond as I wanted however it did put me off, my current car and my previous Octavia VRS drove well without needing any changes. The Octavia spec wasn't bad but it wasn't as good as the ID7 despite being a more expensive car second hand although I think the ID7 started off more expensive.

Autos should be fine, just have to adapt to how they work, especially dual clutch.
 
This is a feature of automatic gearboxes. Before buying my BMW in January I tried a bunch of different cars, from new to 3 years old, and all autos. None could respond promptly or with the accuracy that is normal for a manual car. Overtaking requires anticipation to wind up the engine and transmission and I now understand why many other drivers have seemingly lost their ability in recent years to maintain their position in a moving stream of traffic.

I'd probably buy an EV now because the driving experience with all IC cars has been made so poor.

I find autos in regular driving mode can be slow to respond, especially dual clutch. I do find that you have to know how it works, otherwise it can catch you out and in particular for cars that don't have a lot of torque at low rpms.

In sport mode I find them far more responsive, especially if you have decent torque around the 2,500-3,000rpm range, otherwise it's kickdown time and usually a delay, although not any more than changing gear, unless it's a dual clutch and you are going against its prediction.

Can't beat EV for simplicity though.
 
Autos should be fine, just have to adapt to how they work, especially dual clutch.
I can drive an auto fine and had them a few times on hire cars (actually driven more miles this year in an auto than my own car) but I prefer the manual, there's no need to adapt or set the car up in any way it just does what I want in the moment. Certainly if I was driving in a lot of traffic I'd give them more consideration but when looking to spend a lot of money on a car to get something 'better', it's a definite downside for me to have an automatic.
 
I have had "auto's" since the 1980's - I would never go back to a manual - auto's are much more pleasant, and easier to drive: they allow you to keep both hands on the wheel and are one less distraction allowing you to concentrate of the road ........the road are getting busier and busier and I reckon the older you get the safer autos are, (just my feeling!!).

what's the point of a manual car these days for normal motoring?
 
I can drive an auto fine and had them a few times on hire cars (actually driven more miles this year in an auto than my own car) but I prefer the manual, there's no need to adapt or set the car up in any way it just does what I want in the moment. Certainly if I was driving in a lot of traffic I'd give them more consideration but when looking to spend a lot of money on a car to get something 'better', it's a definite downside for me to have an automatic.

"and as usual this one didn't seem to really know what I was wanting to do with it."


These seem like conflicting statements?
 
I have had "auto's" since the 1980's - I would never go back to a manual - auto's are much more pleasant, and easier to drive: they allow you to keep both hands on the wheel and are one less distraction allowing you to concentrate of the road ........the road are getting busier and busier and I reckon the older you get the safer autos are, (just my feeling!!).

what's the point of a manual car these days for normal motoring?

I feel similar. I don't mind manuals, but with the busier roads an auto makes sense. If I was going to be stuck in a lot of rush hour traffic I'd avoid a dual clutch though and stick to a torque convertor (or CVT type).
 
I find autos in regular driving mode can be slow to respond, especially dual clutch. I do find that you have to know how it works, otherwise it can catch you out and in particular for cars that don't have a lot of torque at low rpms.

In sport mode I find them far more responsive, especially if you have decent torque around the 2,500-3,000rpm range, otherwise it's kickdown time and usually a delay, although not any more than changing gear, unless it's a dual clutch and you are going against its prediction.

Can't beat EV for simplicity though.

I should probably revisit sport mode. The thing is, I can spin the wheels at lower speeds with a heavy foot, which suggests power is coming through, but it's especially precision in speed control that is missing.

The one thing I do like is fuel economy: 65mpg on the motorway and 55-60 round the countryside.
 
I should probably revisit sport mode. The thing is, I can spin the wheels at lower speeds with a heavy foot, which suggests power is coming through, but it's especially precision in speed control that is missing.

The one thing I do like is fuel economy: 65mpg on the motorway and 55-60 round the countryside.

Could also depend on your car, drivetrain, tyres etc. I've got max performance summer tyres and AWD, my tyres don't spin in the dry and only in the rain if I push it despite being a sub-5 second car.

Aye, it's nince sitting on the motorway at less than 2000rpm sipping the fuel! lol
 
cars and becoming like modern cameras - it's all in the menus, obvious and hidden....... but the older you get the less you want such stuff
 
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Could also depend on your car, drivetrain, tyres etc. I've got max performance summer tyres and AWD, my tyres don't spin in the dry and only in the rain if I push it despite being a sub-5 second car.

Aye, it's nince sitting on the motorway at less than 2000rpm sipping the fuel! lol
At motorway speeds-70ish -my Honda is in 4K rpm territory, :eek: but I suppose having a 9k rev limit is a bonus, it’s my toy, on car club weekends it can see 15mpg. Better than I used to do, must be getting old.
 
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