101 ways to ruin a roll of film

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Hope you put the phone back on mute before all the swearing started! ;)
I thought it would be fine. The swearing was in the kitchen later this evening...
 
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I've unwittingly used oxidised developer (gone off). One needs to look out for bottles which have concave sides, a sign of oxidisation.

I've also put fixer in first as others above have but only once when I was a schoolboy.
 

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Nothing new, but recently took a film holder off the back of the 5x4 without replacing the dark slide. Perfectly good frame of provia and £5 down the proverbial. :(
 
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Nothing new, but recently took a film holder off the back of the 5x4 without replacing the dark slide. Perfectly good frame of provia and £5 down the proverbial. :(
Ouch. :banghead: You'd have thought that somewhere along the timeline of LF cameras, someone would have come up with a simple way of attaching the darkslide to the back of the camera so that it would be really, really obvious that it wasn't fitted? :thinking:
 

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Nothing new, but recently took a film holder off the back of the 5x4 without replacing the dark slide. Perfectly good frame of provia and £5 down the proverbial. :(
You and me both stuffing a sheet of film although mine cost considerably less.
Only last week, removing dark slide with lens preview still open.

That was annoying but more so was that it was the last unexposed sheet that I had so the photo was one of those that got away :(
 

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Ouch. :banghead: You'd have thought that somewhere along the timeline of LF cameras, someone would have come up with a simple way of attaching the darkslide to the back of the camera so that it would be really, really obvious that it wasn't fitted? :thinking:
Actually peter that’s a darned good idea and has made me wonder why shutters haven’t incorporated a mechanism to ensure they cannot be cocked whilst the preview is open.
 
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Ouch. :banghead: You'd have thought that somewhere along the timeline of LF cameras, someone would have come up with a simple way of attaching the darkslide to the back of the camera so that it would be really, really obvious that it wasn't fitted? :thinking:
Maybe some sort of latch on the film holder that is only unlocked when the dark slide is re-inserted? I'm sure something like this must have been considered or implemented at some point but discounted for good reason.

I know little of LF cameras though, so excuse any ignorance. :)
 
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Actually peter that’s a darned good idea and has made me wonder why shutters haven’t incorporated a mechanism to ensure they cannot be cocked whilst the preview is open.
I think that's probably historical and unlikely to change after all these years, or maybe it's because they can be used on different cameras? I know that the Sinar DB shutter system is completely different, but that looks to be about the most radical differnce for LF lenses.

Maybe some sort of latch on the film holder that is only unlocked when the dark slide is re-inserted? I'm sure something like this must have been considered or implemented at some point but discounted for good reason.
All this would need to be is some kind of double ended peg to hold the darkslide, although in the old days there might have been an assitant to do these menial tasks while the artists did the visualisation. ;)
 
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Tbh that could very easily be added implemented by a small latch screwed to the rear standard ( well two, one for each orientation)that when in place would make it impossible to remove the film holder and be a ‘warning message ‘ to the tog.
Something along the lines of the metal L shaped catches on the film holders to avoid accidental removal of the dark slide.
 
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Tbh that could very easily be added implemented by a small latch screwed to the rear standard ( well two, one for each orientation)that when in place would make it impossible to remove the film holder and be a ‘warning message ‘ to the tog.
Something along the lines of the metal L shaped catches on the film holders to avoid accidental removal of the dark slide.
Possibly a challenge for @stevelmx5 on his next Chroma or plateholder designs? :thinking:
 
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Possibly a challenge for @stevelmx5 on his next Chroma or plateholder designs? :thinking:
Cheers for the idea. I'll put it on my future design list (y) I may or may not be sketching a dedicated 617 rear standard/film holder for the Adventurer. Although, with the latest announcements about schools closing from friday, I reckon my workshop time is going to be limited for a while with the kids at home!
 
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I may or may not be sketching a dedicated 617 rear standard/film holder for the Adventurer
Does it have to be dedicated purely to that camera .......Consider the potential additional sales if it could be made to work on most 5x4 cameras ;)

with the latest announcements about schools closing from friday, I reckon my workshop time is going to be limited for a while with the kids at home!
Your family comes first Steve (I'm sure that you don't need me to say that ;)).......Difficult times agreed but business, money and camera projects will still be there when we eventually come out of this global mess and we can rebuild all that.
Supporting each other , particularly those closest to us, has to be a priority imo
 
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Does it have to be dedicated purely to that camera .......Consider the potential additional sales if it could be made to work on most 5x4 cameras



Your family comes first Steve (I'm sure that you don't need me to say that ;)).......Difficult times agreed but business, money and camera projects will still be there when we eventually come out of this global mess and we can rebuild all that.
Supporting each other , particularly those closest to us, has to be a priority imo
Thanks Asha, much appreciated. My daughter particularly is going to find it hard as she has autism, so struggles with changes of routine. Her being out of school until the summer holidays (potentially) is going to be a serious challenge for us all!

With regards to the 617 body/back, there are already existing 617 holders from the likes of Shen Hao/Mr Alvanadi etc so I’m not sure I can add much (apart from price maybe) to what they already offer. My main reason for looking at a dedicated rear body is to allow wider lenses to be used, rather than the common limitation of the film plane having to move back 40-50mm on a standard 4x5 camera.
 

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I've opened the preview with the dark slide out, but haven't yet removed a holder without the slide in place. This would only be because I take out the darkslide, turn it round (so I don't forget) and reinsert it just enough to stay in place without covering the film. It then remains sticking out until I push it fully home after the exposure, and the fact that something is sticking out reminds me to complete the action.

I have once or twice managed to dislodge the sheet in the holder by my actions (probably not loaded correctly to start with) and had to remove the holder with the slide not fully home.

One other disaster I don't think I've mentioned occurred with Acros in a Quickload. Those who've used them know that there's a certain amount of tearing involved to detach the sheet from the rest of the gubbins. And if conditions are propitious, and if there's a vowel in the month and if you're in a hurry, you can produce static electricity. And unlike just the static you get from stroking a cat, it can produce a spark. Which means light.... Photoshop retouching fixed that one, but it's regretable as it was/is a good photo.
 
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I've opened the preview with the dark slide out, but haven't yet removed a holder without the slide in place. This only be would because I take out the darkslide, turn it round (so I don't forget) and reinsert it just enough to stay in place without covering the film. It then remains sticking out until I push it fully home after the exposure, and the fact that something is sticking out reminds me to complete the action.
That's what I usually do, mainly due to paranoia about light leaks through the slot, especially with 1-4 minute exposures in a 5x4 pinhole camera on a sunny day.

It strikes me that if I did want to remove the dark slide entirely, holding it in the same hand I'd use t remove the film holder, while using the other hand to press on the cable release, would result in a pretty fail-safe way to notice that the dark slide isn't back in - it would be in the hand and getting in the way.
 

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That's what I usually do, mainly due to paranoia about light leaks through the slot, especially with 1-4 minute exposures in a 5x4 pinhole camera on a sunny day.
Not a pinhole user, but that apart it's the thought of light leaks that's the reason for me as well.
 
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This is a long thread and I just jumped in. Didn't read it all, so I hope this hasn't already been covered.

Probably the easiest and most common way to ruin a roll of film for me was to shoot with flash beyond the sync speed of the focal-plane shutter. p***ed me off each and every time. You'd think I'd learn.
 

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I've opened the preview with the dark slide out, but haven't yet removed a holder without the slide in place. This would only be because I take out the darkslide, turn it round (so I don't forget) and reinsert it just enough to stay in place without covering the film. It then remains sticking out until I push it fully home after the exposure, and the fact that something is sticking out reminds me to complete the action.

I have once or twice managed to dislodge the sheet in the holder by my actions (probably not loaded correctly to start with) and had to remove the holder with the slide not fully home.

One other disaster I don't think I've mentioned occurred with Acros in a Quickload. Those who've used them know that there's a certain amount of tearing involved to detach the sheet from the rest of the gubbins. And if conditions are propitious, and if there's a vowel in the month and if you're in a hurry, you can produce static electricity. And unlike just the static you get from stroking a cat, it can produce a spark. Which means light.... Photoshop retouching fixed that one, but it's regretable as it was/is a good photo.
There is debate over how leaving the darkslide attached to the holder can exasperate camera shake with it being an ideal trap of any breeze, even slight.
That said, the reasons for leaving the darkslide in place mentioned concerning the avoidance of light entry have equal merit.
 
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