7D OVER EXPOSING

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Has anyone had any issues with a 7D overexposing, had plenty of problems with a 5 D MKII and Nikon D700, so is this just the norm or do i need to get it fixed.
Seems to be over exposing by 1.0 to 1.5

Thanks in advance.
 
You know now that you mention it mine does the same at times, just thought it was user error tbh as I've only noticed it shooting outdoors. Can't remember having the same probs with my 40d
 
That's interesting.

When I had one for a few days trial along with a Sigma 50-500mm OS I was noticing that it had a tendancy to overexpose. In the end I dialled in -1 compensation and used it like that for the rest of the time I had it.
 
Has anyone had any issues with a 7D overexposing, had plenty of problems with a 5 D MKII and Nikon D700, so is this just the norm or do i need to get it fixed.
Seems to be over exposing by 1.0 to 1.5

Thanks in advance.

Three cameras, two brands, all with problems? - sounds like user error to me. Please post a sample pic, unedited and with full EXIF intact and hopefully someone will be able to help you out. If you focused/recomposed, or used AE lock then please specify.

If your subject/scene is predominantly dark toned then you have your answer. You will need to use exposure compensation. If lighter toned things are also coming out overexposed then there is a bigger problem. A sample picture will help diagnosis.
 
Three cameras, two brands, all with problems? - sounds like user error to me. Please post a sample pic, unedited and with full EXIF intact and hopefully someone will be able to help you out. If you focused/recomposed, or used AE lock then please specify.

If your subject/scene is predominantly dark toned then you have your answer. You will need to use exposure compensation. If lighter toned things are also coming out overexposed then there is a bigger problem. A sample picture will help diagnosis.

Yep, spot on. Most people I know say their D700 underexposes by between 0.3 and 0.7 stop. So yours was overexposing? That's unusual, so it would be good to know what your shooting routine involves so we can get to the bottom of it.
 
That's interesting.

When I had one for a few days trial along with a Sigma 50-500mm OS I was noticing that it had a tendancy to overexpose. In the end I dialled in -1 compensation and used it like that for the rest of the time I had it.

yep i can achieve correct expo with a -1.0 to -1.5 keyed in.
 
Three cameras, two brands, all with problems? - sounds like user error to me. Please post a sample pic, unedited and with full EXIF intact and hopefully someone will be able to help you out. If you focused/recomposed, or used AE lock then please specify.

If your subject/scene is predominantly dark toned then you have your answer. You will need to use exposure compensation. If lighter toned things are also coming out overexposed then there is a bigger problem. A sample picture will help diagnosis.

Hmmm maybe, however i have re-set all options to default, used the camera with AV, P full auto and full manual, both auto and manual ISO with auto white balance.
I have focused on low lights and highlights, white and dark what ever i do the only way i can get a correct exposure is by keying in -1.0 to -1.5 exp comp.

If anyone can advise how to get an image on here with full exif i will, i normally used FLICKR this obviously comes with no exif info.
 
Yep, spot on. Most people I know say their D700 underexposes by between 0.3 and 0.7 stop. So yours was overexposing? That's unusual, so it would be good to know what your shooting routine involves so we can get to the bottom of it.

Thanks Ali, do you know how to post a pic on here complete with exif?
 
Tony,
I don't usually use Flickr, and I understand the layout has changed recently, so I can't tell you how to embed a Flickr image here, but I would think if you can upload an original, unedited, full size file there and then provide a link to the photo (or your photostream) we could take a look.

p.s. you say you've reset everythying, but what metering pattern are you using? When we see the EXIF we'll know, but if you are using spot or partial metering that might well explain some unexpected results.
 
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Take an image of a sheet of white paper with no exposure compensation dialled in, in flat even light and then see where it falls on the histogram.

As Canon calibrate their meters to 12% grey rather than 18% it should fall about a stop above mid point on the histogram.

If you take an image of an 18% grey card, it should be about a stop lighter than you expect!
 
Tony,
I don't usually use Flickr, and I understand the layout has changed recently, so I can't tell you how to embed a Flickr image here, but I would think if you can upload an original, unedited, full size file there and then provide a link to the photo (or your photostream) we could take a look.

p.s. you say you've reset everythying, but what metering pattern are you using? When we see the EXIF we'll know, but if you are using spot or partial metering that might well explain some unexpected results.

I use evaluative most of the time spot if doing close up, portrait type shots, but since getting the 7D it has remained on evaluative.
I use single point focusing and am aware that on a landscape type shot if i had a clear bright sky and dark shaded fields with trees below then i am giving the camera a hard task, so i would normally meter at what i think is a average of the conditions and might have to do a bit of work within lightroom.

I will post a thread asking how to get a photo on here with full exif as i think once on flickr it goes.
 
As Canon calibrate their meters to 12% grey rather than 18% it should fall about a stop above mid point on the histogram.

Ed, why would the peak be at +1 on the histogram? With EC at 0 should not the peak also appear at 0, regardless of whether the meter is set up for 12(.5)% reflectance or 18%? Surely zero is zero is zero. Zero ¬= +1.

I'd also advise using a metering method other than evaluative for that test. There is no point having artificial intelligence thinking it knows better. CWA or partial would, IMHO, be better metering choices.

Anyway, I just tried your test with my 7D and some white card and here is the result - histo right on the money.

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EDIT : similar story in LR3 as well, once I set the camera profile to Neutral....

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EDIT 2 : It is also worth showing that there is a solid 3 stops of headroom before clipping in LR3, which lends weight to my technique of spot metering highlights at +3 and your assertion (which I don't doubt) that Canon metering is calibrated at 12(.5)% reflectance.

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Ed, why would the peak be at +1 on the histogram? With EC at 0 should not the peak also appear at 0, regardless of whether the meter is set up for 12(.5)% reflectance or 18%? Surely zero is zero is zero. Zero ¬= +1.

I'd also advise using a metering method other than evaluative for that test. There is no point having artificial intelligence thinking it knows better. CWA or partial would, IMHO, be better metering choices.

Anyway, I just tried your test with my 7D and some white card and here is the result - histo right on the money.

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20100805_100641_.JPG



EDIT : similar story in LR3 as well, once I set the camera profile to Neutral....

20100805_101140_.JPG


EDIT 2 : It is also worth showing that there is a solid 3 stops of headroom before clipping in LR3, which lends weight to my technique of spot metering highlights at +3 and your assertion (which I don't doubt) that Canon metering is calibrated at 12(.5)% reflectance.

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Okay, blonde moment there, my excuse was that I was in a hurry as I typed as I had to go to the hospital.

What I meant to say, was that if you meter from an 18% grey card (or something with a similar tonal value) then as the meter is calibrated for only 12% grey you should see it about one stop overexposed.
 
Okay, blonde moment there, my excuse was that I was in a hurry as I typed as I had to go to the hospital.

What I meant to say, was that if you meter from an 18% grey card (or something with a similar tonal value) then as the meter is calibrated for only 12% grey you should see it about one stop overexposed.

Sorry, Ed, unless I'm also having a blond(e?) moment, if you meter from an 18% grey card (which reflects more light than a 12% grey card and is thus brighter) with a Canon, which is expecting a deeper tone from the card, surely you will end up underexposed as the brighter card will "fool" the meter into underexposing.
 
Sorry to hijack a Canon thread...

Yep, spot on. Most people I know say their D700 underexposes by between 0.3 and 0.7 stop. So yours was overexposing? That's unusual, so it would be good to know what your shooting routine involves so we can get to the bottom of it.

They over expose not under Ali.... I use -0.7ev as a permanent adjustment.
 
Sorry, Ed, unless I'm also having a blond(e?) moment, if you meter from an 18% grey card (which reflects more light than a 12% grey card and is thus brighter) with a Canon, which is expecting a deeper tone from the card, surely you will end up underexposed as the brighter card will "fool" the meter into underexposing.

I always think of blonde moments as being more appertaining to women. :naughty:

Yes, of course you are correct about the grey card and reflectance. I must be smoking something odd!
 
Tony, it might be worth taking a look at this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sWIqzcSs4s - and maybe checking out some other videos on metering and exposure compensation. Despite what you may wish, cameras can sometimes need a helping hand to get things right.

I've been searching further on the subject of 7D overexposure and came across this review, which I've not seen before - http://www.neocamera.com/review_canon_7d_more3.html. Here's a small quote from it....

Exposure is metered using one of 4 patterns. Spot and partial behave exactly as expected. Center-weighed is reasonable but is subject to the usual overexposure when the background is brighter than the center of the frame. This is the reason multi-segment metering was invented. Unfortunately, the Canon 7D's new metering is overly influenced by the point of focus. Most bright backgrounds become over-exposed in an effort to keep the subject bright. Typically, the Canon 7D overexposes by ½ EV but it too frequently does so by more, up to 3½ EV at times. It does not help that the LCD is overexposed by default but after closer inspection, this DSLR still burns highlights 5% of the time. This is higher than recently tested DSLRs other than the Nikon D60. A firmware fix could certainly fix this, but at the moment the evaluative metering system is not working out.

Now that seems to line up with the demonstration I performed and posted here - http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=2618734&postcount=21. One could make the argument that the camera is not exposing correctly, but that is the nature of autoexposure, especially with evaluative metering, if the meter zone identified as your subject, and neighbouring meter zones, as well as the scene overall, have an unusual imbalance of tones then problems are likely. i.e.....

- dark subject and light background = potential for trouble;
- light subject and dark background = potential for trouble;
- dark subject and dark background = potential for trouble;
- light subject and light background = potential for trouble;
- backlit subject = potential for trouble;
- extreme dynamic range = potential for trouble;
- mid tones throughout = reliable automatic exposure.

Now, often scenes will be easy enough for the camera to read and autoexposure will do a pretty fair job of delivering something you can use right away, but as soon as things begin to get tricky it is the photographer's duty to step in and take control if necessary. Fortunately, with image previews, highlight alerts and histograms, this ought to be a darn sight easier to do today than 10+ years ago.

To be honest I don't have a problem with the metering and exposure on any of my cameras. Why? because I don't leave it up to autoexposure to guess at what I need. I'm fed up with the scatty results produced by autoexposure and I'd rather just remove the camera's brain from the decision making process. I don't blame the camera for iffy results. I accept the practical limitations of these things. I almost always use spot metering and make my own decisions about where to place a tone within the dynamic range of the camera. I then set my exposure manually to lock it into place and avoid the irritation of having the exposure jiggle about as I adjust my composition. If there is a mistake in the exposure the mistake is mine and mine alone. I certainly wouldn't blame the camera, unless the metering was genuinely FUBAR.
 
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Sorry to hijack a Canon thread...



They over expose not under Ali.... I use -0.7ev as a permanent adjustment.

Agree - D700 has always been on the "hot" side. Anyone who used Nikon prior to the D300 / D700 (ie D70 or D200) would say the D700 is definately on the hot side vs. previous Nikon bodies.

I find a D700 is about 0.7EV over my Sony A900.
 
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