Am I allowed to :- Covid 19 related

Allowed or not allowed ?

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hashcake said:
This is thing I have not understood in recent weeks, although new cases seem to be less each day I've never been able to wrap my head around the idea of thousands of new cases if people are staying away from each other.
I'm wondering if the cause is the lack of hygiene where people don't take precauctions like sanitizing supermarket trollys etc.
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There are plenty of people not isolating. There are a sizeable number going to huge parties. There are staff and customers in supermarkets not wearing masks. You can catch this virus by windborn aerosol or by touching contaminated goods/surfaces. We went grocery shopping early this morning and saw two bus drivers not wearing masks. Fortunately the supermarket we went to was not crowded and all the staff and customers were wearing masks. However, we seemed to be he only ones who sanitised hands and trolley before shopping.
Thirty thousand deaths since 28th December, tells me that it was Christmas as usual for a lot of people. The problem is, that the reckless ones are passing on the virus to the careful ones.
 
Apparently the German traffic police put up signs saying "you are not stuck in traffic, you ARE the traffic"

It's the same with Covid, everyone is looking to blame someone else but of course the most likely source of transmission is your close family. One of the things that really wasn't understood until mass testing got going is the number of people who are asymptomatic, around 30% IIRC, so everyone thinks they are fine, goes and visits relatives, etc and then pass it on.

And to be fair a lot of people simply have no choice, multiple generations living in small cramped houses, sick and elderly who need caring for, people who have to go to work.
 
hashcake said:
Personally I think common sense should prevail.

My girlfriend lives 26 miles from me, she lives with her daughter and her boyfriend and they both recently tested negative for Covid-19.
Because of this and the fact that neither of us have been anywhere near another person means the risk (in theory) for both of us should be minimal.
She is staying with me for 2 weeks, I live alone and she is also my support bubble.
Yes we are breaking the law and yes we did the same last year but we've been very cafeful and very strict with things such as sanitizing supermarket trolley handles and our own hands before going in and we wash our hands as soon as we get home.
Last year we didn’t see each other for the first six weeks after lockdown.
I suffer from mental health issues and being on my own in isolation for a long period does not do me any good at all and I could possibly slip into a relapse.
Even after we released from lockdown last I didn’t do any photography because I didn’t like the idea of sitting in a hide for hours wearing a mask.

Me and my 2 dog walking friends have carried on walking together although we always keep at least 2 metres apart.
Last year a policeman even saw us and didn't say a word.
Those 2 women who got caught by the police and fined, it was ridiculous as both had kept well apart from each other.
So imho if you use your brain you should be fine but there is a chance you might get pulled over by the police if they see you.
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You are not breaking the law, she is allowed to visit you and stay, and you are allowed to visit her (and her household) and stay if you wish as you are single and living alone.

See her more often!
 
andya700 said:
There are plenty of people not isolating. There are a sizeable number going to huge parties. There are staff and customers in supermarkets not wearing masks. You can catch this virus by windborn aerosol or by touching contaminated goods/surfaces. We went grocery shopping early this morning and saw two bus drivers not wearing masks. Fortunately the supermarket we went to was not crowded and all the staff and customers were wearing masks. However, we seemed to be he only ones who sanitised hands and trolley before shopping.
Thirty thousand deaths since 28th December, tells me that it was Christmas as usual for a lot of people. The problem is, that the reckless ones are passing on the virus to the careful ones.
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I have to say here I've not noticed any customers or staff not using masks at the supermarket. Even the local idiots are abiding the law and using them at the local shop.
Can't say I've noticed any bus drivers without them either.
As for house parties, do you think people are still doing this with the hefty new fines?
I can probably answer that for myself as the human waste on planet are out of control.
 
Tigger.ufo said:
You are not breaking the law, she is allowed to visit you and stay, and you are allowed to visit her (and her household) and stay if you wish as you are single and living alone.

See her more often!
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I have to travel from Hampshire through Berkshire then into Oxfordshire to pick her up and I think we are supposed to stay within County boundaries?
 
sirch said:
Apparently the German traffic police put up signs saying "you are not stuck in traffic, you ARE the traffic"

It's the same with Covid, everyone is looking to blame someone else but of course the most likely source of transmission is your close family. One of the things that really wasn't understood until mass testing got going is the number of people who are asymptomatic, around 30% IIRC, so everyone thinks they are fine, goes and visits relatives, etc and then pass it on.

And to be fair a lot of people simply have no choice, multiple generations living in small cramped houses, sick and elderly who need caring for, people who have to go to work.
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I've tried hunting around for stats on families where more than one member of a family has contracted covid-19.
To me I would think make sense as it would help gauge the overall spread of the virus.
 
sirch said:
And to be fair a lot of people simply have no choice, multiple generations living in small cramped houses, sick and elderly who need caring for, people who have to go to work.
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This is the issue. People are told not to go out but businesses can still get people to come to work. Trades people still go around homes.

The reason Lockdown 3 isn't working as well as Lockdown 1 is because it's not as strict. Vast majority of people who cannot work from home still goes to work. Still have to face the chance of bringing the virus home to their loved ones.

I think they need to either do lockdown properly, zero exceptions. Or have a single blanket rule for both socialising and work.



Yes, I know, it's always easier to criticise.
 
wyx087 said:
This is the issue. People are told not to go out but businesses can still get people to come to work. Trades people still go around homes.

The reason Lockdown 3 isn't working as well as Lockdown 1 is because it's not as strict. Vast majority of people who cannot work from home still goes to work. Still have to face the chance of bringing the virus home to their loved ones.

I think they need to either do lockdown properly, zero exceptions. Or have a single blanket rule for both socialising and work.



Yes, I know, it's always easier to criticise.
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It is amazing how many people in my village are having home improvements or extentions done. I don't class that as "key work". We have never had a proper lockdown similar to South Asian countries, Australia or New Zealand. People are still going on holiday, non essential trips in and out of the country.
 
It's no wonder the virus spreads;

The manager & assistant manager at the shop where my daughter works (now closed due to lock down) both caught the virus (at different times) despite sticking to social distancing rules & wearing PPE at work. They caught it from their family members; one had a partner that worked in a care home, the other in a school. Fortunately they didn't infect anyone at work and after isolating for 10 days returned to work fully recovered.

Meanwhile I have been watching the builders at work on my neighbours property for the last 4 weeks, the three of them appear to be oblivious to the idea of social distancing or wearing any PPE, my neighbour is no better, chatting away to them for ages without any distancing or PPE either. His wife is not in good health & is housebound :rolleyes:
 
Tigger.ufo said:
I think that was a bit different @Donnie

At least 3 households met up for Christmas Day there, which was sheer stupidity with the underlying health issues.

Not the same as a support bubble which is treated as one household.
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Principle is the same though, meeting up with any other household and / or not knowing what you should or shoudn't do simply leads to more risk and exposure and sadly death.
 
There are still folk on here going out into the country, climbing mountains, etc just to get a picture, then they post it on here!
 
Not me sadly I just travel all over London Kent Essex ( Work )

but can't go 6.6 miles to the RSPB site
 
admirable said:
There are still folk on here going out into the country, climbing mountains, etc just to get a picture, then they post it on here!
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Some people do actually live in the countryside you know, even at the foot of mountains.
 
sirch said:
Some people do actually live in the countryside you know, even at the foot of mountains.
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And are probably finding it hard to move for visitors clearly not following the lockdown guidance, let alone the spirit of it!

To be honest, before lockdown I never realised how many ignorant, arrogant and selfish people we had in this country. Then, when it goes t*ts up for them, they try to blame the government or everyone else for their own negligence and irresponsibility, while clogging up the hospitals, which results in the delay or cancellation of cancer treatment or other such life-saving or life-changing procedures.

So next time you're feeling a bit sorry for yourselves because you can't go outside and do whatever you please, just thank your lucky stars that you're not in constant pain and can't get the hospital treatment you so desperately need. The lockdown rules are in place for a good reason, so let's try to support their spirit, not look for loopholes or push the boundaries. (y)
 
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Mr Badger said:
The lockdown rules are in place for a good reason, so let's try to support their spirit, not look for loopholes or push the boundaries. (y)
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YES!
 
F1.2 said:
Not me sadly I just travel all over London Kent Essex ( Work )

but can't go 6.6 miles to the RSPB site
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If you go to the car park I suggested down Coldharbour Lane next to the Tilda factory in Rainham, probably only a couple of miles from Dagenham, you could walk along the footpath beside the Thames towards Purfleet and I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't take you to the RSPB site.

I just checked, it does indeed lead to the RSPB site
 
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nilagin said:
If you go to the car park I suggested down Coldharbour Lane next to the Tilda factory in Rainham, probably only a couple of miles from Dagenham, you could walk along the footpath beside the Thames towards Purfleet and I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't take you to the RSPB site.

I just checked, it does indeed lead to the RSPB site
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That is 4.4 miles each way by car from my home making just under 9 miles driving in total , Local ?
 
F1.2 said:
That is 4.4 miles each way by car from my home making just under 9 miles driving in total , Local ?
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Boris went for a 7 mile bike ride. I don't see why not.
 
admirable said:
There are still folk on here going out into the country, climbing mountains, etc just to get a picture, then they post it on here!
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And the problem with going out into open spaces is what exactly?

There is no restriction on how far you can travel, I would argue going somewhere where there are fewer people to exercise is good. But just heading out to some of the better-known attractions, Snowdonia, etc is just plain stupid. Same as the thousands who headed to the beeches, last year.
 
munch said:
And the problem with going out into open spaces is what exactly?

There is no restriction on how far you can travel, I would argue going somewhere where there are fewer people to exercise is good. But just heading out to some of the better-known attractions, Snowdonia, etc is just plain stupid. Same as the thousands who headed to the beeches, last year.
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I never said there was any problem with going out into open spaces.
 
munch said:
And the problem with going out into open spaces is what exactly?

There is no restriction on how far you can travel, I would argue going somewhere where there are fewer people to exercise is good. But just heading out to some of the better-known attractions, Snowdonia, etc is just plain stupid. Same as the thousands who headed to the beeches, last year.
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LOCAL!!!
 
Tigger.ufo said:
LOCAL!!!
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Local is in the guidance, the law makes no reference to distance.
For local to be legal it would have to be defined.
Not saying people should be going all over the country. That would be unreasonable.
 
In Scotland you are to stay within your local Council area.
 
Sorry, I keep forgetting Scotland and Wale's laws are different regarding travel. I was referencing England
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
You are permitted to venture up to 5 miles from your local council area....
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My understanding was that was for essential shopping , medical services only . Can you give me the link for that ?
 
camerassassin said:
My understanding was that was for essential shopping , medical services only . Can you give me the link for that ?
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Coronavirus (COVID-19): stay at home guidance


  • local outdoor recreation, sport or exercise, walking, cycling, golf, or running that starts and finishes at the same place (which can be up to 5 miles from the boundary of your local authority area) as long as you abide by the rules on meeting other households
This was added to the guidance rules for those that live on or near the border of two councils.

ie: Those that live in Fife who wanted to walk round RSPB Loch Leven which is located in Kinross Council area but very close to the border with Fife or for the many people that walk from Fife across the east walkway on the Forth Bridge to Midlothian and return on the west walkway.
 
admirable said:
In Scotland you are to stay within your local Council area.
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Some places around here, that would mean not being able to walk or drive on the opposite side of the road. :)
 
Ricardodaforce said:
In Wales, your exercise starts and end at your front door. It should be like that across the whole of the U.K., ie no driving anywhere.
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If that was the case in England, then my wife and I would have starved to death, because it took us six months to get an online shop and we have no relatives or friends to get food for us. I wish people would be a bit more realistic.
 
andya700 said:
If that was the case in England, then my wife and I would have starved to death, because it took us six months to get an online shop and we have no relatives or friends to get food for us. I wish people would be a bit more realistic.
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I said exercise, driving to get your food is allowed.
 
munch said:
And the problem with going out into open spaces is what exactly?

There is no restriction on how far you can travel, I would argue going somewhere where there are fewer people to exercise is good. But just heading out to some of the better-known attractions, Snowdonia, etc is just plain stupid. Same as the thousands who headed to the beeches, last year.
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is that burnham beeches ,nr slough :exit: :exit:
 
Well last night I traveled 120 miles , met up with about 30 people from outside my bubble
Vauxhall in London then Gillingham in Kent , Naughty me , Oh hold on , That's OK as it's called work

Now at home looking out the window as I am not allowed out :(

Stay at home , Save lives , Protect the NHS
 
Ricardodaforce said:
In Wales, your exercise starts and end at your front door. It should be like that across the whole of the U.K., ie no driving anywhere.
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With the number of people i see walking or jogging through out the day, if everybody did that from their front doors, it is going to get fairly congested. Much better chance of social distancing if you can go to a remote place. Or better still a place that alot of other people wouldn't have access to.
 
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