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Byker28i said:
Ahem - Jimmy Saville is an obvious case. Friend to hospitals, police etc. Alleged to be a serial paedophile.
Last I saw he wasn't white and that went on for a significant amount of time.

Coverups etc are nothing to do with race.
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The best way I have read it in regards to Savile and Rotherham put it like this; 'The attackers had a cloak. Savile’s was fame. In Rotherham it was race.' It's no good trying to whitewash this, how do you deal with a problem if you don't even acknowledge it at a political, police, agency or Pakistani community level?

If a number of workers involved in dealing with child sex exploitation said one of the difficulties in dealing with it was the ethnicity of the perpetrators then how can you say it isn't to do with race?
 
Byker28i said:
Ahem - Jimmy Saville is an obvious case. Friend to hospitals, police etc. Alleged to be a serial paedophile.
Last I saw he wasn't white and that went on for a significant amount of time.

Coverups etc are nothing to do with race.
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Jimmy Savile wasn't white?
 
BruceMo said:
What a thread
Seems I'm a right wing nasty because I dislike women being treated as second class, I like the idea of female kids getting an education, I abhore shariah law, I don't care if you draw cartoons of religious or any other icons, I don't like the idea of public floggings and hanging and believe in free expression and beliefs that are not to the detriment of others
I also don't want to kill homosexuals or believers in other imaginary gods
Muslims come across to me as the most intolerant and violent people on earth, so in general I'm very suspicious of them
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Quite, I know a few, they have some odd views once you scratch beneath the surface of the good job and western dress code.

For instance one chap, about 25 lives the life of Riley, but his sister is forbidden by her family to go out at night (she's 21), she is forbidden to be with men unless parents/bother are present and they didn't want her to go to colledge, but he did. Needless to say, he does what he likes, when he likes. He's like a god in his own household.

Another Muslim female at work I know cannot go on work nights out for fear of her parents, cannot choose a partner outwith the Muslim community or someone who her parents would approve.

Another Muslim female was given the choice, and she told me this, of 3 suiters her family found. Very generous, I asked her what if she didn't want any of them but a chap say from work. She just said that would be impossible.

In Glasgow all post 2010.
 
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I think the double standards of male and female siblings can be aimed at any part of society or race.
I was more referring to the forced marriages, fgm or whatever nice name they give it, stoning so for adultery while the man throws too, no education vote or power to decide
It all just seems very horrible to me and I just can't fathom why people defend it so strongly, especially females.... I'm probably sexist too now
I don't believe they will take over, I just hope they see how unjust and unfair their interpretation of the good book is if we show them it can work in our society
 
BruceMo said:
I just hope they see how unjust and unfair their interpretation of the good book is if we show them it can work in our society
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Do you think they want to, when they cling hard to the customs of their homeland that aren't deemed acceptable here. Do you think when they make their females marry into their own, rather than mix with us they want to? Do you think given how passionate they are re Palestine etc that their hearts are not with Britain and her causes, but rather with that of where their people are descended.
 
I hope they do Steve, I really believe most want to absorb into our society more, but can understand them being fearful of losing their heritage too so keeping their customs and traditions is important to them
It's the radicals I fear and loathe in equal measure. I'm just not sure who's winning that battle in their communities, but what I see in the press and media worries me
I'm not sure what the answer is, but turning a blind eye doesn't seem to be an option
Too many play the race card when their actions are questioned. Let's play the humanity card and demonstrate horrible people, actions and intolerance will not be tolerated

Edited to add, I have great empathy for the Palestinians. Another horrible situation for which I have no answers but have every sympathy with the people caught in the middle of such a brutal conflict
 
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ST4 said:
...rather with that of where their people are descended.
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Same area that christian beliefs began, in fact as it is thought to be one of the first areas to see human habitation, agriculture, civilisation and religion, the area is probably the source for lots of peoples descendants.
 
BruceMo said:
I hope they do Steve, I really believe most want to absorb into our society more, but can understand them being fearful of losing their heritage too so keeping their customs and traditions is important to them
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Yes, and we tolerate those here. We allow Halal, Mosques etc.

However, to want to be a part of western life certain things they have brought with them need left behind (Burkhas, Schaperoning women etc). It's incompatible with our way of life.

I'm not so sure how they wish to absord, most of them (that I know) socialise and mix MAINLY within their own groups/family. Sure they make friends with us too, but predominately they keep to their own.

With other enthnic groups you really don't see this.



BruceMo said:
Too many play the race card when their actions are questioned. Let's play the humanity card and demonstrate horrible people, actions and intolerance will not be tolerated
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We do, but how much can we take?
 
I was hoping a female would explain their defence of it all as I really don't understand how we live in a world where we are constantly being told of sexual inequality on pay levels etc, yet the more crucial issues of female treatment in the Muslim world go unchecked
It fries my noodle :(
 
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I just can't figure the quote thing, but agree with SS, we have a large community of poles here who mainly keep to themselves which is understandable, just like the Irish, Scots etc who move and have ex pat communities
Personally, I admire those who come here or go somewhere and try to learn the language and local tradition. It's why they went there as you wouldn't go somewhere you hated would you?
My foreign language is usually just around terrible, but I try to learn as I enjoy meeting people in their locals and seeing what they are about
 
BruceMo said:
I just can't figure the quote thing, but agree with SS, we have a large community of poles here who mainly keep to themselves which is understandable, just like the Irish, Scots etc who move and have ex pat communities
Personally, I admire those who come here or go somewhere and try to learn the language and local tradition. It's why they went there as you wouldn't go somewhere you hated would you?
My foreign language is usually just around terrible, but I try to learn as I enjoy meeting people in their locals and seeing what they are about
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Yes but do these communities proactively dislike our customs and see us as infidels? I know quite a few Polish people and without exception they've made real friends here and intergrated a lot better with us, than the Muslims have.
 
boyfalldown said:
"I'm so looking forward to the Brits coming on Tour". Said no-one. Ever
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If you are referring to English football hooligans I couldn't agree more. But they don't go and live there, and tbh those that go on holiday and behave like louts have no business going to these countries and behaving like this. They should be banned from travelling.
 
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At least they don't complain about the customs of the local people and treat them badly when there

"I'm so looking forward to the Brits coming on Tour". Said no-one. Ever

You really believe that?
 
BruceMo said:
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At least they don't complain about the customs of the local people and treat them badly when there

"I'm so looking forward to the Brits coming on Tour". Said no-one. Ever

You really believe that?
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What Brits go to live abroad and complain about the presence of local customs.

Imagine going to Saudi and claiming its unfair they don't sell pork...it doesn't happen.
 
Haha, as I said, not Sussed out the quote yet
I meant do you really believe no one ever looked forward to the Brits coming?
Obviously someone has a low opinion of Brits, albeit sometimes warranted
 
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ST4 said:
If you are referring to English football hooligans I couldn't agree more. But they don't go and live there, and tbh those that go on holiday and behave like louts have no business going to these countries and behaving like this. They should be banned from travelling.
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The point I'm really making is that as a nationality theBrits are no better at integrating and viewed in the same way as you view other nationalities
 
boyfalldown said:
The point I'm really making is that as a nationality theBrits are no better at integrating and viewed in the same way as you view other nationalities
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It's mainly old monied people that move abroad.

However, with young one Brits that go to work abroad, they do fully intergrate. Look at how British people intergrate in US, Canada, Oz. They don't go around with their faces covered and not mixing, but often marry people from these places and build happy, successful lives there without fuss.

I should know, my Aunt moved to America in her 20's, not in her 60's she has 3 children from a US father, grand kids and had a career out there. A co-worker moved to Oz and is happily working there making friends with the people there rather than sniffing out other brits and keeping himself to within that group.
 
ST4 said:
It's mainly old monied people that move abroad.

However, with young one Brits that go to work abroad, they do fully intergrate. Look at how British people intergrate in US, Canada, Oz. They don't go around with their faces covered and not mixing, but often marry people from these places and build happy, successful lives there without fuss.

I should know, my Aunt moved to America in her 20's, not in her 60's she has 3 children from a US father, grand kids and had a career out there. A co-worker moved to Oz and is happily working there making friends with the people there rather than sniffing out other brits and keeping himself to within that group.
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now look at say Saudi, and say the same thing about itergration
 
boyfalldown said:
now look at say Saudi, and say the same thing about itergration
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More or less the same. We certainly don't complain about the lack of pork, beer etc there and work well when we are there. We don't try and push our customs on them or make them adjust to suit us. I'd say we do intergrate where the locals will allow us too.
 
ST4 said:
Yes but do these communities proactively dislike our customs and see us as infidels? I know quite a few Polish people and without exception they've made real friends here and intergrated a lot better with us, than the Muslims have.
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They don't as a whole steve, only a few peoplel do, same as Brits abroad do all go and get p***ed, drop litter and wear football shirts. Whole communities, as you put it, don't do that. All I've visited in the UK and around the world are welcoming

You still can't get away from lumping everyone together as a group based on actions of a few, no matter how many hundreds of posts have pointed that out to you in this mega thread.
 
neil_g said:
im getting more sense by talking to the wall next to me.
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boyfalldown said:
you're also getting some really odd looks from your co-workers. Infact one of them is just discussing calling you some help.
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Pity the water cooler isn't listening though.
 
ST4 said:
Exactly. Sanctimonious twits that should be put in the ring IMHO. What goes on in Spain/Latin America is a matter for these people, not us, even as residents we are guests there.
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There's plenty of Spaniards who dislike it too.
Shall they be forced out of their country?
 
viv1969 said:
There's plenty of Spaniards who dislike it too.
Shall they be forced out of their country?
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There are plenty who love it. Should they be deprived of something great because of the sanctimonious (IMHO few).

Anyway, it's a matter for the people of Spain and not a matter for us, even if we visit/go to live there.
 
BruceMo said:
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At least they don't complain about the customs of the local people and treat them badly when there

"I'm so looking forward to the Brits coming on Tour". Said no-one. Ever

You really believe that?
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Actually, the majority of time yes I do. Its not about low opinion of the brits, just pointing out not eveyone looks forward to sharing time and space wth us either.
 
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