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Is there any way forward for me with the type of photography I do?

No-one seems to want landscapes, flowers etc.

Is there only money to be made if I take up "people" shots, ie weddings and portraits etc.?

I seem to pick my camera up these days and think " what the hell am I bothering to go and take photos for.....I just put them on the forum and thats that".

Despondant of Essex. :shake:
 
If you want to make money out of it you want to be looking towards selling prints of your work, not sure what kind of market there would be though.

Quality of your work is very high, but it is a niche that alot of people may not be interested in, while others will look and say "Wow".

Dont get despondant over it though, would be a shame and waste if you were to turn your back on it after the shots you've posted - just keep chipping away at it(y)
 
I know people that make a living from photography selling images that are far inferior to yours :wacky: . I shall dig out all of my resources for selling at shows for you when I get a mo.
There are actually lots of photo shows all around the country that people make a living from but its just finding them thats a pain! Will let you know what I find out as I wouldn't mind doing something like this myself.
I felt the same a while ago - I really like abstract images, light play, etc (will post some if your interested) but the market is very select.
To keep you going, have you thought about getting in touch with all of your local flower shops/garden centres & visitor centres, etc to see if they'll sell your prints for you - they normally have no idea about commission charges though so be prepared to set this yourself. Cafe's are another way that I have marketed my work in the past - massive loads of people sitting & looking at your images all day can't be bad & your bound to get some takers & if you've got your images in enough places, more sales :) .
Will try & dig out some info for you when I get some time.
Don't give up Janice, you'll be fine (y) .
 
Thanks for your replies. I have tried garden centres, but to no avail. Also interior design shops, but even though they took a couple, they didnt sell.

I am booked to do a craft fair in November (just in time for Xmas!) and if that doesnt work I am going to just do it as a hobby.

The space at the fair costs £15, but I have had to buy insurance to do any fairs I wish during the year, and that cost £63 for a year.
Is £15 for A4 prints too steep? If I do some 6"X4" as well will that tend to make people buy those as they are cheaper and leave me with the bigger ones?


I guess I should at least stick with it until after next summer when I can put my stuff in more craft fairs as I am a member of the Guild of Essex Craftsmen.

OK you've persuaded me.............this time next year will be the turning point.

Thanks again.

Janice
 
Janice, put together a portfolio of you photo, no more than 15-20 I'd say. Arrange them by theme, i.e. flowers, abstract, landscapes and put them in your gallery. Then post up a request on here for people to peruse it and give you comments.

To be honest there are so many photos appearing in the sharing section that personally I don't have any feel for what yours are like, good or bad.

There are honest enough people on here that will give you some feedback so that you can make an informed decision as to whether to pursue the selling side of things.

I hope you see where I'm coming from on this. :)
 
SammyC said:
Janice, put together a portfolio of you photo, no more than 15-20 I'd say. Arrange them by theme, i.e. flowers, abstract, landscapes and put them in your gallery. Then post up a request on here for people to peruse it and give you comments.

To be honest there are so many photos appearing in the sharing section that personally I don't have any feel for what yours are like, good or bad.

There are honest enough people on here that will give you some feedback so that you can make an informed decision as to whether to pursue the selling side of things.

I hope you see where I'm coming from on this. :)

The portfolio sounds like good advice to me.

I would also make sure you have a really upto date website with the web address as a watermark on your pictures. It is amazing how much stuff sells via word of mouth.

Bob
 
Janice, have you tried,
Gardening magazines.
How about trying the flower shops for their leaflets and flyers.
Wildlife magazines.
BBC wildlife magazine.
BBC country file progamme/magazine.
on-line gardening/wildlife/country web sites.

Sorry can't think of any other ideas, I hope the above helps
(y) (y)
 
Thank you all, youve been great.

I do have my own website but for some reason even though I have updated it in my profile it is still showing the address of the old site which no longer exists.

The new site is: www.janicehobbs.com if you are interested.
 
Thats what I think, Joe. then I think if I price lower I will sell MORE and will make it up that way. Another conundrum for my over-taxed brain! :D
 
Janice said:
Thank you all, youve been great.

I do have my own website but for some reason even though I have updated it in my profile it is still showing the address of the old site which no longer exists.

The new site is: www.janicehobbs.com if you are interested.

Ok Janice, I think I see a basic problem with your portfolio if you don't mind me pointing it out. Basically there seems to be a large difference between your best work (which is brilliant) and some of the other stuff (which is not so hot). Trouble is they're all in there and all mixed up.

For example, in the flowers section:

Quite stunning

A bit drab

There also a bit of an inconsistency in the processing, so it just looks a bit unprofessional.

My recommendation would be to cut each section down to the best 20 (there's 56 under plants), and reprocess them if you have the time/patience so that they all have the same brightness and colour. The JAlbum template could do with a bit of tweaking here and there but you can get plenty of advice from people on here how to do that (I even use the same template!).

Please don't take this as putting you down, I think you have a real eye for capturing your subjects I just feel you are letting yourself down with the presentation. It is a very simple fix that will make all the difference.

HTH,
Sam. :)
 
Thanks Sammy. I will spend some time on the site over the weekend.

I just keep adding them and forget to look back and weed out the ones that I took before improving!

The thing is,.....even when Ive done that...... what's going to help me sell photos from there? I guess I should get some new cards done and leave them wherever I go!! At the moment it says "Nature & WIldlife Photographs" on my card.

Perhaps I ought to say Photographer, and then say nature, landscape, portraits, pet portraits etc. Im sure you make more sales by people coming to you to get you to take something for them, than them just looking through what you've already done.

Ive purchased a Sigma SG 500 Super flashgun today....so perhaps I can branch out in other ways.
We are so hard-up that I feel all the camera equipment should be earning its keep, I feel embarrassed about all the money tied up in it with nothing to show. A simple hobby is a bit of a luxury.

thanks again to everyone for your ideas and help.

janice
 
I wouldnt put specific types of photography on your card Janice ! you never know what someone may approach you for ! It may be something you havent done before, but do you really want to limit yourself ? At least it would get you approaches ! And with your eye for a picture the subject shouldnt matter ! :)

HTH
 
I know it night not be the way you want to go at the moment, but would you get any joy from car-boots? i.e if there is a market you might be able to price low but sell lots just to tide you over for a bit of income. Or do you know anyone with a market stall where you can have your pics on show etc. and just pay them a percentage from the sale?
 
Do you have any galleries in you area who showcase local artists (photographers).
 
Firstly (and a question I have been asking myself too)...what's wrong with just doing it for a hobby?

It brings you pleasure and it brings us lot pleasure looking at your images.

I've been brainstorming how I can make some lens money out of this expensive hobby, wifey assures me the 1DMKIIN is the last piece of kit she'll be co-funding for some time to come and I've got my eye on 3 particular pieces of L glass.

I've been gathering valuable information that Gary Bagshawe and others have posted recently and have a favourites folder set up with picture desk contact details and stock photography sites.
I also bought a book called 'How to make money from photography in every conceivable way' which offered good advice on how to get into areas like stock sites and calendars/postcards.

The one strong piece of advice that shone through the book was not to try and be too different and unique...study what they are accepting already and mimic it ie: more of the same.

You could either change direction on subject matter (why should you though?) or research the specialist magazine/calendar/postcard market.

Glen said:
I know it night not be the way you want to go at the moment, but would you get any joy from car-boots?
This is one of the options I am considering too so I can still enjoy landscape photography.
I planned to build collections of local areas and sell them in those areas, already framed.
I know I wouldn't want to go to the hassle of buying a print then have to go and hunt a frame to fit it.
 
Bachs said:
This is one of the options I am considering too so I can still enjoy landscape photography.
I planned to build collections of local areas and sell them in those areas, already framed.
I know I wouldn't want to go to the hassle of buying a print then have to go and hunt a frame to fit it.
At our local Farmers Market there's a guy does exactly that, does pretty well in the summer time especially with tourists. Also fairly busy in the run up to christmas.
 
Some great ideas there. I did have a try at a boot fair......lots of nice comments "you should be very proud of yourself" and suchlike.......but no sales!
 
Janice said:
Is there any way forward for me with the type of photography I do?

No-one seems to want landscapes, flowers etc.

Is there only money to be made if I take up "people" shots, ie weddings and portraits etc.?

Of course not, but few jobs offer the susbstantial profit that weddings do for the relatively short time invested.

If you really want to make money from photography, then forget specialising in any particular area initially, including flowers or landscapes. Of course retain those passions as your special interest, but you have to become known as a photographer locally, and one who can and will tackle anything. I ran a web site for my weddings and photo restoration stuff, but it brought in very little work compared to word of mouth and getting known in the community. Once you're known and recommended it's surprising how the work can start to pour in.

Stuff you should certainly be doing if you want to make money...

1 Weddings.
2 Christenings etc. I actually did one funeral. No kidding, there's a demand.

3 Portraits including pet prtraits. If you don't have the studio kit for this you can do an excellent job out of doors in most back gardens with fill flash.

4. School photographs. Not easy to break into this, but you have to get along there and ask. BIG money to be made there, but don't forget the school sec will be putting it throught he books. ;)

5. Theatre restaurants and anywhere where people gather together for a night out and might like a shot of the occasion.

6. Kids parties and christmas parties.

7. Any sort of specialised sports or recreational meet where people would love a well taken shot or two.

8. Florists. I had an arrangement with a couple of florists. They often get asked for unusual wreaths in the shape of guitars, yadda yadaa, which involve a lot of work, so they like to have an example shot to show people who enquire about them.

9. Pub menus, rest home brochures, you name it.

I've done all of the above, and other stuff I'm struggling to recall, but if you're serious, then if it involves a camera and making money... just 'kin do it! ;)

Finally don't forget the editing skills you're acquiring. Everyone has dog eared old photos which are slowly disintegrating and which can now mostly be rescued with Photoshop et al. It's tedious and labour intensive work, but there's money to be made there too. The people who the best labs employ have had very basic training in the work, are paid an hourly rate, and are often limited in what they can really tackle. I've done lots of work which labs have turned away.
I seem to pick my camera up these days and think " what the hell am I bothering to go and take photos for.....I just put them on the forum and thats that".

Despondant of Essex. :shake:

" Dear Despondent of Essex" :LOL:

Actually this is quite interesting. Money apart, if we weren't sharing our pics with someone... no-one was looking at them, what would be the point in taking them? :shrug:

The whole point of this forum is that you're showing the shots to a critical jury of your peers, so if you ask for a critique, then be prepared to listen to the not so welcome bits too. Often we can't see the wood for the trees when we look at our own work. The minute you start asking for money for your stuff, the client will have absolutely no qualms in telling you what's wrong with it! ;)

The short answer is get off your bum Janice and put yourself about, you're more than capable of doing it, but never lose sight of the fact that no matter how much money you make out of photography, the shots you'll treasure are the ones you can take when you slide away to take the ones where you only have to please yourself. :)
 
There's a lot to be said for getting your work up in café's - actual sales aside, if you have a card on the premises, having your work up can net you further commisions & jobs.

If you start to work with a small chain of coffee shops, you can really get the ball rolling. My cousin paints, and he lives almost exclusively from painting sales & commisions, which he obtains through coffee shops. It's a mutually beneficial agreement - the shops get free work on their walls, which sells regularly, and therefore means that their shops have constantly changing artwork, to boot. It keeps the shops feeling fresh.
 
You've all been BRILLIANT with your suggestions.

I have lots and lots in mind now. I feel full of optimism and I am ready to go for it.....THANK YOU ALL! :clap: :clap: (y) :love:
 
Good for you Janice ... keep your feet planted and head screwed on ... you do good stuff and just need to explore what sells and then get into it ... may not be the photography you want to do though ... and it will probably need patience too ... :D
 
Venomator said:
... and it will probably need patience too ... :D


What are you implying, O Green One? Grrrrr :razz: LOL :D :D
 
on the same theme as the pet shows have a look about and see if there's any dog agility clubs on the go. I just picked up a job to do one of them shortly :) Should be a bit more interesting than simple portraits too.
 
Ive followed this thread with interest and should I get to a stage where I feel a degree of competence in my abilities with the camera, Im sure Ill come back to it!
Good luck Janice, be interested to hear if you persue any of the above suggestions.
 
InaGlo said:
Ive followed this thread with interest and should I get to a stage where I feel a degree of competence in my abilities with the camera, Im sure Ill come back to it!
You're more than competent now. Yesterday made me realise it's very little to do with raw ability, it's having the bottle to go do it :) Not saying you don't but you know what I mean :)
 
InaGlo said:
Ive followed this thread with interest and should I get to a stage where I feel a degree of competence in my abilities with the camera, Im sure Ill come back to it!
Good luck Janice, be interested to hear if you persue any of the above suggestions.

Ummm, didnt you just get something published?!! :wave:
 
Janice said:
Some great ideas there. I did have a try at a boot fair......lots of nice comments "you should be very proud of yourself" and suchlike.......but no sales!

Were the photo's simply prints or did you mount them. Most people are lazy and would be more likely to buy a mounted photo than just a piece of paper that could get damaged before they got home. It isn;t necessary to actually frame them but it could be an option you could offer at an increased cost of course.

Another thing to consider is to crop images to the standard photo sizes - 10 x 8 & 6 x 4. Although A4 is close to 10 x 8 it means that a standard frame would not work with the image.

As for £15 for an A4 print - I once paid £46 for a limited edition B & W photo of a waterfall. The worth of a photo is the customers perception of that photo. This particular photo was as good as any I've seen by the Big Name photographers. Great composition with great tone and contrast made it worth the selling price.

Consider making 'Limited Edition' prints. People will pay more for something that may be one of only 20 rather that for something hundreds of people could buy.
 
If you start to work with a small chain of coffee shops, you can really get the ball rolling. My cousin paints, and he lives almost exclusively from painting sales & commisions, which he obtains through coffee shops. It's a mutually beneficial agreement - the shops get free work on their walls, which sells regularly, and therefore means that their shops have constantly changing artwork, to boot. It keeps the shops feeling fresh.[/QUOTE]


Agree with this comment. In my area there are more and more little coffee shops opening up who all seem to be selling local art work as well.

Also consider some of your local pub chains who may want local shots of the area.
 
Janice said:
Thanks for that. I can buy A4 frames as easy as pie! It means I can print at home. They look cracking. I sometimes have the photo a bit smaller and run a photoshop action to look like a mount.

By the way guys, these girls' mum paid me £10 each for these!

www.janicehobbs.com/Amelia1.jpg

www.janicehobbs.com/Daniella1.jpg

What size did you sell them for... You don't want to get into the habit of undercharging!

Even if it is for a friend, word of mouth is highly important - if your friend tells another friend about you, who would also be interested in getting work done // buying prints, you don't want to be labeled as dirt cheap!

Well done though :)
 
Another outlet for your landscape stuff could be Youth Hostels. I use them quite a bit and there is a wide variety of people using them who IMHO would appreciate your work.
 
Your work is excellent Janice so don't get despondent. I'm thinking of doing a few local fairs next year and had already thought along the same lines as many of the suggestions here. Obviously I'll give it a bit more thought but so far I have come up with this:
  • Local area prints mounted but not framed, probably in 10x8 and around £12 each or three for £30 (pricing isn't set in stone yet). I think a lot of buyers at these type of fairs buy on impulse and if you set your prices too high it might put them off. I'll probably do a run of twenty prints of each image and if they do sell out have an order book ready!
  • Limited edition/fine art prints, have a small run of these in a larger size with the mount numbered and signed, not sure about prices yet.
  • Hopefully I'll have some of my best examples framed and either hanging or on an easel (always looks good). I want to ensure I have examples of everything I intend to offer - weddings, protraits, landscapes, sports etc
  • Promotional material - flyers, business cards etc with your name plastered everywhere so prospective customers remember it.

Just my thoughts on how I will probably approach it, it might not make you much money on the day but it could lead to further lucrative work.

Remember, it's better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all.
 
Hacker said:
Local area prints mounted but not framed, probably in 10x8
I really like this idea Colin!
I went to a fair recently & saw someone selling beautiful pictures in the most hideous thick gold frames, his prices were quite high and I pressumed it to be partly due to those dreadful frames!
Not everyone will share your taste, so I think a simple mount is enough to actually 'frame' & give the picture a finished look so to speak. Also theres then the added bonus of not having to lug all that heavy stuff back & fourth ....and of course the customer can then choose their own hideous frame! :LOL:
 
InaGlo said:
the customer can then choose their own hideous frame! :LOL:
LOL :D

It's such a personal choice that I think its best left to the individual.

(also, I am the worlds worst at breaking and scratching the frames!)
 
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