There's a thread here https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/1dx2-vs-5dsr.678145/#post-8168316 where the 5DSR is discussed. Give you something to do while waiting a replyHello all .... bit of a newbie so hope this hadn’t been done already .....
As title really .... been hanging my nose over one of these for a while. Does anyone have one, or have any opinions or experiences to share? Thanks all.
I've got one and ir's excellent at what it does but don't imagine it being a great allrounder because it isn't. If you're into landscapes or studio portraits then it's in its element but you should only consider it if you're happy to limit yourself to iso100-400...anything above that and there are better options. Also bear in mind that it needs top notch lenses to get the advantage of the high reolution.
Bob
In terms of bodies then the Pentax sensor is superior (it's 1.25x larger.....55mm against 44mm diagonal). The downside to the Pentax is the lens availability. The newer DA/D-FA lenses are superb (and obscenely expensive) but the sensor is limited by some of the older 'legacy' lenses (legacy although still in production). IMO, the 5DSR does wide and long better than the Pentax but the middle of the focal length range is the 645Z's forte. Whichever one you take out for the day is inevitably the wrong one.Bob, maybe you can answer this question, since I think you have both a 5DSR and Pentax 645? When you're able to max out image quality on both systems, how would 30in prints compare under close scrutiny? It's not something I've been able to do side by side, but from what I've seen there's very little in it given that digital medium-format is only 1.2x (crop factor*) larger than full-frame. And as an all-rounder, the 5DSR would win hands-down.
Agree, but while there are some better all-rounders available now, compared to full-frame DSLRs of only a couple of generations ago the 5DSR can more than hold its own
Bob, maybe you can answer this question, since I think you have both a 5DSR and Pentax 645? When you're able to max out image quality on both systems, how would 30in prints compare under close scrutiny? It's not something I've been able to do side by side, but from what I've seen there's very little in it given that digital medium-format is only 1.2x (crop factor*) larger than full-frame. And as an all-rounder, the 5DSR would win hands-down.
There's another consideration though, when working professionally with equestrian - ie, well-heeled clients. A medium-format camera simply looks the part (and nothing like the owner's regular DSLR) so is often the favoured weapon One guy on here uses a Hasselblad X1D, particularly because it's leaf-shuttered lenses offer a big advantage with flash - potentially a killer combo.
*equates to around 70% larger total image area, or roughly 50% bigger when cropped to 3x2 aspect ratio.
I've got one and ir's excellent at what it does but don't imagine it being a great allrounder because it isn't. If you're into landscapes or studio portraits then it's in its element but you should only consider it if you're happy to limit yourself to iso100-400...anything above that and there are better options. Also bear in mind that it needs top notch lenses to get the advantage of the high reolution.
Bob
Perhaps have a look at the 5D iv and see what you think. By the sounds of things it's probably got better low light performance... and perhaps dynamic exposure range too? Also, in most photographs, will people really notice any difference in the number of MP between a 5d IV and a 5DS R? This is just a suggestion as this is what I'd be asking myself if I were in the market to change to one of these two cameras, so do some careful research and choose wisely before taking the plunge.
You haven't mentioned which lenses you'll be using other than to say that you already have "a range of canon lenses, both primes and zooms". I just want to make you aware that potential print size is based on the system resolution (body and lens) and not simply down to the sensor's resolution. I doubt that there is a zoom lens that can get near the 50Mp of the 5DSR and very few primes likewise. If you're likely to need anything above iso400 then you're going backwatds with the usable resolution (for printing purposes) and will very quickly pass the 5DMkIV going the other way. The maths are much more complicated but it really does need some research and analysis to determine which option would give you the biggest print size potential.
Bob
Not more bling, it was answering a request for a body without an anti-aliasing filter. Something has to lead the technology and for years we had lenses that could out-resolve sensors and now we have a sensor that can out-resolve the lenses. It's worth remembering that it's not only Canon who make lenses to fit this body. Carl Zeiss' Otis lenses offer incredible resolution (and so they should at their price).......However, your comments beg a question. If there are few bits of Canon glass - whether zoom or prime - which are up to the sensor performance of the 5DSR, then why bother making it (the camera) in the first place? Are Canon simply providing yet more "bling" or are they planning to upgrade their lens range to match at some point.
Not knowing your style makes it difficult to offer suggestions. A 70-200/2.8 IS MkII will do the job but I'm sure that the final result will be indistinguishable from that shot with the 5DMkIII. A 300/2.8 MkII or 200/2 shooting at f/5.6 will probably make use of some of the increase in resolution (if it is indeed needed). I bought mine to make better use of some Carl Zeiss lenses that I own...but that only feeds the nerd in me, the 22Mp of the 1DxMkII is the better option for most of the things I shoot.If I buy this thing, which lens would you use for my application? (If I don't have it, I can always trade some of my old stuff to get it at some point). I currently use either a 24-105 zoom, or a 85mm prime, or a 16-35 for the architectural and landscape stuff.
Not more bling, it was answering a request for a body without an anti-aliasing filter. Something has to lead the technology and for years we had lenses that could out-resolve sensors and now we have a sensor that can out-resolve the lenses. It's worth remembering that it's not only Canon who make lenses to fit this body. Carl Zeiss' Otis lenses offer incredible resolution (and so they should at their price).
Bob
That model holds up to the point where the lens' resolution reaches its limit (before it achives the sensor's resolution......(simply put_Ok ... so, put simply - camera + sensor = level of detail rendered in the final image. Therefore is it a reasonable to conclude that, if we have hitherto had lenses which outperformed the sensors, those lenses were, in effect, being held back by the sensor. We now have a sensor which can outperform the lenses, so whichever bit of glass one screws onto the front of said sensor will be provided with the scope and facility to perform at its absolute best, and thus be able to offer better detail rendition with the 5DSR sensor than they would with a smaller one. So, decent lens x + 5DIII = decent image: whereas - decent lens x + 5DSR = better than decent image (all other things being equal). Or am overthinking that?
In any case, i've now looked up the Zeiss lenses and have a nasty dose of lens lust on top of my camera lust, which isn't good!!! My poor piggy bank ....... (goes off to look up mortgage rates .............. )
Ok ... so, put simply - camera + sensor = level of detail rendered in the final image... <snip>
Just to put your mind at rest, Canon actually have a list of lenses they recommend people use to get the best out of their 5DS R. I'm sure you will find this if you do an internet search or tour the Canon website for the 5DS R and look for the link to the lens list. I would think that the 5D iv would also benefit from the use of those lenses, but your piggy bank may squeal wee wee wee all the way home as a result! Sadly, my piggy bank died of malnutrition shortly after I bought my 6D and a couple of L lenses and feeding my long-established habit of collecting and using old film cameras. So do leave a bit of podge on the poor little chap, you only miss what you've got when it's gone!
Not for the Nikon D800, as far as I'm aware! Yes, they've done a list for the 5DS & 5DS R, that's why I mentioned it in the post you quoted... try to keep up at the back there, Richard. Don't worry, I've had a long day too.Nikon certainly produced a list of recommended lenses after the D800 launch, and it was quite extensive with some 15-odd lenses IIRC. Have Canon ever done one?
Not for the Nikon D800, as far as I'm aware! Yes, they've done a list for the 5DS R, that's why I mentioned it in the post you quoted... try to keep up at the back there, Richard. Don't worry, I've had a long day too.
Just my 2 pence worth, would it be a good idea to hire the camera first (if anyone does hire it out), then see if it will do all you want. If would be a large investment to find out that it's not really all you hoped for.
It's not unfortunate Richard, he rather likes it here.......unfortunately our Canon Bob is in France......
Nikon D800/810/850 list is on the bottom of this page, and it's even more extensive than I recalled http://www.dslrbodies.com/accessories/camera-accessories/nikon-d800-accessories/d800-lens-sets.html
And yes, there is also a list from Canon for the 5DSR, including 36 lenses with this quote from SLR Lounge: It would seem... that the general worry about lenses resolving on newer high-resolution sensors is mostly misplaced. Though TBH, I wouldn't put some of those lenses on a 5DSR and expect too much at extremes of the aperture range https://www.slrlounge.com/canon-announces-new-list-of-recommended-lenses-for-new-5ds/