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I have this set of kit currently.
Nikon D90, Tokina 12-24mm, Nikon 18-70mm and Nikon 35mm F2 + SB600

And want to change to
Canon 5D + Canon 24-105mm F4 L + 430EXII?

Will the quality of the picture change that much?

Thanks

kevin
 
The pictures will certainly change.
* You're giving up the ultra-wide-angle end of the range.
* You're giving up the fast prime.
* You're getting IS in your walkaround lens.

Bottom line, you won't be able to take all the pictures you used to, but you may be able to take some different ones. Will they be better? It depends on you (and how you shoot), not necessarily the gear. For example if you habitually shoot at f/8 then the L series 24-105 lens won't offer much extra quality compared to the consumer-grade 18-70 you have, but wide open it will.
 
StewartR said:
The pictures will certainly change.
* You're giving up the ultra-wide-angle end of the range.
* You're giving up the fast prime.
* You're getting IS in your walkaround lens.

Bottom line, you won't be able to take all the pictures you used to, but you may be able to take some different ones. Will they be better? It depends on you (and how you shoot), not necessarily the gear. For example if you habitually shoot at f/8 then the L series 24-105 lens won't offer much extra quality compared to the consumer-grade 18-70 you have, but wide open it will.
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That's why I am still thinking about it.
As 24-105 lens I will use it wide open mostly.
But if i use it for landscape shots then will use like F8 or more.....
 
kevin612 said:
But if i use it for landscape shots then will use like F8 or more.....
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An important point - almost any lens will be good at f/8 so for landscape while IS or f/2.8 or f/4 lenses might be nice, you really won't "need" this for tripod based stopped down work.

I'd bet good money a D90 + 18-70 DX will provide better edge and corner sharpness than an 24-105 IS on a 5D actually for landscape work....
 
puddleduck said:
An important point - almost any lens will be good at f/8 so for landscape while IS or f/2.8 or f/4 lenses might be nice, you really won't "need" this for tripod based stopped down work.

I'd bet good money a D90 + 18-70 DX will provide better edge and corner sharpness than an 24-105 IS on a 5D actually for landscape work....
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the 18-70 is good in landscape.
how about portraits?
cause i use it for both landscape and portraits
 
You could add the Nikkor 28-105mm, which is a stop slower than the 24-105 at the long end, but you can use flash when required.

Edit: no, it's f/4.5 at the long end.
 
photon said:
You could add the Nikkor 28-105mm, which is a stop slower than the 24-105 at the long end, but you can use flash when required.
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Could do.
But I rather don't use the flash.
As I don't use it as much
 
You could sell the flash, throw £50 - £100+ in the pot, and get a Nikkor f/1.8 85mm or the big ol' Tamron f/2.8 28-105mm.
 
photon said:
You could add the Nikkor 28-105mm, which is a stop slower than the 24-105 at the long end, but you can use flash when required.

Edit: no, it's f/4.5 at the long end.
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The Nikkor 28-105mm is superb, its faster than the Canon on the short end, f/4.5 on the long, so it kinda averages f/4.

Its a super bargain for its £150 odd going rate. OK, it lacks IS and 4mm but optically you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart.
 
puddleduck said:
The Nikkor 28-105mm is superb, its faster than the Canon on the short end, f/4.5 on the long, so it kinda averages f/4.

Its a super bargain for its £150 odd going rate. OK, it lacks IS and 4mm but optically you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart.
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Search for it now..=)
But do you think I should sell the flash and get a 85mm F1.8?
I seldom use my flash.
I use it when i use 18-70mm in restaurants or at home when low light conditions.
And don't want to get shaky shots

And I want to get a lens to practice portraits shots...

I was tempting to change the full frame as the Depth of Field and quality of pictures are much better then crops...
but D700 is too expensive.
So I thought of Canon 5D second hand
 
can't advise on either, I never use flash, and I don't need lenses such as the 85mm f/1.8!
 
kevin612 said:
Search for it now..=)
But do you think I should sell the flash and get a 85mm F1.8?
I seldom use my flash.
I use it when i use 18-70mm in restaurants or at home when low light conditions.
And don't want to get shaky shots

And I want to get a lens to practice portraits shots...

I was tempting to change the full frame as the Depth of Field and quality of pictures are much better then crops...
but D700 is too expensive.
So I thought of Canon 5D second hand
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I would hazard an educated guess that the D90 is a better low-light performer than the 5D. I would stick with 'faster' lenses on the D90 and see how you get on.
 
How about getting a Nikon Fit F2.8 lens for portraits?
Will it be as good as primes?
 
kevin612 said:
How about getting a Nikon Fit F2.8 lens for portraits?
Will it be as good as primes?
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On a cropped sensor camera, I would look at the Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 lens.

Other considerations would be; Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 (you would really need an UWA lens as I think 28mm is not wide enough on a cropped sensor) - I can also recommend a Sigma 50-150mm f/2.8....a good focal range for portaits.
 
puddleduck said:
Excellent lenses these are - if you've not used one before, you'll love it.

So under-rated.
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I've read good things about it. :)

I picked it up mainly for taking to the WHF day (so the wife won't have to moan about changing lenses :bonk:).
 
Evaluate your use of the 18-70mm and decide the focal lengths that interest you.

There's the old Sigma "Super Wide" f/2.8 24mm that you might find suitable for both small groups and landscapes, available as both auto and manual focus.

In the current Sigma range are fast f/1.8 lenses of 20, 24 and 28mm, and the f/1.4 30mm.

Getting into portrait territory, some prefer 50mm on a cropped sensor body, and an f/1.4 will be cheaper than an f/1.8 85mm, and focus closer (for shots across a table).

For shots across a restaurant: 85mm, especially if you can move; or the Sigma f/2.8 50-150mm.
 
photon said:
Evaluate your use of the 18-70mm and decide the focal lengths that interest you.

There's the old Sigma "Super Wide" f/2.8 24mm that you might find suitable for both small groups and landscapes, available as both auto and manual focus.

In the current Sigma range are fast f/1.8 lenses of 20, 24 and 28mm, and the f/1.4 30mm.

Getting into portrait territory, some prefer 50mm on a cropped sensor body, and an f/1.4 will be cheaper than an f/1.8 85mm, and focus closer (for shots across a table).

For shots across a restaurant: 85mm, especially if you can move; or the Sigma f/2.8 50-150mm.
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I dont think I want a wide fast lens.
But I would like to have a portrait lens on 50mm and 85mm.
Seems 50-150mm F2.8 Sigma is a good choice.
Anyone know the price now and anyone can show me some photos of the portraits using this lens?
 
The Sigma 50-150mm is £585 + P&P new, and bear in mind it's a DX lens.

You might want to try the old Tamron f/2.8 35-105mm. Dunno how well it would fare on a full frame dSLR if you get one, but it was "European Lens of the Year" (if that counts for owt) and £300+ cheaper than the Sigma.
 
photon said:
The Sigma 50-150mm is £585 + P&P new, and bear in mind it's a DX lens.

You might want to try the old Tamron f/2.8 35-105mm. Dunno how well it would fare on a full frame dSLR if you get one, but it was "European Lens of the Year" (if that counts for owt) and £300+ cheaper than the Sigma.
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Jacobs are sell 50-150mm for 569.99..
How's the Second Hand?
I can only find one on ebay
 
kevin612 said:
Jacobs are sell 50-150mm for 569.99..
How's the Second Hand?
I can only find one on ebay
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I've never seen or used the lens, but I can't help but think that £570 for a 50-150 is very expensive (especially as its DX only)

You could get a Sigma 70-200 for that no problem, so unless you really want the much smaller lens, I'm not really sure it would be a lens I'd ever consider.

I've seen them come up used occasionally for around £300 which to me is a bit more palatable.
 
I got mine used for £230 (around December last year). They generally go for between the £275 and £350 mark. There aren't as many of them around as the 70-200mm's so you may have to be patient.
 
sdb123 said:
I got mine used for £230 (around December last year). They generally go for between the £275 and £350 mark. There aren't as many of them around as the 70-200mm's so you may have to be patient.
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Any website that you can give me to see if they got them
If cannot post it out in here.
Please do PM me.
Thanks

Kevin
 
puddleduck said:
I've never seen or used the lens, but I can't help but think that £570 for a 50-150 is very expensive (especially as its DX only)

You could get a Sigma 70-200 for that no problem, so unless you really want the much smaller lens, I'm not really sure it would be a lens I'd ever consider.

I've seen them come up used occasionally for around £300 which to me is a bit more palatable.
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I was quite shocked when the sales said brand new price is this.
As I thought it would be a lot less than that.
Well guess I have to wait for a bit...
 
Compare Sigma 50-150 and Tokina 50-135mm?
Which one would be better for portraits?

Thanks
 
You might find yourself shooting in available light more - being full-frame, the 5D has very good low light/high ISO characteristics. You'll get very nice results at ISO 1000 - not quite in the same league as the D700, but still better than the D90.

Oh, if you've not got your 5D sorted, I'm still trying to offload mine ;)

A.
 
Anorakus said:
You might find yourself shooting in available light more - being full-frame, the 5D has very good low light/high ISO characteristics. You'll get very nice results at ISO 1000 - not quite in the same league as the D700, but still better than the D90.

Oh, if you've not got your 5D sorted, I'm still trying to offload mine ;)

A.
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But I need someone to have all my stuff first in order that I can get the 5D and lens.
And flash.
But currently thinking of just getting a F2.8 lens start from 50mm for my D90
and sell my 35mm F2.

Cause thinking if it is possible to sell all my stuff and get the 5D and 24-105mm and Flash without the need of add extra money.

Also if my D90 was in a kit box and want to sell the D90 + 18-70mm together.
And D90 is not registered yet and have all proof of purchase.
What would be the best price?

And I don't mind someone offer me price for all my stuff listed in my signature. :D
 
Anorakus said:
You might find yourself shooting in available light more - being full-frame, the 5D has very good low light/high ISO characteristics. You'll get very nice results at ISO 1000 - not quite in the same league as the D700, but still better than the D90.
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Have you ever used a D90? Perfectly fine up to ISO1600....
 
kevin612 said:
I was quite shocked when the sales said brand new price is this.
As I thought it would be a lot less than that.
Well guess I have to wait for a bit...
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As with most manufacturers, Sigma put their prices up at the beginning of the year (40% in some cases).
 
kevin612 said:
I was tempting to change the full frame as the Depth of Field and quality of pictures are much better then crops...
but D700 is too expensive.
So I thought of Canon 5D second hand
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I'm surprised at the lack of commenting on what I would consider to be the biggest difference between the D90 and 5D i.e. the difference in sensor size. The D90's sensor measures 23.6 x 15.8mm and the 5D's is 35.8 x 23.9mm which gives it about 2.3 times the area for approximately the same number of pixels which, I think, means bigger photosites (more light is detected for the same exposure settings) and less pixel density (less noise). The 5D is older technology. So, I'd expect the D90 to make up some ground from that front.

I old-graded from a 40D to a 5D and loved the improvement I saw. If you're like me, however, you might miss some of the newer features of the D90, but that doesn't mean the 5D isn't a damn fine camera because it is! For me, sensor size comes first. That means I would choose the 5D over the D90, but then I mostly shoot things that don't move very quickly if very much at all.

Don't forget to check out sites like DPReview especially their photographic tests for the 5D and D90 for comparison.
 
sdb123 said:
Are you aware that the warranty isn't transferrable? It stays with the original purchaser.
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Yes I know.
So I think that if someone bought from me and registered.
So the warranty will stay with that guy.
Not me.
 
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