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Am I the only one gets nervy when a cop car is behind me? Think it's human nature.
Yeah but not fear.
Am I the only one gets nervy when a cop car is behind me? Think it's human nature.
Two of our friends are cops, was at the pub with one last night, and they themselves do not want guns. Ok, they patrol cambridge which is very safe, but neither would choose to be armed.
Ive a number pof freinds who are cops who say the same but the reasoning is different - the principal reason they don't want to be armed is they fear the consequences if they actually shoot someone - that is being judged by a bunch of morons who've never been closer to a fure arm than their TV set, with the benefit of hindsight, and hung out today by senior officers more concerned with cobering their own arse than protecting the men under their comand
Am I the only one gets nervy when a cop car is behind me? Think it's human nature.
I would however like to see more offficers armed with taser. Its incredibly effective even without being deployed. However again there is no money left in the pot.
The vast majority of officers would fail firearms selection, and I include myself in that. The bar is set high and for good reason. So arming more of us would require a drop in standards, which I don't think anyone could agree with. We are also seriously strapped for funds and resources. Add that to the fact that the majority of officers don't want to be armed and you can see that its not going to happen.
I would however like to see more offficers armed with taser. Its incredibly effective even without being deployed. However again there is no money left in the pot.
Stereo types...dangerous thing.
Are the Police all martial arts experts with the skill and confidence to step in
This is a VERY common thought amongst the police ranks - you get hung drawn and quartered for defending yourself against an attacking suspect using your bare hands (which, really is all we have) let along shooting someone with a firearm.Ive a number pof freinds who are cops who say the same but the reasoning is different - the principal reason they don't want to be armed is they fear the consequences if they actually shoot someone - that is being judged by a bunch of morons who've never been closer to a fure arm than their TV set, with the benefit of hindsight, and hung out todry by senior officers more concerned with cobering their own arse than protecting the men under their comand
Good post. I also agree with Bernie, if I was a cop and armed I would be worried about what happened if I did shoot someone.
The vast majority of officers would fail firearms selection, and I include myself in that. The bar is set high and for good reason. So arming more of us would require a drop in standards, .
I'm not suggesting they are (though there's a decent argument they should be). Just that the experts who designed their equipment may know somewhat more than the average man on a forum. As I say, my gut feel is that to protect yourself against anything other than a gun you want to be closer not further away (think of boxers clinching) and a lead lined stick is an excellent close combat weapon which needs very little training. Unlike guns which generally aren't good for arm's length combat and require a huge commitment to training and safety if you roll them out to everyone.
If you're hitting an attacker with a stick, it's pretty hard to injure an innocent bystander.
I'm not entirely sure i agree - the army manage to train a bunch of 18 year old f***wits (which accurately describes most intake courses) to use automatic weapons without too much problem - so it shouldnt be beyond the wit of man to train intelligent police officers to use a semi auto handgun responsibly and acurately without it costing the earth
Seriously there is absolutely no money left... A role out would cost millions per force, and we couldn't cope with the abstractions for the training.
I've supervised well over 100 PCs to date. Amongst those there are a handful I'd trust with a gun. You should see how inaccurate and panicked some of them are with CS when things go pear shaped.
And attacks and assaults on police are going up, massively. They've almost doubled in the last year alone.
Can you provide evidense for this claim ?
It's not a "claim".Can you provide evidense for this claim ?
See my post above.From one of Moose' s links:
Nationally – more officers are being assaulted on the streets every day. There were 20,249 assaults on police officers between April 2013 and March – an increase of 579 assaults than in the previous financial year.
Not exactly a doubling.
See my post above.
But from John Apter, chairman of Hampshires police Fed;
"the past five years there have been almost 5,000 assaults on officers across Hampshire and the Isle of Wight – 1,200 of which took place since April last year."
5000 in the last 5 years but *1200* since April last year.
There's your increase, but the exact figure for the pedantics as I say, are still being compiled.
Really?? Jesus.Hardly a national statistic.
But they are representative of the profession as a whole, being a large Home Counties force.
But don't worry, people like me will carry on putting our necks on the line so people like you can sleep safely at night
That's great. But so what?Oh please. Spare me.
Half my family have spent their careers in the Greater Manchester, Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire police forces.
Well forgive me...but Hampshire and IoW do not constitute a balanced national overview.
Irony overloadI honestly think you should take more care over what you write out.
I honestly think you should take more care over what you write out.
I did, and I stand by it. (Or I will when I stop laughing at the above).
I honestly think you should take more care over what you write out.
Massive and unjustified assumptionAlso, in a gun to gun confrontation, there is a 50% chance that the person who ends up dead is you.
Steve.
It's not a "claim".
Figures are being compiled as we speak, but not by me (police federation) but as it's still 2014 for a few more weeks those figures won't be published for a while.
But I'm not someone who needs to post a Google link, I've only got to look at the daily state when I come into work to see "officer assaulted" numerous times when it lists the previous day's events.
I can put my hand up and say I've been assaulted in various ways far more frequently now than I did 10 years ago, and it's now seen as part of the job. Not for much longer.
See my post above.
But from John Apter, chairman of Hampshires police Fed;
"the past five years there have been almost 5,000 assaults on officers across Hampshire and the Isle of Wight – 1,200 of which took place since April last year."
5000 in the last 5 years but *1200* since April last year.
There's your increase, but the exact figure for the pedantics as I say, are still being compiled.
In the past five years there have been almost 5,000 assaults on officers across Hampshire and the Isle of White – 1,200 of which took place since April last year.
Surely, whether or not these statistics are actually accurate isn't really the point.Well fair enough then it is evidence I can not spell but as Ruth pointed out it is not evidence that suports a claim that assults on UK Police officiers have doubled.
If someone makes a claim that seems unlikely I would expect them to present evedence to suport that claim when asked.
Unfortunatly personal experience and anecdotal evidence are not going to put figures to a claim.
So this is your source for the claim that assults have nearly doubled in the last year?
On the assumptionn that it is lets see what we can find out about it.
The earliest link I can find with your quotes in it is from the West Yorkshire Police Federation
It seems that the Hampshire Police Federation has threatened to take its force to court because it believes that amungst other things not maintaining minium staffing levels is putting officiers at uneccessary risk, which would clearly be unacceptable.
Now that article is posted 24th October 2014 and reffers to an annual open meeting held this month ie somewhen in October 2014
From that article
So if there have been almost 5000 assults on officiers across Hampshire and the Isle of White in the past five years then over that five year peroid the mean level of assults has been 1000 a year.
Now if we read that unattributed statement carefully we see that 1200 of those assults took place since April last year as we know that the the meeting was held in October and they are reffering to April last year ie April 2013 then the since is a peroid of at least 16 months therefore giving an average over those sixteen months of 900 which represents a fall over the five year mean.
So again where is the evidence for a near doubling in Police Officer assults in the uk ?