Budget Day 2025

[Mr Bump]

Before I retired my earnings were well into the 40% bracket.... I didn't begrudge having to pay a higher rate of tax, unlike some of my co-workers who would turn down extra shifts with the excuse it was getting taxed at 40%.......... I didn't mind working them and the overtime I did paid for my holidays!!!

Living on a pension now and I still don't begrudge paying income tax.....

I also worked all hours and extras when i was a contractor as all my extra went into my tax free pension, now as you say i am paying "some" tax but i am getting £13k tax free for starters so big win.

 

[LeeRatters]

I'm pretty sure all EVs have telemetry that can report mileage back to base (as well as many other things) and the delay may well be down to the government giving their IT people a couple of years + the legislation to require car makers to pass on mileage data automatically. Once EVs are a majority transport solution then expect ICE vehicles to be taxed to hell to get them off the road, with little fear of consequence for the government then in power.

That's why they want us in EV's - tracking, control & surveillance. Nothing to do with the climate change con.

 

[Delphin]

Definitely, even something like the cadets would be a good start whilst they are at school. My son is in them and it helps instil some discipline, they are taught life skills such as ironing, there's the fitness aspect and even the camaraderie gives a real boost to confidence.

I don't know about other places, but sadly the Scouts and Guides are much less visible in our village than they used to be (don't even take part in the carnival parade any more)
the Church Lads Brigade has total gone too.

I know being in the scouts has helped me in life. I still meet people 50+ years later who remember our time as scouts.

 

[Delphin]

I understand the change in NI-free salary sacrifice pension contributions, I have a friend who inherited his parent's house, then sold it. He then decided to live mainly on that money, keep working and put £60K of his wage annually in this pension. That's a lot of NI the government is losing.

I'm not sure now much they will get with the extra 2% on savings, are there enough people getting above the tax-free interest allowance to make a difference (and with interest rates dropping it will be even few people I guess)

 

[Delphin]

That's why they want us in EV's - tracking, control & surveillance. Nothing to do with the climate change con.

My diesel does all that, it tracks my mileage, location, oil life, tyre pressure. The info is available to me via the ford pass app (so it's available to ford too)
As has been said elsewhere, most modern vehicles do the same, no matter the power source.

 

[gman]

I don't know about other places, but sadly the Scouts and Guides are much less visible in our village than they used to be (don't even take part in the carnival parade any more)
the Church Lads Brigade has total gone too.

I know being in the scouts has helped me in life. I still meet people 50+ years later who remember our time as scouts.

My son did the Scouts, then moved to the BB, Although neither are on the same level as the cadets, but still a good precursor.

 

[boogie man]

seems to me to be a fairly reasonable budget no red flags no big whoppers
disappointed with the freeze on thresholds but i guess that allows tax revenue to rise without any shocks to peoples wallets.
still think she avoided more tax on fuel an easy win.

She didn’t avoid it, the 5p per litre fuel subsidy that the Tories introduced is being taken away from next September.

No doubt the 3p per mile surcharge on EV’s will get ramped up and then extended to other fuel types in subsequent years. Successive governments will do the usual “don’t blame us, we didn’t introduce it”, while not actually getting rid of it.

 

[Nod]

That's why they want us in EV's - tracking, control & surveillance. Nothing to do with the climate change con.

The Diesel Merc we had as a courtesy car recently was far more controlling than Mrs Nod's EV.

 

[gman]

She didn’t avoid it, the 5p per litre fuel subsidy that the Tories introduced is being taken away from next September.

No doubt the 3p per mile surcharge on EV’s will get ramped up and then extended to other fuel types in subsequent years. Successive governments will do the usual “don’t blame us, we didn’t introduce it”, while not actually getting rid of it.

This in particular.

 

[Delphin]

According to the RAC the average mileage in the uk is 7100 per year

She didn’t avoid it, the 5p per litre fuel subsidy that the Tories introduced is being taken away from next September.

No doubt the 3p per mile surcharge on EV’s will get ramped up and then extended to other fuel types in subsequent years. Successive governments will do the usual “don’t blame us, we didn’t introduce it”, while not actually getting rid of it.

She did say the 5p cut would be taken away in stages, so we may not need to queue at the fuel pump before 6pm next budget day.

As for extending ppm, it'll all depend on how they apply it to other vehicles.
According to the RAC the average mileage in the uk is 7100 per year, the Road Fund is £190 (well on mine) and let's say 60mpg.
If they scrap both fuel duty and road fund licence, put ppm at 7pence a mile, the average driver will be paying less. Quids in for those of us who do far below the average.

 

[Peter123]

Quite a number of these changes kick in not that long before the next election is due.
Perhaps they know they won't be re-elected?

 

[cambsno]

Quite a number of these changes kick in not that long before the next election is due.
Perhaps they know they won't be re-elected?

I was thinking that - political suicide. Any respectable party would tax now and cut in the 12m before the election

 

[Norkie]

If the tax thresholds are not going to be increased until 2031 (even then they may be extended) that means they will not have been increased for 10 years.

 

[Delphin]

Quite a number of these changes kick in not that long before the next election is due.
Perhaps they know they won't be re-elected?

Every Chancellor has done the same, and people will have forgotten 4 or 5 years latter. People will just see the pre-election budget giveaway . Standard practice for the UK.

 

[Mr Bump]

She didn’t avoid it, the 5p per litre fuel subsidy that the Tories introduced is being taken away from next September.

No doubt the 3p per mile surcharge on EV’s will get ramped up and then extended to other fuel types in subsequent years. Successive governments will do the usual “don’t blame us, we didn’t introduce it”, while not actually getting rid of it.

she should have just scrapped it yesterday and had done with it in my book.
as i have allways said we need more tax money in this country a hell of a lot more if we are going to maintain services.

I also wanted VED to be reformed on older vehicles (like mine) that pay £20/year its to cheap , minimum VED should be the £195/year new cars pay now and it should be across the range

 

[gman]

she should have just scrapped it yesterday and had done with it in my book.
as i have allways said we need more tax money in this country a hell of a lot more if we are going to maintain services.

I also wanted VED to be reformed on older vehicles (like mine) that pay £20/year its to cheap , minimum VED should be the £195/year new cars pay now and it should be across the range

No we don't. We need to address the spending first, or more accurately the misspending.

 

[Tringa]

Unfortunately, the budget omitted a wealth tax. Even the most pessimistic estimate of a 2% tax on wealth above £10 million I've seen suggest it would raise £15 billion.

Dave

 

[onomatopoeia]

Every Chancellor has done the same, and people will have forgotten 4 or 5 years latter. People will just see the pre-election budget giveaway . Standard practice for the UK.

Jeremy Hunt did it with the two 2% NI cuts in quick succession before the 2024 election. That went well for them.

 

[Tringa]

Every Chancellor has done the same, and people will have forgotten 4 or 5 years latter. People will just see the pre-election budget giveaway . Standard practice for the UK.

I know governments would argue that external events/forces had an impact on what they published in their manifestos.

I'd like to see, say about 4 and a bit years after the last election, a comparison of the manifesto with what the government has actually done.

Dave

 

[Delphin]

I know governments would argue that external events/forces had an impact on what they published in their manifestos.

I'd like to see, say about 4 and a bit years after the last election, a comparison of the manifesto with what the government has actually done.

Dave

I think it is done in the media, but there is no official report. Doing so makes plain why the Tories lost last time, achieved a few and spectacularly failed others.
I would imagine there has been similar results from both parties over the few decades or so.

2019 Manifesto

“We’ve introduced and consistently raised the National Living Wage – and will raise it still further.” – Achieved

“Get Brexit Done” – Achieved

“Debt will be lower at the end of the Parliament” – Failed

“Net Zero by 2050” – Failed

“50,000 more nurses” – Achieved

“We will not raise the rate of Income Tax, VAT or National Insurance” – Mostly Failed

“Bring full fibre and gigabit-capable broadband to every home and business” – Failed

Reduce Net Migration “to less than 100,000” – Failed

“We will add 10,000 more prison places”– Failed

“300,000 homes a year by the mid-2020s” – Failed

Conservatives’ 2019 Pledge Failures | Politics UK

With polling finding that a majority of voters from all parties no longer believe any manifesto pledges, clearly something has gone wrong. Looking back, how

politicsuk.com

 

[nog]

That's why they want us in EV's - tracking, control & surveillance. Nothing to do with the climate change con.

Back in 2019 the police used telematics from a Landrover to help convict a murderer on Anglesey, he had set fire to the landrover but data was uploaded automatically to cloud.
Quite a bit of detail
eg
It revealed Whall had parked at Porth Dafarch beach - a short walk from Mr Corrigan's home - at 23:10 on 18 April.
The boot was opened at 23:11:04 and closed 39 seconds later. This was Whall, said prosecutors, removing the crossbow.

Anglesey crossbow murder: How car technology helped catch a killer

Details showing a car's movements were a key factor in finding the killer of Gerald Corrigan.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Raincloud]

Awful budget

 

[mj4456]

My diesel does all that, it tracks my mileage, location, oil life, tyre pressure. The info is available to me via the ford pass app (so it's available to ford too)
As has been said elsewhere, most modern vehicles do the same, no matter the power source.

Her Kia is the same.

 

[mj4456]

According to the RAC the average mileage in the uk is 7100 per year


She did say the 5p cut would be taken away in stages, so we may not need to queue at the fuel pump before 6pm next budget day.

As for extending ppm, it'll all depend on how they apply it to other vehicles.
According to the RAC the average mileage in the uk is 7100 per year, the Road Fund is £190 (well on mine) and let's say 60mpg.
If they scrap both fuel duty and road fund licence, put ppm at 7pence a mile, the average driver will be paying less. Quids in for those of us who do far below the average.

I’d take that, £735 RFL and 5000 miles max per annum that a bonus.

 

[ihasa]

as i have allways said we need more tax money in this country a hell of a lot more if we are going to maintain services.

I totally agree. We want American levels of taxation but expect Scandinavian levels of public services - the math isn't math-ing.

(Actually if you view health insurance as a tax I imagine Americans are possibly worse off - we pay considerably less per capita on healthcare than they do. We pay less than most of our European competitors as well.

 

[gman]

I totally agree. We want American levels of taxation but expect Scandinavian levels of public services - the math isn't math-ing.

(Actually if you view health insurance as a tax I imagine Americans are possibly worse off - we pay considerably less per capita on healthcare than they do. We pay less than most of our European competitors as well.

The maths is never going to work when so much taxpayers money has to be filtered through the self serving troughs of incompetence, greed and fraud.

 

[cambsno]

I totally agree. We want American levels of taxation but expect Scandinavian levels of public services - the math isn't math-ing.

(Actually if you view health insurance as a tax I imagine Americans are possibly worse off - we pay considerably less per capita on healthcare than they do. We pay less than most of our European competitors as well.

As I have said before, housing cost here is far more than countries like France or USA. For many half their wage will go on mortgage, then you have all the other things to live and there is not much left. Tax take has been going up while services getting worse. That tells me it’s a management and budget issue rather than not enough money.

Pretty certain if you gave a company 250m to find savings in the nhs while not affecting patient care or long term stuff they could find fat in excess of that.

 

[cambsno]

Car crash of an interview here

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[gman]

As I have said before, housing cost here is far more than countries like France or USA. For many half their wage will go on mortgage, then you have all the other things to live and there is not much left. Tax take has been going up while services getting worse. That tells me it’s a management and budget issue rather than not enough money.

Pretty certain if you gave a company 250m to find savings in the nhs while not affecting patient care or long term stuff they could find fat in excess of that.

I remember a past suggestion that if you told middle management throughout the public sector that they had to save £5 in ever £100 without touching or impacting front line services or else they would lose their jobs, we would see £5 in every £100 being saved.

You could double the NHS budget and it still wouldn't be a enough.

 

[Delphin]

Car crash of an interview here

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Simple, you just get a big bill after 3 years at the first MOT, if you sell before then your buyer will have to take that into account when agreeing a price.

 

[cambsno]

Simple, you just get a big bill after 3 years at the first MOT, if you sell before then your buyer will have to take that into account when agreeing a price.

And if you do 1,500 miles on your road trip to France???

Or what if you buy the car new in 2027 and sell in 2029 - how does the government or buyer know which mileage is valid for the charging period?

More holes than a Swiss cheese

 

[tarric]

That is totally immoral IMO.

If min wage goes up by 4% each year, by 2031 that will be just over 32k (from 26.4k next year). Just a salary of 18k more than min wage will see you in a high tax bracket - 40%. Thats crazy and will pull millions of normal, everyday people into it.

I have defended Labour at times as they needed a chance (and some on here were criticising them on a point of principle it seems). But enough is enough, the leopard has not changed its spots - lets give more in benefits and welfare to the lazy and unskilled, and penalise those that want to do well, save etc...

The freezing of tax threshold has a bigger effect on the low paid than the raising of the minimum wage, but then you cannot expect the rich (I don't mean people who think their rich but the people with real wealth) to pay.

Why not stop hammering those earning 40-50k a year and put a wealth tax in?

Never thought I would say this but we need reform in. Not because they will fix it, far from it, but both main parties need a wake up call!

I agree with the first part but if you really think Farage and his company will help the workers let alone those in 40-50k bracket you need to look a little harder.

 

[lindsay]

Some people seem to think Farage's mob will fix things. I fundamentally disagree, for many reasons not least that they seem to be economically illiterate. However people are forgetting that there is an existing third party in Britain with experience of government - the LibDems. Surely a genuine social democratic effort is safer to try than a very right wing experimental one? At least their economic policies stand scrutiny.

 

[ancient_mariner]

Some people seem to think Farage's mob will fix things. I fundamentally disagree, for many reasons not least that they seem to be economically illiterate. However people are forgetting that there is an existing third party in Britain with experience of government - the LibDems. Surely a genuine social democratic effort is safer to try than a very right wing experimental one? At least their economic policies stand scrutiny.

I find the way they are ignored in favour of Reform Ltd, The Greens and even Your Party astonishing and a clear sign of media bias. I don't honestly think they are any more competent than the present Labour party, but they're not less competent either, unlike the others.

 

[lindsay]

My point exactly: why lurch to the right when you can lurch to the centre-left

 

[Delphin]

And if you do 1,500 miles on your road trip to France???

Or what if you buy the car new in 2027 and sell in 2029 - how does the government or buyer know which mileage is valid for the charging period?

More holes than a Swiss cheese

As I said whoever owns the car at the first MOT pays the bill, if you buy a 2 year old car with 20,000 on the clock knock £600 off the asking price.

 

[cambsno]

The freezing of tax threshold has a bigger effect on the low paid than the raising of the minimum wage, but then you cannot expect the rich (I don't mean people who think their rich but the people with real wealth) to pay.



I agree with the first part but if you really think Farage and his company will help the workers let alone those in 40-50k bracket you need to look a little harder.

I dont think he will, I can only hope he is a catalyst for the Tories and Labour to wake up!

 

[cambsno]

Some people seem to think Farage's mob will fix things. I fundamentally disagree, for many reasons not least that they seem to be economically illiterate. However people are forgetting that there is an existing third party in Britain with experience of government - the LibDems. Surely a genuine social democratic effort is safer to try than a very right wing experimental one? At least their economic policies stand scrutiny.

I have thought that for years. Maybe they still suffer from the coalition (when I think they did a good job). Maybe they dont have an identity? They always had some good and charismatic leaders but not for a while now. They do have some very good policies and ideas but sadly, based on my local area, LD are quite power hungry, and do not believe in democracy. Very controlling in what they do and allow. Behind those sandals lurks a cold, calculating person. They are obsessed with being anti-car.

But then when you see things like this in their manifesto you see why - Providing supervised toothbrushing training for children in nurseries and schools - FFS that parental responsibility!!!

 

[cambsno]

As I said whoever owns the car at the first MOT pays the bill, if you buy a 2 year old car with 20,000 on the clock knock £600 off the asking price.

Well she could have said something like that rather than act like a rabbit in headlights - But even then thats filled with risk. I wonder how many people when they sell said 2 year old car will say yes, I did 10k last 10k and 10k this year. Law changed this year so thats £300. More like, I did 19,500 last year and 500 this year so thats £15!!! Multiple owners in first 2 or 3 years, bound to see some people ripped off.

 

[Eucris]

As I said whoever owns the car at the first MOT pays the bill, if you buy a 2 year old car with 20,000 on the clock knock £600 off the asking price.

As the milage is recorded when your car is serviced the service centre can forward the milage to the DVLA via the DVLA website.