I have worked with some people who where getting paid , and they where far from professional in the way they acted. and also with people who wearnt being paid and the acted professionally.
so being paid doesn't make a professional , its part of it
Sorry that's wrong.just because some one gets paid . does not make them a professional . a professional is someone who knows what they are doing and how to handle any situation
If you can quantify that, it’s reasonable. Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of words used to make someone feel ‘superior’.just because some one gets paid . does not make them a professional . a professional is someone who knows what they are doing and how to handle any situation
it cannot be quantified because it is wrong, as we all know a professional photographer makes the majority of their income through photography, that's it end of debate.If you can quantify that, it’s reasonable. Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of words used to make someone feel ‘superior’.
Ehhthe meaning of profeesional from the wiki
"A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity. The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession."
it doesn't mention being paid, so if a student fresh from uni , buys a camera and gets paid that makes them a professional then. even though they have no experience
a professional in addition to the above , need to act and behave as a professional photographer , as you would in any other profession
I’m sure you’re all having fun arguing about this (yes, I’ve read the thread), but at post #4 the OP wrote “ I u apologize for using the word 'professional'. And yes, that's what I meant to ask, if you can make your images amazing with just a beginner camera and not a camera that costs over £300.”
Seems a lot less complicated than all you “professionals” are making out. The thread also tends to show why manufacturers of all kinds of things add ”pro” to the names.
Or for some, a vocation?Oh and photography isn't a profession. It's a trade.
Only if you slip over the last part of the definition from wiki you provided.I was wrong on the paid part , but the other bits are are true
Op didnt check in after september 2019 so is think this is a free playground nowAs with most posts, the conversation ends up with people having multiple conversations some not relevant to the original post, very very few are conversations with only the OP, like this post or your post, totally irrelevant to the OP
Yes, but I just think it’s a bit pointless given that ‘professional’ has several very different meanings in English, all of which seem to have been used here. Context is all .Op didnt check in after september 2019 so is think this is a free playground now
Sadly thats wrong. Professional means it's your profession, ie you get paid for it. Being good at it isn't a factor. There are lots of professionals in all fields who are rubbish, they still get paid and it's still their profession.just because some one gets paid . does not make them a professional . a professional is someone who knows what they are doing and how to handle any situation.
I have never known it to be anything other than meaning you make the majority of your earnings from it. I would estimate half of all the "professionals" I have had dealings with turned out to not have a bloody clue what they were doing !I agree . professional infares the person knows what they are doing, most professionals do know what they are doing , it has to be one of the most misused words in the dictionary.
So when the brakes fail on your car and it crashes through the front wall of your house you'll be getting a huge bill from HMRC?but the fact we have civil servants, builders and mechanics proves the flaw in that argument
I agree . professional infares the person knows what they are doing, most professionals do know what they are doing , it has to be one of the most misused words in the dictionary.
This is so bloody true. I see it all the time. Carpenters, mechanics, solicitors ...Sadly thats wrong. Professional means it's your profession, ie you get paid for it. Being good at it isn't a factor. There are lots of professionals in all fields who are rubbish, they still get paid and it's still their profession.
In an ideal world there would be standards of competence, but the fact we have civil servants, builders and mechanics proves the flaw in that argument
This is so bloody true. I see it all the time. Carpenters, mechanics, solicitors ...
To me there's a personal ethic involved - that you do the best you can. But it seems that some people are in it mainly for the money, and become box-tickers - the failing in the whole Grenfell Tower business. People there specified a system, oversaw (or didn't) its installation, and signed the work off. And now they're shouting 'It wasn't me!'.
Craftspersonship and ethics are powerfully linked. An inextricable component of true craft is honesty.
But added to that, in a realm like photography that can be creative, there's a more intangible reference which is cultural, and which has its own scale of values.
As in any discussion or casual conversation even, define your terms.
Yes, you can make professional images using a point & shoot.
One term that I absolutely loath is acting or behaving 'professionally'.
Ok maybe of professional quality and again that will probably open up a line of debate. But for me professional is a photo that fits the requirements (and you can repeat - and not just do as a one off chancer) and stands out from the photo that any tom dick or harry takes ie if a customer wants a photograph of their home to use to sell it might not be best to produce some artsy B&W "interpretation" of the living space or some other pretentious phrase and present it on some sort of metallic finish paper in a perfectly complimentary frame. This might be professional in an art gallery but is not what is required. Equally it might be expected to shoot it on a wide angle lens to make the rooms look spacious (if thats what will sell the property).I still fail to see how an “image” can be professional ?
Ok, fair enough!I still fail to see how an “image” can be professional ? Only the person taking it can be.
That's ok, we don't need them ...The OP has not logged in since they first posted, 13th September 2019.
A good pro can get great images from a beginners camera, but a beginner can't reliably get 'pro' images even if using a top quality camera (they may get lucky once or twice).