Canon 7D picture editing

Phil, its been a massive learning curve with the 7D i have to say, and its thrown me a bit, im used to the mk3 being bullet proof and producing rock solid images all the time, and to find this producing hit and miss images is a bit bothering.

I havent had chance to play with micro adjust yet, but the thing that bothers me about that, is that the focus point is on the eye, 100% of the time, and the eye will be sharp, when zoomed in. I will give it a go when i have decent light to mess with it though !

Looking at some pics i took of a sparrowhawk yesterday, LR 2.6 and 3.0 Beta show so much noise its terrifying, but DPP shows minimal amounts !

I will keep persevering because the potential is there i just need to relearn some bits i think ! :)

Trying to keep all this in the open, hopefully we can all learn from it :)
 
some good articles here Ian GOOD ARTICLES that might be of use
 
Ian - looking at your Coal Tit shot I'd say 1/100th is really pushing your luck with a Coal Tit, and I woildn't really look much further for the cause of the problems with that shot. Seeing as you were shooting at 1600 ISO and wide open it doesn't seem there was much you could do about it anyway. :shrug:

I 've run NR on the bg on your Goldfinch shot and selectively sharpened the bird and the teasel. The bird isn't optimally sharp even after sharpening , but hey - it happens! The shutter speed should have been fast enough, so I'd suspect you didn't quite nail the focus? Happens to me all the time. :D


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CT said:
Ian - looking at your Coal Tit shot I'd say 1/100th is really pushing your luck with a Coal Tit, and I woildn't really look much further for the cause of the problems with that shot. Seeing as you were shooting at 1600 ISO and wide open it doesn't seem there was much you could do about it anyway. :shrug:
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Cheers CT, the main reason for the coaly being there is the obvious difference in colour, caused by LR, but i know what you mean re sharpness :)

CT said:
I 've run NR on the bg on your Goldfinch shot and selectively sharpened the bird and the teasel. The bird isn't optimally sharp even after sharpening , but hey - it happens! The shutter speed should have been fast enough, so I'd suspect you didn't quite nail the focus? Happens to me all the time. :D
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Thats another possibility, im used to the Mk3 locking onto things much much quicker than the 7 does, maybe im just impatient ? :)

Like i said im going ot persevere and try to get something im happy with lol :)
 
IanC_UK said:
Thats another possibility, im used to the Mk3 locking onto things much much quicker than the 7 does, maybe im just impatient ? :)

Like i said im going ot persevere and try to get something im happy with lol :)
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Don't give up on the 7D mate -it's early days and I think it's the best thing since sliced bread, but there are a lot of settings options.

For BIF I'm tending to set focus tracking sensitivity to the slowest - particularly where there's a busy bg it may lock onto.

Where you're on a perched bird twitching and moving about I'm finding I get a lot more sharp shots with focus tracking set to the fastest, but it's early days for all of us with the 7D.
 
Freester said:
Ahh I worked out how to 100% crop - thanks CT.

I must say I was really pleased with the noise when viewing at the native resolution. However at 100% the noise is quite apparent.

That said I'm no pixel peeper usually...

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I hope you don't mind me jumping in here.. I just ran on of your images through "neat image"
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IanC_UK said:
am off to Brandon Marsh in the morning, so will see how i get on with it then :) have tweaked a few settings and will see what happens how its set now :)
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Good luck - I look forward to the killer shots. :D

You can actually set up a completely different set of AF parameters and recall them as long as you keep the DOF preview button depressed. The DOF preview button isn't really the ideal place for accessibility, but it's the only option you get with this function - you can't remap it to another button.

Something I've yet to set up and try, but it could be really useful if you're swapping from perched birds to BIF on the fly.
 
I'm certainly no expert but there definately seem to be issues with RAW files in LR. You've got problems with 7D files, other people have problems with certain Nikon camera files and it doesn't seemt o like my A700 files at all. Noise handling seems pretty aweful and it does something very odd to the red tones in my pictures. Perhaps Adobe need to spend more time addressing these sorts of issues on their current products than just soldiering on with the next version.:shrug:
 
What are you exporting the images as? sRGB? Remember that what you may output from Lr or Ps may look different (any camera make) unless you export as an sRGB profiled image.

Sounds to me like a colour profile issue when exporting.
 
digitalfailure said:
Interesting reading and a vast difference in the images Ian.

I wonder if the 5d2 would benefit too from DPP, I've never installed the software for any of the Canon dSLR's i've owned.
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I'm sorry but I can't understand this, why do most people think a 3rd party company (Adobe) can do a better job at converting RAW files than the Canon.

Apparently Canon is famous (or infamous, if you prefer) for NOT sharing proprietary information about their digital Raw format. Since DPP would have access to that information, and ACR does not, it would stand to reason that you would get better conversion of your Canon files from Canon's own converter.

Remember that DPP is the ONLY software for Canon 's newer cameras that has Automatic Dust Erasure Processing
 
Feel free to use DPP and you will learn :)

Dust erasure can easily be replicated in ACR or in Lightroom.
 
EOS_JD said:
What are you exporting the images as? sRGB? Remember that what you may output from Lr or Ps may look different (any camera make) unless you export as an sRGB profiled image.

Sounds to me like a colour profile issue when exporting.
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My Adobe software is using sRGB profiles, cameras are all using sRGB, in fact anything that can be configured is set to sRGB :o) i may experiment with Adobe RGB to see if it makes any difference.
 
Go to bed Ian.........:lol:
 
I`m off to work soon and got to get my gear sorted,well that is my excuse anyway.......;)

You could go and look for some nocturnal wildlife Ian.......:D
 
IanC_UK said:
My Adobe software is using sRGB profiles, cameras are all using sRGB, in fact anything that can be configured is set to sRGB :o) i may experiment with Adobe RGB to see if it makes any difference.
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Every raw software package has it's own take. Silkypix gets great reviews and Capture One seems to get the most accurate results - I don't see ay great issues with my exports from Ps and Lr so I wonder what the problem could be?

Do you have a calibrated monitor?
 
Ian - I just took this this afternoon in crappy light - 1/60th at f5.6 700mm and 1600 ISO - processed in DPP.

Full frame - No noise reduction
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Moderate Crop - No noise reduction
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Heavy Crop - Noise reduction just on BG.
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Silly Big Crop - NR on BG and some parts of the sparrer
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It really shows the ability of the camera to crop and retain detail.
 
Right as promised an update. I have followed several suggestions, and setup my camera using the same settings as mentioned in this article http://www.deepgreenphotography.com/blog/?p=226, and can finally say im getting more and more passable results, even when editing with LR. This may be down to the excellent light of the last 2 days though, so im not closing this yet.

Kestrel taken today, cropped, minor sharpen, no noise reduction at all.
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Robin similar to above, much higher ISO though
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Will have to keep an eye on it for a while longer, but hopefully i will be alright taking it to Norway at the end of the month :)
 
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