Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Owners Thread

Which is a great point. The 5D was originally a studio only camera, 5D mk2 was a significant upgrade to abilities, offering waterproofing so it could be used outdoors, video recording, 21Mp, outstanding camera.

When the Mk3 came out some on here (especially nikon users) said it wasn't much of an upgrade, only 24mp, why did canon bother etc, yet the mk3 has proven to be an awesome camera, huge seller, and still a valid camera today 4 years after launch. The focus system improvements, abilities in low light etc.

We haven't had any of the numerous reviews yet. I expect this to Mk4 to be of a similar step up. 30Mp is ok for me, file size on the Mk3 is huge in raw anyway, wonder what it is with the Mk4?
 
The 5D used to be the way the majority of 'enthusiast photographers' entered full frame with Canon cameras. I fall into that category 100%. That held true for the 5D2 as well. However the launch of the 6D changed things. Now Canon brand the 5D4 as a professional camera and have given it a price tag to match. Today, if you go to one of the UK specialist retailers like Wex or Parkcamera's, the 5D3 can be had for £2299. That's £700 below official retail. A similar price reduction for the Mk4 would put it in t £2760 ball park which is just about reasonable for your average enthusiast. But how long will it take for this price drop to occur? If ever? Will the 6D's replacement come any where near the 5D3's spec and make that a viable upgrade alternative? I use the 5D3 primarily for photo's so to me the video is nice but not used. Image quality is fine, low light performance fine, AF with good lenses fine. Shooting speed fine. In fact I find it hard to find a box it doesn't tick. I don't use the SD card slot at all, probably because its too slow, so there is the one unticked box. Don't get me wrong, I'd probably love the 5D4 even more, especially with the extra detail in cropped shots, but it will cost me ~£2000 to upgrade today and that is not fine. That is far from fine. £1000 might be justifiable in the future, but here is one enthusiast that will stick with some older tech for now.
 
Been thinking about the AF shift in post. It says that you have to select that function before shooting and it takes two shots, making file sizes huge. As it takes two shots does that mean it only works with static shots, like olympus pixel shift tech? Also I'd imagine you'll only be able to do the focus shift in Canon software meaning that if you want to process in LR/PS you'll have to do the focus shift in Canon software, and export to LR using tiff (probably) making file sizes about 1GB each :eek::eek: What a faff ;)
 
TrevorP said:
The 5D used to be the way the majority of 'enthusiast photographers' entered full frame with Canon cameras. I fall into that category 100%. That held true...Now Canon brand the 5D4 as a professional camera and have given it a price tag to match.

Today, if you go to one of the UK specialist retailers like Wex or Parkcamera's, the 5D3 can be had for £2299. That's £700 below official retail. A similar price reduction for the Mk4 would put it in t £2760 ball park which is just about reasonable for your average enthusiast.
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I think you've answered you own points there :D

There are a huge range of bodies to suit all prices, and needs of the photographer.

Plus, and I cannot stress this enough, this is a pre-release price which was exactly the same as the 5D mk3. It was £ to $ equivilent on the pre-release, I suspect this is the same.
Wait and see what it actually falls to on real availability. And of course the 5D mk3 can be had at a lower price now, it's replacement is out and it's a 4 year old camera.

That doesn't mean the 5D mk3 is suddenly useless, or not fit for purpose. I have no plans to change mine until it fails.

And to be honest, it's that price point because thats what the market will support, as proven with the previous cameras

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Canon 5D Mk3
Succeeding the EOS 5D Mark II, it was announced on 2 March 2012, the 25th anniversary of the announcement of the first camera in the EOS line, the EOS 650, and was also Canon's 75th anniversary. The Mark III went on sale later in March with a retail price of $3,499 in the US, £2999 in the UK, and €3569 in the Eurozone.

I'd suggest Park have seen the price in dollars in the US and have applied 1$ = £1 fro the pre order price
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TrevorP said:
The 5D used to be the way the majority of 'enthusiast photographers' entered full frame with Canon cameras. I fall into that category 100%. That held true for the 5D2 as well. However the launch of the 6D changed things. Now Canon brand the 5D4 as a professional camera and have given it a price tag to match. Today, if you go to one of the UK specialist retailers like Wex or Parkcamera's, the 5D3 can be had for £2299. That's £700 below official retail. A similar price reduction for the Mk4 would put it in t £2760 ball park which is just about reasonable for your average enthusiast. But how long will it take for this price drop to occur? If ever? Will the 6D's replacement come any where near the 5D3's spec and make that a viable upgrade alternative? I use the 5D3 primarily for photo's so to me the video is nice but not used. Image quality is fine, low light performance fine, AF with good lenses fine. Shooting speed fine. In fact I find it hard to find a box it doesn't tick. I don't use the SD card slot at all, probably because its too slow, so there is the one unticked box. Don't get me wrong, I'd probably love the 5D4 even more, especially with the extra detail in cropped shots, but it will cost me ~£2000 to upgrade today and that is not fine. That is far from fine. £1000 might be justifiable in the future, but here is one enthusiast that will stick with some older tech for now.
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As I said earlier, the 5d4 release price is actually $99 less than the 5d3 was on release in the states. People need to put the price into perspective, ranting on about how much it costs when Canon are selling it less per unit (also bear in mind inflation) than the mk3 on day one.
 
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Houston1863 said:
Apologies to one and all, at 5am I must admit not to have looked closely at the specs of the 5D4 in particular, regarding the sensor. However £3599 comes at a shocker at whatever time of day or night, despite any sensor improvements. It's £1100 more than the 5D3 at release.......that's a crazy hike in price. And UK price being GBP3599 with Adorama asking US3499 rubs more salt into the wound.
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How is salt rubbed in to the wound?

3499 / 1.32 * 1.2 = 3181

((3181 / 3599) -1)*100 = -11.6

So 11.6% margin for reseller on the UK on launch stock.

You want the reseller to either make a loss or make no profit so they ultimately go bust? Where's the business sense on that?!

11.6% margin launch and then likely down between 5-8% after a few months is nothing other than reasonable.

After a few months a price drop will kick in and the margin percentage will remain between 5 and 8 most places so it'll be a much easier pill to swallow. Early adopters always pay more.
 
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Well I am far more worried about all the new learning I need to do.. the AF system is much more complex, and I'm sure I'll have fun messing with the post process focus shift, tho in practice I suspect it won't be that useful, and most situations I would want the higher buffer.


Yes I would have preferred a deeper buffer with Cfast,

I would also have traded some resolution for a stop more ISO

Another FPS of so would have been great.

Also I would have preferred not to have an AA filter, but I understand as a do anything camera, it perhaps needs one. I am not sure how the digital lens optimisation works which seems to be a software solution, is that only in DPP or can it be applied to the raw in camera?

Coming from the mk2 I have a lot to catch up on
 
It's interesting reading the comments on the touchscreen. I shoot LV a lot on the D750 and would love to have touchscreen focusing on it (and better LV AF in general). Seems a waste that Canon has done so much to improve LV focusing, but not added a flip screen to maximise it's potential. Once you've gotten used to having the tilt screen, it's tough to use anything else.
 
Houston1863 said:
Apologies to one and all, at 5am I must admit not to have looked closely at the specs of the 5D4 in particular, regarding the sensor. However £3599 comes at a shocker at whatever time of day or night, despite any sensor improvements. It's £1100 more than the 5D3 at release.......that's a crazy hike in price. And UK price being GBP3599 with Adorama asking US3499 rubs more salt into the wound.
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But it's not, it's $99 less than the 5d3 was on day 1 per unit.

UK prices are higher due to Brexit and the weak pound vs the Yen, its no more than that. Canon's unit per unit price is less than the 5d3.

Just don't buy from the UK until the pound recovers.
 
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I just wasted 10 minutes of my life that I will never get back watching that dick in the video. I could have, and should have, turned it off as soon as I heard him say he doesn't review Canon gear.

It's a camera, it will, like most cameras, do a good job at most things. It will do something's better than others and some things worse. Pretty much what every other camera on the market does.
 
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F/1.4 said:
View: https://youtu.be/qfL1-7q8uto


Not a fan of this guy but he has a point lol
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That was terrible.

7Dmkii has been proven more often than not to be a faster and more reliable system than the D500 even though it's a 65point system rather than 153 like the D500. The A6300 has a 425 point system or something insane and struggles to compete with the likes of the 7Dmkii so it just goes to show that numbers mean nothing other than they look better on paper.

I'm sure it'll be a superb camera but the storage choice and AA filter choices I do think are a little questions from canon to be honest and the 1.74 crop is very poor. It'll be true 1:1 pixel mapping so will look better than using the full frame no doubt but is it a sacrifice worth having?

Let's see how it performs before conclusions and funeral services are booked.
 
snerkler said:
Been thinking about the AF shift in post. It says that you have to select that function before shooting and it takes two shots, making file sizes huge. As it takes two shots does that mean it only works with static shots, like olympus pixel shift tech? Also I'd imagine you'll only be able to do the focus shift in Canon software meaning that if you want to process in LR/PS you'll have to do the focus shift in Canon software, and export to LR using tiff (probably) making file sizes about 1GB each :eek::eek: What a faff ;)
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LR will support it apparently.

http://www.cnet.com/news/adobe-to-s...-mark-iv/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b&linkId=28067507
 
Wayne Els said:
LR will support it apparently.

http://www.cnet.com/news/adobe-to-s...-mark-iv/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b&linkId=28067507
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That's interesting. Kind of wish I was a Canon shooter now :LOL:

I've been thinking about this camera and how people are saying it's a disappointing upgrade, but what else could they offer. What do we want from upgrades:-

1. Better AF - Check
2. Better sensor performance - Check (most likely)
3. Better video (if you're into that kind of thing) - Check
4. Better processor - Check
5. Better resolution - Check
6. Better liveview performance - Check

So imo they've improved everything that they could, and added some nice new tech to boot. OK so granted, it's not the best in each of these areas but if you want that you should buy a dedicated camera in that dept. I think overall it's a decent upgrade, and even better when the price becomes more reasonable. I know some are saying that it's not really any more than the 5D3 on release, but that for me doesn't make it any less expensive.
 
snerkler said:
That's interesting. Kind of wish I was a Canon shooter now :LOL:

I've been thinking about this camera and how people are saying it's a disappointing upgrade, but what else could they offer. What do we want from upgrades:-

1. Better AF - Check
2. Better sensor performance - Check (most likely)
3. Better video (if you're into that kind of thing) - Check
4. Better processor - Check
5. Better resolution - Check
6. Better liveview performance - Check

So imo they've improved everything that they could, and added some nice new tech to boot. OK so granted, it's not the best in each of these areas but if you want that you should buy a dedicated camera in that dept. I think overall it's a decent upgrade, and even better when the price becomes more reasonable. I know some are saying that it's not really any more than the 5D3 on release, but that for me doesn't make it any less expensive.
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...and will 99% photographers run out of talent before they get anywhere near its limits? - check!

We really are spoilt when kit like this gets criticised.
 
There isn't a camera out there that's the best at everything. Doesn't exist.

It's been developed to sit neatly into the body range. Far enough away from the 5DS/R and far enough ahead of the 6D to allow an upgrade to that.

It will be a great all round camera without specialising in one field, which is what a lot of people want.

Canon has lagged behind in sensor development, especially at low ISO. They have now started to address this and if that improvement continues in this body then it will have taken a big step forwards. In everything else Canon and Nikon have played leapfrog. Canon are competing with Nikon and neither has any feature that is a game changer. The rest of the manufacturers go on their merry way introducing all manner of neat ideas but the vast majority of Nikon/ Canon users couldn't care less because the camera that they use does the job better overall.
 
I have a feeling that pros will vote with their wallets, whereas amateurs (like me) will bitch and moan that it doesn't have anti-gravity capability or an auto 'take a picture of my cat' function. As someone pointed out, someone won a competition earlier this year using a 5D Mark II.

Getting out and getting yourself into a situation to take a great photograph, is perhaps less exciting than sitting at the computer, and ranting about the latest offering from Canikofuji......:exit:
 
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F/1.4 said:
View: https://youtu.be/qfL1-7q8uto


Not a fan of this guy but he has a point lol
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No, he really doesn't. I'm think Canon know pretty well how this camera will sell and who it is aimed at. Hint, people who don't spend all their time on camera review sites obsessing about and comparing numbers.

He is just playing numberwang top trumps as usual. Like many of the rest of the camera review sites.

Regards...
 
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Canon know pretty well how this camera will sell and who it is aimed at. Hint, people who don't spend all their time on camera review sites obsessing about and comparing numbers.
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In other words to die hard Canon fans with their fingers in their ears so they don't hear what's on offer from other manufacturers?

Canon are AFAIK the best selling DSLR's and I'm sure anything they make will sell in large numbers to the faithful and the tied in but for anyone who isn't in the sad position of having no choice due to the financial pain switching could cause watching a few reviews and reading a few spec sheets can be very helpful.

From the outside looking in I'm not too surprised that Canon has released a camera with an arguably underwhelming spec. They seem to be rather conservative these days and there'll be some features held back so that the new 5D doesn't hurt the sales of other Canon cameras, which is hardly surprising. The fact that the opposition offers arguably better spec'd kit maybe doesn't bother Canon all that much and I'm pretty sure they'll think they've done enough with this camera.
 
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woof woof said:
In other words to die hard Canon fans with their fingers in their ears so they don't hear what's on offer from other manufacturers?

Canon are AFAIK the best selling DSLR's and I'm sure anything they make will sell in large numbers to the faithful and the tied in but for anyone who isn't in the sad position of having no choice due to the financial pain switching could cause watching a few reviews and reading a few spec sheets can be very helpful.

From the outside looking in I'm not too surprised that Canon has released a camera with an arguably underwhelming spec. They seem to be rather conservative these days and there'll be some features held back so that the new 5D doesn't hurt the sales of other Canon cameras, which is hardly surprising. The fact that the opposition offers arguably better spec'd kit maybe doesn't bother Canon all that much and I'm pretty sure they'll think they've done enough with this camera.
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Until other manufacturers start eating into Canons sales on a like for like basis they don't need to come up with fancy gimmicks. The only other cameras I would possibly be interested in are Nikons. I have no interest whatsoever in Sony, Fuji, or anything else. I don't care how good or bad they are. I, at this current point in time, do not want one. If that changes I will look at what else is on the market, but if and when I do it won't be numbers of this or numbers of that that will guide my decision and it certainly won't be listening to dicks like that bloke either
 
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I can't wait to get one... The wifi will be helpful and the better focussing is a plus too, I was hoping for less than 30mp but that's only for file size, It's just a good excuse to buy new hdds.
 
woof woof said:
From the outside looking in I'm not too surprised that Canon has released a camera with an arguably underwhelming spec.
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I'm a Nikon shooter so far from a Canon fanboy but I don't really know what else they could offer? (see my post above)

The fact that the opposition offers arguably better spec'd kit maybe doesn't bother Canon all that much and I'm pretty sure they'll think they've done enough with this camera.
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Until we get the sensor performance I'm not sure whether this is true or not. If the sensor performance is good you could argue it's better than the D810, which is probably what they're aiming it at. The issue is that the D810 is over a grand cheaper. That being said I'm sure the D810 replacement will be over £3k :rolleyes:
 
Woof Woof profile shows him as a Sony A7 owner, which might explain the sensor comments
 
Byker28i said:
Woof Woof profile shows him as a Sony A7 owner, which might explain the sensor comments
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I've not seen the sensor comments tbh, but tbf it is Canon's weakness. Will be interesting to see what they pull off with the 5D4. It should (in order to go some way to justifying the cost) be at least as good as the D810 in noise handling (preferably as good as the D750) and match the D750 in DR. I think anything below this will be seen as disappointing. YMMV.
 
The Mk3 was slated by some for its sensor and noise, but I've not found an issue in normal use, unnoticeable upto ISO 12800, and if you push further than that then it's always a compromise, the image v noise.
I've taken images at ISO128000 (maxed out) in near darkness, noisy yup, but incredible to even get a usable image.

Sonys A7 sensor is supposed to be excellant. Sony owners always say every sensor is disappointing :D


End of the day it's a tool for taking images. Sometimes you need the features, but many times you dont.
If it turns out as good or better than the mk3 then itll be a winner
 
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Byker28i said:
Woof Woof profile shows him as a Sony A7 owner, which might explain the sensor comments
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I didn't make any comments about any sensors...

I shot with Nikon for something like 20 years then with Canon for something in excess of 10 years and now I have Sony and Panasonic mirrorless cameras as these suit me better than DSLR's.
 
Byker28i said:
The Mk3 was slated by some for its sensor and noise, but I've not found an issue in normal use, unnoticeable upto ISO 12800, and if you push further than that then it's always a compromise, the image v noise.
I've taken images at ISO128000 (maxed out) in near darkness, noisy yup, but incredible to even get a usable image.

Sonys A7 sensor is supposed to be excellant. Sony owners always say every sensor is disappointing :D


End of the day it's a tool for taking images. Sometimes you need the features, but many times you dont.
If it turns out as good or better than the mk3 then itll be a winner
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I think part of it is being spoilt, but when you're used to the DR and shadow recovery of Nikon (or Sony) the Canon DR and shadow recovery is then disappointing. If you've never used Nikony then you don't know so it doesn't bother you. The trouble is no-body wants to take a backwards step, and no matter how much I like some of Canon's glass it's this that puts me off the change (as well as the cost of the system change)
 
Gaz J said:
Until other manufacturers start eating into Canons sales on a like for like basis they don't need to come up with fancy gimmicks. The only other cameras I would possibly be interested in are Nikons. I have no interest whatsoever in Sony, Fuji, or anything else. I don't care how good or bad they are. I, at this current point in time, do not want one. If that changes I will look at what else is on the market, but if and when I do it won't be numbers of this or numbers of that that will guide my decision and it certainly won't be listening to dicks like that bloke either
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My my... such... I don't know what? Angst? Fancy gimmicks? Not caring? Dicks? My my...

Your fancy gimmick might just be someone else's killer feature and although looking at numbers and reviews might not be for you for others they're worthwhile and may well make decisions a bit easier.

It's always a bit of a risk posting in threads like this so I better just say that I was actually defending Canon a little... and with that I'm out.
 
Byker28i said:
The Mk3 was slated by some for its sensor and noise, but I've not found an issue in normal use, unnoticeable upto ISO 12800, and if you push further than that then it's always a compromise, the image v noise.
I've taken images at ISO128000 (maxed out) in near darkness, noisy yup, but incredible to even get a usable image.

Sonys A7 sensor is supposed to be excellant. Sony owners always say every sensor is disappointing :D


End of the day it's a tool for taking images. Sometimes you need the features, but many times you dont.
If it turns out as good or better than the mk3 then itll be a winner
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mk3 sensor is pretty good and most shooters myself included are very happy with it. It is not as receptive to heavy shadow recovery like some of the others out there (while being better or significantly better in other areas), but it is realistically just minor criticism or a wishlist item.
 
snerkler said:
I think part of it is being spoilt, but when you're used to the DR and shadow recovery of Nikon (or Sony) the Canon DR and shadow recovery is then disappointing. If you've never used Nikony then you don't know so it doesn't bother you. The trouble is no-body wants to take a backwards step, and no matter how much I like some of Canon's glass it's this that puts me off the change (as well as the cost of the system change)
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I've seen what Nikon bodies produce, and yes it allows more to be done in those rare extreme cases, but frankly it would be the higher megapixel count that would be the top feature. Is it worth selling all my great canon lenses, great all-rounder bodies to get it? Hell no.
The ridiculously rich of this forum might just be able to run multiple systems or even better get medium format and be done with changing and bitching.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
I've seen what Nikon bodies produce, and yes it allows more to be done in those rare extreme cases,
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I shoot a lot of landscapes so it's not rare ;)
but frankly it would be the higher megapixel count that would be the top feature
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Well down the list for me, although I did nearly change to the D810 recently for more crop ability.
Is it worth selling all my great canon lenses, great all-rounder bodies to get it? Hell no.
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Definitely not no, but that wasn't the discussion ;) :p

I wasn't 'bagging' on Canon btw, was just pointing out that for some it can be a step backwards. I'm very intrigued to see what the 5D4 brings to the table though.
 
woof woof said:
My my... such... I don't know what? Angst? Fancy gimmicks? Not caring? Dicks? My my...

Your fancy gimmick might just be someone else's killer feature and although looking at numbers and reviews might not be for you for others they're worthwhile and may well make decisions a bit easier.

It's always a bit of a risk posting in threads like this so I better just say that I was actually defending Canon a little... and with that I'm out.
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Don't patronise me. My opinions are as valid as anyone's. Don't like them, don't read them
 
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