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And that’s ok too!But I myself am already even more generations behind and perfectly happy with my 70d.
And that’s ok too!But I myself am already even more generations behind and perfectly happy with my 70d.
So the cost of this new 'entry' system is around £5k with the new f2.0 zoom lens - wow !!!!!
I've been following the development of capture enhancement software being implemented into mobile phones and they are seriously catching DSLR/mirrorless up. My view is that in the very near future all of these thousand pound cameras and lenses will be made obsolete, by something that costs significantly less and fits into your pocket. Certainly for users just wanting to take high quality portrait and landscape photos.
So the cost of this new 'entry' system is around £5k with the new f2.0 zoom lens - wow !!!!!
I've been following the development of capture enhancement software being implemented into mobile phones and they are seriously catching DSLR/mirrorless up. My view is that in the very near future all of these thousand pound cameras and lenses will be made obsolete, by something that costs significantly less and fits into your pocket. Certainly for users just wanting to take high quality portrait and landscape photos.
If people nitpick between APSC and 35mm FF sensor then they will forever nitpick phone sensor vs FF sensor.
I know this topic around dust on the sensors is user use specific but do you turn the camera off when changing lenses?
I always turn my camera off when changing lenses and yet to really have any big issues with dust on my sensors.
If that's your reasoning, why upgrade at all?
Unfortunately the cost of FF seems to be creeping up again..... mainly due to new features / higher specifications etcSo the cost of this new 'entry' system is around £5k with the new f2.0 zoom lens - wow !!!!!
I've been following the development of capture enhancement software being implemented into mobile phones and they are seriously catching DSLR/mirrorless up. My view is that in the very near future all of these thousand pound cameras and lenses will be made obsolete, by something that costs significantly less and fits into your pocket. Certainly for users just wanting to take high quality portrait and landscape photos.
No lol, it's rare I go on that site, the layout bugs meHave you been reading dpreview again hehehe someone made a thread about it!
I remember @rookies having an issue like this with one of his A7's, he took it back in the end as the sensor just got filthy with very little use. I'm not sure if it's a fault, or whether some cameras just happen to be worse than others. I don't think he's had the same issues with his A7iii though.This is one area where the A73 is horrible, I usually have to clean it every other day and this is something I didn't have to do with my old camera. It's not the end of the world as it's a very small thing but I'd certainly be happy for it to no longer be a regular ritual.
Canon and Nikon seem to be not giving much value in their camera mirrorless bodies, features v cost wise imho, but they are definitely offering lenses at the higher end of the market. Maybe they feel their adapter's work so well with their DSLR lenses that there are cost effective options available.Unfortunately the cost of FF seems to be creeping up again..... mainly due to new features / higher specifications etc
From a performance vs price perspective, I think the Fuji X range represents a good middle ground. Decent bodies and lenses if you can live with a non-FF system.
I've read of other peoples problems and I do have trouble understanding how an anal geek like me who is obsessed with dust bunnies can have few issues despite changing lenses willy nilly whilst other have many. Maybe the fact that I mostly use primes is a factor as zooms can I assume be dust pumps.
Sorry if you're already using a dust bunny preventing technique. I think that all we can do is try and cut down on the issue but I don't think it's ever going away completely.
But the fact that others seem to have issues whilst I (a serial and multiple lens changer in any and all conditions) don't seems at least interesting. Zooms may be a part of the issue but I use zooms on my MFT kit with similarly low issues.I am, this is just one of the trade off's for using the Sony, I'm hoping ideas like Canon's will make this less of a problem in the future but as I've said repeatedly it's not that big of a deal as we're talking less than a minute of my time to fix, it just bugs me a little because it was something I almost never had to worry about with my old camera.
But the fact that others seem to have issues whilst I (a serial and multiple lens changer in any and all conditions) don't seems at least interesting. Zooms may be a part of the issue but I use zooms on my MFT kit with similarly low issues.
No lol, it's rare I go on that site, the layout bugs me
I remember @rookies having an issue like this with one of his A7's, he took it back in the end as the sensor just got filthy with very little use. I'm not sure if it's a fault, or whether some cameras just happen to be worse than others. I don't think he's had the same issues with his A7iii though.
All valid points.I suppose a lot hangs on your definition of "very near future" but in my definition I'd say there's no chance, zero.
At the mo smartphone or anything like a smartphone or tablet or anything else similar we may envisage pictures can look lovely on the phone or tablet but on my pc they show issues both in image quality and due to the settings, for example shots which look sharp on the small smartphone screen are often revealed to be suffering motion blur due to too slow a shutter speed or mushiness due to the restraints of the small sensor.
I would say that for people who look closely at pictures smartphones / portable device things are at the moment waaaaaay behind 1" and MFT never mind FF and will be for a while.
And then you've got the 28mm FoV which is fine if that's what you want but not so good if you like 50 or 85 or any other FoV. Yes I know that dual lens smartphones exist (I think...) but there are a lot of focal lengths you can easily use on dedicated cameras.
YMMV and if all you want is a picture to look at as a whole picture on a smartphone they're probably lovely.
All valid points.
I think the photo output is they key point.
Do people still print large scale hard copies which the high-end equipment allows, or, are most images published to social media and printed into hand held photobooks? If it's the later then I suggest the (near future) down-scaled mobile cameras are enough to meet this requirement.
These are pro requirements though. I can't imagine many people buying into main stream mirrorless / DSLR formats are displaying their work in art galleries and onto ad boards.They do in art galleries and pro work like advertisement boards etc
Correcto mundoI don’t think Canon ever remotely tried to match the Sony A73. The first incarnation of anything in engineering is always the hardest to pull off. It’s a lot easier to advance with the next and subsequent tries.
As with a lot of their releases they built what they thought they needed to build to appeal to their existing customer base. To allow them to switch to a mid range ML and continue to use their existing lenses. In the real world outside forums such as these that’s all they need to do. They won’t expect to attract anyone who’s using a Sony ML and probably couldn’t care less.
It will give its users excellent image quality and all the b*****ks about an extra .75 EV at ISO 64 won’t matter a damn because in the real world very few people ever need it but make out that it’s the b all and end all of what makes a camera the “best”
These non entities who post videos telling you what’s wrong with it and the numties that lap it up as being gospel just reinforce the absurdity of social media today where people make a living out of talking b*****ks.
They do in art galleries and pro work like advertisement boards etc
It will give its users excellent image quality and all the b*****ks about an extra .75 EV at ISO 64 won’t matter a damn because in the real world very few people ever need it but make out that it’s the b all and end all of what makes a camera the “best”
These non entities who post videos telling you what’s wrong with it and the numties that lap it up as being gospel just reinforce the absurdity of social media today where people make a living out of talking b*****ks.
Kai seems to like it, so its a winner lol. I didnt realise how big it is, relatively of course.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxp1h97Yx-Y
Most images are posted on social media, but that’s like asking whether most prose is posted on social media and using that for justification to not learn grammar or sell pens or word processors.All valid points.
I think the photo output is they key point.
Do people still print large scale hard copies which the high-end equipment allows, or, are most images published to social media and printed into hand held photobooks? If it's the later then I suggest the (near future) down-scaled mobile cameras are enough to meet this requirement.
Yeah, he is a bit reckless. Hardly ever uses straps on his (or the review) cameras. It makes me squirm sometimes seeing those large camera/lens combos being swung around with no straps.He seemed even more giddy and excited about the Z. That's 5K+ in his hand right there, he doesn't care about price. Even working pros will struggle to justify purchasing that combination knowing all the quirks.
Yeah, he is a bit reckless. Hardly ever uses straps on his (or the review) cameras. It makes me squirm sometimes seeing those large camera/lens combos being swung around with no straps.
I think its more the rich amateur that buys this sort of thing. I know a few working pro's that never upgrade unless something stops working, and i know loads of non pros that buy the latest as soon as it comes out. I must admit im almost in the second camp. Not a pro in anyway, but i do like shiny new things.
It does look good, but I'll have to wait and see if the artefacts are gone with this new sensor. Also, still no IBIS????Correcto mundo
I am sticking to my Sony but the Fuji XT-3 looks kind of nice lol
It does look good, but I'll have to wait and see if the artefacts are gone with this new sensor. Also, still no IBIS????
You've got a point but surely if the aim is modest requirements then the pricing doesn't really make much sense? It occurs to me there's a disconnect between how it's been designed, how it's marketed and how it's priced.
It amuses me how some of these preview/reviewers talk about this new gear as if it's very affordable and great value. A lot of people who buy combinations like that in the thumbnail will probably just turn it around to film their head most of the time There's early adapters for everything though, let them at it. We get to look on as they slowly reveal more issues before we begin to see them pop up on used sites in 'like new' condition/ I've seen youtube comments crying about the crop 4K, because they 'need' it for their channel, click though to their channel and they have like 15 subs and one unboxing video of some bit of gear ...
Kai seems to like it, so its a winner lol. I didnt realise how big it is, relatively of course.
Finally a sensible post I fully agree with. Shock horrorMost images are posted on social media, but that’s like asking whether most prose is posted on social media and using that for justification to not learn grammar or sell pens or word processors.
MOST professional image making requires qualities impossible to create with a phone camera. That’s not a throwaway theory, it’s a fact.
But whilst I’m here; I’m challenging your ridiculous assumption that ‘cheap’ phone cameras are more suitable for photography than ‘expensive high end DSLR’s’.
The only person I know well who owns an IphoneX (£1000) also owns a 300d with a 50mm prime (worth less than £150)
Are you really going to assert that the ‘fake’ processing in the IPhone actually gives results that rival that 15 year old camera and sub £100 lens?
Back to the point - phone cams are great for ‘most people’, that doesn’t mean they’re great for ‘photographers’.
All valid points.
I think the photo output is they key point.
Do people still print large scale hard copies which the high-end equipment allows, or, are most images published to social media and printed into hand held photobooks? If it's the later then I suggest the (near future) down-scaled mobile cameras are enough to meet this requirement.
Nope, will be keeping my 5Dsr and adding a 5DIV or 1Dx2 to it soon I think.
What a lot of people tend to forget that for a lot of us its a hobby, and we all enjoy our hobbies in different ways. We dont have to justify the outlay, if we get enjoyment from new gear what's the problem?
So what if someone wants to buy a £4000 camera just to post on Facebook, its the enjoyment part thats....well, enjoyable.
Thats my take anyway.
What a lot of people tend to forget that for a lot of us its a hobby, and we all enjoy our hobbies in different ways. We dont have to justify the outlay, if we get enjoyment from new gear what's the problem?
So what if someone wants to buy a £4000 camera just to post on Facebook, its the enjoyment part thats....well, enjoyable.
Thats my take anyway.
....Phew! I am so glad you said that because it applies to me - Just add Flickr to Facebook.
Life is too short (literally when you are in your 70s like me) and getting out there to photograph wildlife is good for my soul and also challenging. 'Tis a bit addictive too and perhaps I am also a GearSlut (who uses all his gear).
I'm wondering how the new Canon EOS-R mirrorless body compares with the EOS-M5 both in physical size and spec.