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Am i alone on this or does anyone else think Canon are well behind Nikon when you compare the 5DMKII to the D700?:thumbsdown:

I have never know a time when so many people on forums are moving from Canon to Nikon Canon and wonder why Canon are taking so long to bring out a Camera that can bring the next level of Full frame to the masses?:nono:

I have a 7D because it offers so much more than the 5DMKII but i would like all these features in a full frame body and be able to still shoot Canon and not have to sell up all my kit to get a camera i want:bang:
 
GRECIAN said:
This i have to hear,,,, How?
Video is the only thing i can think of.
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Colour rendition, resolution and detail to be getting on with.

The one thing that always makes me laugh about the D700 reviews are how they jump on the ISO performance bandwagon. What most fail to mention is that noise at comparable resolutions is very, very low on the 5DMKII.

Don't get me wrong the D700 looks like a great camera and I almost bought one but neither one is a clear winner - pick what suits you.
 
GRECIAN said:
Am i alone on this or does anyone else think Canon are well behind Nikon when you compare the 5DMKII to the D700?:thumbsdown:
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the success of the 5DMKII would suggest otherwise.
 
Welcome to the frustrating world of owning a camera. Canon were on top, now Nikon have moved ahead, that will change again in the future, but perhaps more frequently, especially as the other brands become more established and Nikon and Canon can't be so complacent with there releases.

As for changing systems, depends how much you have invested and whether you really need to change, because unless you making a serious living off your photo's, What's the point!!!! Canon might jump ahead again or Sony releases something that knocks the socks off both brands, do you change back?

Why isn't your current system delivering?, what lenses do you have?. Put a £$%^ lens on either a canon or nikon, you still get £$%^ image.

Personally, I wish canon would introduce or upgrade to the 100-400mm and making it an f4 through the range. I'm sure nikon users have similar wants rather than another camera body
 
You can argue this either way.

But I recently changed to full frame with a 5D2 and sold practically all my crop format Canon stuff, so it wouldn't have cost any more to switch to Nikon.

The D700 is fantastic for sure, but the 5D2 has a better sensor (IMHO, and for what I want) and I just don't need the extra things the D700 does. Plus, and this is the big one, the Canon lenses range is stronger, particularly in the area I want, ie the f/4 L range - 17-40L 4, 24-105L 4, and 70-200L 4 IS. Nikon just doesn't have that offering (apart from the superwide).

The 5D3, as and when, will surely combine the best features of the 5D2 and 7D, probably with a 30mp sensor. And then Nikon will be looking second best (again :D ).
 
HoppyUK said:
You can argue this either way.

But I recently changed to full frame with a 5D2 and sold practically all my crop format Canon stuff, so it wouldn't have cost any more to switch to Nikon.

The D700 is fantastic for sure, but the 5D2 has a better sensor (IMHO, and for what I want) and I just don't need the extra things the D700 does. Plus, and this is the big one, the Canon lenses range is stronger, particularly in the area I want, ie the f/4 L range - 17-40L 4, 24-105L 4, and 70-200L 4 IS. Nikon just doesn't have that offering (apart from the superwide).

The 5D3, as and when, will surely combine the best features of the 5D2 and 7D, probably with a 30mp sensor. And then Nikon will be looking second best (again :D ).
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I think it's just that Canon are the market leader when it comes to cheap, amateur f/4 lenses...:D
 
GRECIAN said:
Am i alone on this or does anyone else think Canon are well behind Nikon when you compare the 5DMKII to the D700?:thumbsdown:

I have never know a time when so many people on forums are moving from Canon to Nikon Canon and wonder why Canon are taking so long to bring out a Camera that can bring the next level of Full frame to the masses?:nono:

I have a 7D because it offers so much more than the 5DMKII but i would like all these features in a full frame body and be able to still shoot Canon and not have to sell up all my kit to get a camera i want:bang:
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Does it really matter? Would you be taking better photos if you had a Nikon D700?
 
I think you're right....that's why I bought Canon, they produce some excellent F4 glass at sensible prices, as an amateur that wants good quality glass that doesn't cost stupid money or break your back, it's a definite plus point.
 
A friend of mine swapped from the Nikon D700 to the 5D2 - He is as pleased as punch, takes seriously good pics with any kit and rates the Canon above his Nikon, not only the camera, but also the glass. His wife kept the Nikon stuff and he the Canon.

As said, horses for courses I guess.
 
Arkady said:
I think it's just that Canon are the market leader when it comes to cheap, amateur f/4 lenses...:D
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Market leaders in high-end, pro-spec, low f/number, zooms and primes too :p

Edit: being more serious ;) while Nikon undoubtedly pulled masterstroke with the D3 and all that followed from that, and a lot of pros swapped over because of it, many of them will now be looking ruefully at the Canon lens range and also the new 1D4. Nikon are just second best on the lens front, no two ways about it.
 
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SamHH said:
Does it really matter? Would you be taking better photos if you had a Nikon D700?
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Yes, the Af system on the 5D MKII is very basic to say the lest and even the AF on the 7D is good but not as good as the tracking on a Nikon.

I guess i am quiet lucky as my Brother in law has a D700 so i have been able to use both, i think the 7D suits me on a Canon far more than a 5D MKII but i would prefer a D700 with Canon lenses or at least Canon lens prices lol.
 
GRECIAN said:
Yes, the Af system on the 5D MKII is very basic to say the lest and even the AF on the 7D is good but not as good as the tracking on a Nikon.

I guess i am quiet lucky as my Brother in law has a D700 so i have been able to use both, i think the 7D suits me on a Canon far more than a 5D MKII but i would prefer a D700 with Canon lenses or at least Canon lens prices lol.
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Have there actually been an instance where the AF on the 5D2 has not been satisfactory for what you photograph; or is it just based on technical data and heresay from others?

I'm not diminishing the D700 in anyway, but I have yet to find an issue with the 5D2 AF.
 
You have to ask yourself what are the cameras for? Canon have to separate out their range to keep on selling it. The 5DII as a portrait and landscape camera makes sense. The 1D4 (and 7D) as the action/sports/wildlife camera also makes sense. If you combine them all into 1, canon will sell less cameras and you may end up with something that can do all of the above but is just not as good as the separate entities! I guess that is buisness for you...
 
GRECIAN said:
Am i alone on this or does anyone else think Canon are well behind Nikon when you compare the 5DMKII to the D700?:thumbsdown:

I have never know a time when so many people on forums are moving from Canon to Nikon Canon and wonder why Canon are taking so long to bring out a Camera that can bring the next level of Full frame to the masses?:nono:

I have a 7D because it offers so much more than the 5DMKII but i would like all these features in a full frame body and be able to still shoot Canon and not have to sell up all my kit to get a camera i want:bang:
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Erm isn't that the 1D range?
 
boyfalldown said:
you carry on thinking that if it makes you happy :lol:
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Haha! It does.

Why did you edit out the words "and primes" from my quote? Aren't they the mainstay of professional sport photography? Canon are cheaper too :D

gnom said:
Have there actually been an instance where the AF on the 5D2 has not been satisfactory for what you photograph; or is it just based on technical data and heresay from others?

I'm not diminishing the D700 in anyway, but I have yet to find an issue with the 5D2 AF.
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Me neither. Point it at the subject, it focuses. Very accurately and with great consistency in my experience. Does everything I ask of it. Given all the hearsay, I wasn't expecting it to be as good as it is. It's fine :)

Sure, there are faster AF systems that will maybe work in more testing conditions, but nothing that I shoot, or anything for which the camera was intended.

The fact that there may be better AF systems out there does not mean that the 5D2's AF is poor in any way.
 
HoppyUK said:
Haha! It does.

Why did you edit out the words "and primes" from my quote? Aren't they the mainstay of professional sport photography? Canon are cheaper too :D
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I had hoped you wouldn't notice :D. No idea about sports or canon's prices but I do think a couple of updates to Nikon's sub 100mm fast primes wouldn't hurt the range though
 
Byker28i said:
Erm isn't that the 1D range?
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Agree. I think the 1D4 is a better camera for long lens and sports photography than anything currently from Nikon (mainly because of the 1.3x crop factor trick) plus the Canon lens advantage.

What happened when pros started swapping is that Canon grew a lemon with the 1D3's problematic AF (real or imagined) at the same time as Nikon came out with the sensational D3.

But Canon fixed the 1D3, and have improved on it with the 1D4. Sorted.

Next up will be the 1Ds4 and 5D3, and with luck some choice new lenses (while Nikon are still busy plugging the gaps in their range). Goodnight Nikon :D
 
HoppyUK said:
Me neither. Point it at the subject, it focuses. Very accurately and with great consistency in my experience. Does everything I ask of it. Given all the hearsay, I wasn't expecting it to be as good as it is. It's fine :)
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I don't have a 5DII but I was running a workshop in Norway last week photography white tailed eagles diving for fish and one of the group had a 5DII and seemed to be turning out excellent results with it...
 
boyfalldown said:
I had hoped you wouldn't notice :D. No idea about sports or canon's prices but I do think a couple of updates to Nikon's sub 100mm fast primes wouldn't hurt the range though
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:) It's all good fun though isn't it. If I had to make do with Sony it wouldn't make a jot of difference to my pictures. Nor most other people's I suspect. Heck, I even took one or two good pictures with an Olympus once! :eek:
 
HoppyUK said:
:) It's all good fun though isn't it. If I had to make do with Sony it wouldn't make a jot of difference to my pictures. Nor most other people's I suspect. Heck, I even took one or two good pictures with an Olympus once! :eek:
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I think you may be right there, much as I'll deny it :)
 
HoppyUK said:
Agree. I think the 1D4 is a better camera for long lens and sports photography than anything currently from Nikon (mainly because of the 1.3x crop factor trick) plus the Canon lens advantage.

What happened when pros started swapping is that Canon grew a lemon with the 1D3's problematic AF (real or imagined) at the same time as Nikon came out with the sensational D3.

But Canon fixed the 1D3, and have improved on it with the 1D4. Sorted.

Next up will be the 1Ds4 and 5D3, and with luck some choice new lenses (while Nikon are still busy plugging the gaps in their range). Goodnight Nikon :D
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You seem to forget the sensational D3 and its evolutions are long due for a complete overhaul and it has taken an age for canon to catch up, the D4 could do what the D3 did for Nikon some 3 or 4 years ago and have the Cannon bods committing hari-kari.......... upped MP, stupidly high ISO and a new auto focus system to name a few. The games only just started:D
 
Colour rendition, resolution and detail to be getting on with.
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Colour rendition is just what you are use to, Canon users like Canon colours and Nikon users Nikons, either are easily tweaked onboard or in PP.

Resolution got to give you that one but i still think 21 mps is a bit OTT.

Detail, sorry not sure what you mean, are you saying the 5DMKII has better IQ?
 
hsuffyan said:
the success of the 5DMKII would suggest otherwise.
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I think this is the fact that Canon owners are or should i say were faithful to the name, it was only when they realised how far behind canon were that they started jumping ship.
 
GRECIAN said:
Colour rendition is just what you are use to, Canon users like Canon colours and Nikon users Nikons, either are easily tweaked onboard or in PP.

Resolution got to give you that one but i still think 21 mps is a bit OTT.

Detail, sorry not sure what you mean, are you saying the 5DMKII has better IQ?
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How is it over the top if its rendered perfectly? I'd absolutely love 100 megapixels, rendered absolutely perfect, shot at 8fps and with the AF of my 7D. There is no over the top amount of pixels, just so long as they are rendered correctly.
 
Gadget-Guy said:
Its not what youve got its how you use it :D
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Sure i have to agree, however you can only use what your given, i cant use the 51 point AF as it does not have it, i cant use the onboard flash because it does not have it, i cant use the VR because it does not have it, i cant use the onboard photo croping and pp, as it does not have it, i cant use the AF tracking because it does not have it. I COULD GO ON

This is my point, Canon users deserve all these features and more, forget video just give us an up to date SLR which delivers.
 
gnom said:
Have there actually been an instance where the AF on the 5D2 has not been satisfactory for what you photograph; or is it just based on technical data and heresay from others?

I'm not diminishing the D700 in anyway, but I have yet to find an issue with the 5D2 AF.
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Yes with a 5D MKII AF tracking is impossible, so i had to buy a 7D for my BIF.
 
I have a 450d and am not far off wanting something more. I'd go for the 5DMK2 purely based on all the shots I've seen using it. I don't want another crop sensor so the 7D isn't an option for me. I do feel like I might be buying just before the price plummets though so I'll make do with what I've got. Probably.. ;-)
 
Skyline On Fire said:
How is it over the top if its rendered perfectly? I'd absolutely love 100 megapixels, rendered absolutely perfect, shot at 8fps and with the AF of my 7D. There is no over the top amount of pixels, just so long as they are rendered correctly.
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I think for the average bloke on the street 21 is not required.
If you run a PC that can render your 100 mps through CS4 good luck to you.
 
5D3 will hopefully physically feel as good as the 7D does to hold - the 5D2 definately feels cheaper than the 7D imo.

Also the screen isn't as good on the 5D2 as opposed to the 7D

drew
 
GRECIAN said:
Yes, the Af system on the 5D MKII is very basic to say the lest and even the AF on the 7D is good but not as good as the tracking on a Nikon.

I guess i am quiet lucky as my Brother in law has a D700 so i have been able to use both, i think the 7D suits me on a Canon far more than a 5D MKII but i would prefer a D700 with Canon lenses or at least Canon lens prices lol.
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Buy that camera then. :)
 
pete.rush said:
Personally, I wish canon would introduce or upgrade to the 100-400mm and making it an f4 through the range. I'm sure nikon users have similar wants rather than another camera body
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I'd be happy with a 70-300L or, if I can't have that, a minor upgrade of the 100-400L with four stop image stabilisation (important for me, probably less so for others).
 
Just buy a D700

I think it is great that there is choice between resolution and other features between the manufacturers to be honest. That leads to more options for the consumer. So much better than the same basic product being available from multiple manufacturers and less choice.

The 5D3 will come, but not before the 1Ds4
 
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