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Yeah I have seen some say they don't get on with Fuji, it's all a matter of taste and personal preference, can only speak for myself. But I know if I were allowed to bring my XH1 in to work [could but, wouldn't be insured to cover any damage] I'd find it so much easier, the guys I work with keep trying to touch the screen to shoot for one, can do this in the Fuji , also the delay on the Nikon LCD can be frustrating for them
 
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live exposure preview alone is worth getting mirrorless.
Really depends on what you are doing... It's worse than useless for studio work (lighting); and the quality of the preview image also affects the autofocus (to some degree). Also, it is basically a processed jpeg you are seeing and not entirely accurate in regards to a raw file.
 
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I brought my first mirrorless second hand to use my existing lenses in a tilt adapter. (Very much cheaper than a tile lens).
I subsequently found it had advantages over my DSLRs for many kinds of shooting. In the last 8 or so years I've expanded my mirrorless set up considerably - I do still use my DSLRs occasionally & still find them marginally better for motorsports.

There are numerous posts on line from photographers who swear they can't get on with an EVF even though I generally prefer them.

Given the wide variety of responses to them I'd suggest having a good try before switching - borrow or hire one similar to the model you think you might switch to. Switching & then going back would be very expensive.

I have never fully switched, using multiple mirrorless systems but still keeping my DSLRs too. If it wasn't for the fact all my cameras are at least 5 years old my approach would be excessively expensive.
 
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I’ve seen your photos and I’m in awe of your abilities and others posting bird photos using Olympus, however I’m in need of as much help as I can get! I’ve borrowed an OM-D E1 mkii and an R6, the R6 animal af is stunning, but to get somewhere similar I’d need an OM-D E-M1X and then the size and weight difference is being eaten into when comparing body and 100-400mm against R6 plus 100-400mm and 2x tc. I guess by nature I’m a prevaricator and for fear of making a mistake I’m doing nothing.
Your overthinking it gordon , you DONT need bird a.f to get a good photo ,just the right settings and good reactions . You also say your in awe of mine and others pics . Put it in perspective I have used most makes and brands of cameras and lenses over the years and have settled on Olympus due to weight and I.q ,I shoot hand held 99% of the time using a single focus point for 75% of shots which I can follow in real time on my EVF .
And when you take into account I’m 75 years old and have a dodgy ticker meaning I have to take things easy ,what are you worrying about
 
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This depends whether you’re talking about using Canon lenses on another brand (where there’ll be compromises) or on a Canon mirrorless, where they’ll work at least as well as you’re used to.
I know that current lenses could be used with an adapter but I feel that i was going to make the change I would like to buy the actual lenses designed to go with the Camera(s)
Unless you absolutely need the resolution of the 5dIV I’d say the R6 offers a lot more for similar money. Faster shooting and an infinitely better AF system.

Then I’d only sell any EFS lenses, and build from there.
 
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Lens wise, I mostly a Canon 24-70 f4 and a 70-200 f2.8, which I think will both work ok on a Canon mirrorless? (with the adapter of course)
I would also use a sigma 10-20 f3.5 which I m not sure will fit or not?
Its interesting to hear a few people suggest that its GAS in a sort of negative manner. I would have thought that everyone who has an interest in photography would like to add to there gear at some point. When I first started I took some good advice in picking up gear that wasnt too expensive to shoot for a while, and then decide where to go from there (and Im sure new folks will still be getting this advice to this day). Now when I would like to buy a full frame camera for all the obvious benefits its just GAS? The decision I need to make now is as per the thread title...

I have a couple of further queries if anyone can help:
How would one of the FF mirrorless cameras autofocus compare to my 7D for sports?
Im assuming that the low light capabilities of the new FF mirrorless would be way ahead of my current 7D and 550D? (something I have gradually become more disappointed with)
With regards to extending the focal length, are there extenders available for the mirrorless systems, and if so how good are they?
Am I right in thinking that Canon and Nikkon are a bit behind others (eg. SONY/FUJI) in mirrorless, but are catching up? Is sticking with Canon, so that I can use my current lenses sensible, or would a complete change to a different brand with superior gear be the right thing to do at this point? I know that everyone will have different points of view here, Im just keen to hear agruements for and against both...
 
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these answers are just from my research into Canon mirrorless so far...
How would one of the FF mirrorless cameras autofocus compare to my 7D for sports?
Much better.

Im assuming that the low light capabilities of the new FF mirrorless would be way ahead of my current 7D and 550D? (something I have gradually become more disappointed with)
Yes much better, particularly the eye AF, watch the YouTube vids demonstrating eye AF or animal eye AF.

Am I right in thinking that Canon and Nikkon are a bit behind others (eg. SONY/FUJI) in mirrorless, but are catching up? Is sticking with Canon, so that I can use my current lenses sensible, or would a complete change to a different brand with superior gear be the right thing to do at this point? I know that everyone will have different points of view here, Im just keen to hear agruements for and against both...
The Canon have certainly caught up with the Sony which was the gold standard. I don’t think the Fuji AF is close to being as good as the latest Canon or Sony’s.
 
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Thanks folks, would it be fair to say that the iq at high iso would also be vastly improved compared to my current cameras?
Starting to think that an r6 might be my best option?
 
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Thanks folks, would it be fair to say that the iq at high iso would also be vastly improved compared to my current cameras?
Starting to think that an r6 might be my best option?
My 6d is night and day better than my 7d, I believe the R6 is better still.
 
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Dxomark give test score for sports low light iso, 7D 1082, R6 3394 so yes that’s a big improvement.
 
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You need to be clear on what you want to achieve. Recently, I bought into ML but just to reduce the weight I had to carry. I was using a Canon 5D MkIV with various Canon lenses. I have bought a Sony A6600 and with a selection of Sony E lenses. I also bought the adaptor so could attached my Canon lenses but have no specific plans to do so. Because of Lockdown, I have had few chanced to use my Sony yet though it does seem to perform well enough. I am keeping my Canon kit for now. I find the Menu and screen on the Sony annoying compared to the touch screen on the Canon. I expect that I will still use the Canon on occasions when I do not have to carry it any distance e.g. studio work.

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I just arrived in a similar predicament. I'd been frugal lately but it was time to update my DSLR. I wanted to get back into street, urban and landscape after years of mostly macro and product and the thought of lugging huge amounts of gear around didn't exactly excite. The last time I shot these genres in earnest was back in my 20s when I shot live up and coming bands in Sweden and Scandinavia where I lived for many years. Back then I used a Leica M6TTL and 3 fast Leica primes but a rangefinder wasn't going to work for my macro and product work and I wasn't about to invest into 2 systems. Mirrorless, therefore, seemed the obvious road to take. Having used an X-T1 for some time, Fujifilm was an obvious choice and an X-T30/X-T3 was on the cards but after a little mulling and debate on here I was rightly persuaded to go FF as I have quite a decent range of vintage lenses that I want to utilise on the street. Sony was an option and several on here suggested I go that route but I eventually opted to stick with what I know and ordered a new Nikon Z5. Lens-wise, I'm not heavily invested into DX so changing that around won't be a problem. I was a tad disappointed to find the FTZ adapter didn't allow AF on the older AF-D lenses but hey ho. All that said, my decision to go mirrorless had little to do with demise of the DSLR. I think they will be around for many years to come and if I were doing studio work only I'd have upgraded to another DSLR in a heartbeat.
 
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DSLR and indeed SLR's have their charms but I think a FF mirrorless camera is the best thing to use old lenses on if you want to be able to pixel peep and see that the focus is exactly where you wanted it to be.
 
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Keep going back and fourth between a 5div or an R6.
Can anybody on here let me know what benefits the 5div would have over the R6, apart from battery life and build quality (if any)?
 
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I just arrived in a similar predicament. I'd been frugal lately but it was time to update my DSLR. I wanted to get back into street, urban and landscape after years of mostly macro and product and the thought of lugging huge amounts of gear around didn't exactly excite. The last time I shot these genres in earnest was back in my 20s when I shot live up and coming bands in Sweden and Scandinavia where I lived for many years. Back then I used a Leica M6TTL and 3 fast Leica primes but a rangefinder wasn't going to work for my macro and product work and I wasn't about to invest into 2 systems. Mirrorless, therefore, seemed the obvious road to take. Having used an X-T1 for some time, Fujifilm was an obvious choice and an X-T30/X-T3 was on the cards but after a little mulling and debate on here I was rightly persuaded to go FF as I have quite a decent range of vintage lenses that I want to utilise on the street. Sony was an option and several on here suggested I go that route but I eventually opted to stick with what I know and ordered a new Nikon Z5. Lens-wise, I'm not heavily invested into DX so changing that around won't be a problem. I was a tad disappointed to find the FTZ adapter didn't allow AF on the older AF-D lenses but hey ho. All that said, my decision to go mirrorless had little to do with demise of the DSLR. I think they will be around for many years to come and if I were doing studio work only I'd have upgraded to another DSLR in a heartbeat.
I’ve just found a old nikon D700 I had in the cupboard. Having been using Sony mirrorless for the last couple years it was surprising how big it felt. Mirrorless cameras maybe smaller/lighter but FF lenses are generally the same size barring a few that have been redesign and are smaller.
 
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Yep, forgot to mention resolution... although its been said that unless you are printing large scale, the difference is not massive?
 
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Yep, forgot to mention resolution... although its been said that unless you are printing large scale, the difference is not massive?
I’ve never owned a camera in excess of 21mpix, and my next camera is definitely the R6. But if comparing the 5dIV with the R6, it could be a consideration.

I’ve delivered A3 spreads in wedding albums from much lower spec’d cameras, I have no concerns at all.
 
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Switch. New gear gear is fun! Also you get to build up a new set of lenses from scratch which usually streamlines your kit.
 
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So the r6 is best in all other areas then?
There's no such thing as 'best', as Tim says, it's about whatever suits your needs.

All I can say is that for me, I was planning to buy a 5dIV this year, and I'm getting an R6 instead, because it does seem to be a more capable camera for my needs. Other people may have perfectly valid reasons to choose the opposite.
 
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