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Hi everyone

First of all I really apologise if this has already been covered in other posts but I was really reluctant to hijack someone else's thread for my own requirements!
I currently use an iphone for taking everyday photos ( shocking I know) and I have been back and forth about buying a DSLR camera for about a year now but I am just totally overwhelmed. I want to take some really great landscape shots as we do lots of hiking, but I also want to use my camera for interior shots for interior design purposes and relatively close-up shots of portfolio work. I was set on a Nikon D3400 and then adding lenses as I go but the more I research the more options available. I also have and use Photoshop for other purposes and would be quite happy teaching myself more in terms of editing photos.

My main questions are:

- should I upgrade to a weather proof camera such as a Pentax K70 - is this super useful or just another unnecessary expense?
- I know I will most likely get a standard lens such as a 18-55 or a 18-105, which other lenses will I most likely need and quickly for landscape photography ,wide-angle, telephoto?
- Should I scrap the DSLR camera option altogether and buy a mirrorless smaller interchangeable lens camera which may be lighter and cheaper to get me started, any suggestions? also are there weatherproof versions of these smaller cameras?

I would really like to get started for £500 but can stretch to £1000 if I think I will get the use out of the equipment. I'd appreciate any help you can offer!
Thanks very much in advance

Kind regards

Charlotte
 
Hi Charlotte, I did a similar thing a few months ago and ended up buying a good condition, low use used Nikon D7100 and a Sigma 17-50mm lens. The weather sealed body has been tested on quite a few occasions, although I do tend to put a bag over both in anything heavier than light rain. I already had a decent tripod and a few other bits and bobs from a previous camera, which I had replaced with a small Sony RX100 for taking portfolio shots and gallery shots of paintings. I bought the Nikon to give me more flexibility for landscapes. It obviously does the job of taking images of artwork too.

I have since added another lens or two.
 
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Hi there

This is interesting - maybe a slightly used camera at a higher end range could be a better option. I like the look of the mirrorless Sony Alpha a6300 but it's a bit pricey, however the Pentax k-70 looks really good for outdoor stuff. Did you buy online or from a local photography shop?

Thanks for your input

Charlotte
 
1 - should I upgrade to a weather proof camera such as a Pentax K70 - is this super useful or just another unnecessary expense?
2 - I know I will most likely get a standard lens such as a 18-55 or a 18-105, which other lenses will I most likely need and quickly for landscape photography ,wide-angle, telephoto?
3 - Should I scrap the DSLR camera option altogether and buy a mirrorless smaller interchangeable lens camera which may be lighter and cheaper to get me started, any suggestions? also are there weatherproof versions of these smaller cameras?


Hi, Charlotte and welcome to TP.

I'll give my tuppence worth. I've added numbers to your questions to help ME get my answers organised!

1 - If you'll be shooting outside in bad weather, weather proofing will be a great help but otherwise it's not "super useful". Can be handy if you get caught out by a sudden heavy shower.
2 - The "standard" 18-55 (or whatever) will be a good start and once you've used it for a while, you'll know if you want/need anything shorter (wider angle) or longer (telephoto). 18 is wide enough for most landscapes (IMO) and wider lenses often introduce some obvious distortion (although that's easily corrected in Lightroom [and possibly PhotoShop]).
3 - I use the Fuji X series as well as a Nikon DSLR kit - the Fujis are certainly lighter and smaller but probably not cheaper! The X-T1 and 2 bodies are weatherproof (as are some of the zooms) but I'm not so sure about others in the range.

Whatever you end up with, enjoy!
 
Hi Charlotte,

I wouldn't worry personally about weather proofing (just personal opinion). You can certainly cover your camera in other ways should you absolutely need to (bag over it etc).

Why not go for Body only and spend the rest on some used lenses? If you want to do some interior shots as well as landscape you'll need a wide angle lens (10-24, 11-16 that sort of thing) but if you want to do some more intimate close ups I would recommend a prime lens (35mm 1.8 is a great lens for the price).

The kit lenses are fine lenses and some would say 18mm is a wide angle lens but I think you might find in an interior environment it's not wide enough.

Just my opinion though!
 
Hi there

This is interesting - maybe a slightly used camera at a higher end range could be a better option. I like the look of the mirrorless Sony Alpha a6300 but it's a bit pricey, however the Pentax k-70 looks really good for outdoor stuff. Did you buy online or from a local photography shop?

Thanks for your input

Charlotte

I bought from a business seller on eBay with plenty of feedback and a good returns policy. The camera and lens have both been faultless so far.
 
People on here will generally recommend what they use, so many choices and none will be bad.

I would be tempted to get one of the lower end Canon DSLR's, plentiful with a huge range of lenses.
Don't spend a fortune first off, get out and take loads of photos to familiarise yourself with using a camera.
Personally would buy new so you don't have to be concerned checking all is well, something like this perhaps https://m.johnlewis.com/canon-eos-7..._93276be71051626190edf8d60e24fe0c&tmcampid=48


After that you can see exactly what you want and act accordingly, by then you will hopefully have gained a fair bit of knowledge.
 
Hi everyone

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond. You have all provided invaluable input. I have to say I really like the idea of the Olympus as it is a bit more compact despite the higher price, and I will take a look at the Fuji cameras. I am definitely veering towards just buying the body and the lenses I need, not a starter kit.
The weather proofing is still appealing as we live in the Alps and often hike in snow but I'll maybe try and get a good deal if possible.

Thanks again

Charlotte
 
Its virtually impossible to buy a bad camera these days, but it is very possible to buy one that doesn't suit your needs!!

The most important thing IMO is the handling of the camera, if you buy something that is uncomfortable to use, or is too fiddly, or too heavy (for alpine hikes), then it will not get used.

My advice is to visit a bricks and mortar store, and actually handle a range of cameras, find which one suits you from a handling point of view, making sure that the dials/buttons and menus structure suit you, and then find a suitable model within that range that meets your handling requirements and photography ambitions.
 
we live in the Alps and often hike in snow


Be aware that cold can effect battery life so budget for a couple of spares. Once rewarmed, the cold exhausted batteries will come back to life so keep spares in an inside pocket and put the chilled ones in another (so you don't get them mixed up!).
 
No right or wrong answers here but some of my own thoughts as someone who also likes to take a camera hiking.

If you're up high, you might find a long lens far more useful than a wide lens, I know I do. Big vistas are amazing to the naked eye but don't always come across well in photos but long lenses can pick out wonderful details that makes great photos. In an ideal world you'd have both options available so this is one of the occasions where I think super zooms make perfect sense. Covering wide to long in one lens.

Changing lenses whilst hiking is a pain, especially if it's cold or wet or both. Again, IMO super zoom lenses make a lot of sense here.

Weather resistant cameras (and lenses) open up great opportunities outdoors. Some of the most interesting landscape photos are taken in far from optimal weather.

For your use, I'd strongly agree with the suggestion of the Olympus OMD E-M5ii. It's probably going to be replaced this year so is quite good value but is still amazingly feature packed and very capable. Small and weather proof. Only downside I can see is that buttons are fiddly with gloves on. Bigger cameras are much better in that regard but then you have to carry it so swings and roundabouts. Olympus do a 14-150 lens that would work very well.
 
No right or wrong answers here but some of my own thoughts as someone who also likes to take a camera hiking.

If you're up high, you might find a long lens far more useful than a wide lens, I know I do. Big vistas are amazing to the naked eye but don't always come across well in photos but long lenses can pick out wonderful details that makes great photos. In an ideal world you'd have both options available so this is one of the occasions where I think super zooms make perfect sense. Covering wide to long in one lens.

Changing lenses whilst hiking is a pain, especially if it's cold or wet or both. Again, IMO super zoom lenses make a lot of sense here.


Weather resistant cameras (and lenses) open up great opportunities outdoors. Some of the most interesting landscape photos are taken in far from optimal weather.

For your use, I'd strongly agree with the suggestion of the Olympus OMD E-M5ii. It's probably going to be replaced this year so is quite good value but is still amazingly feature packed and very capable. Small and weather proof. Only downside I can see is that buttons are fiddly with gloves on. Bigger cameras are much better in that regard but then you have to carry it so swings and roundabouts. Olympus do a 14-150 lens that would work very well.

I think you're completely right here, landscapes lower ground level are great for wide angle but I think they lose their touch a bit when higher up, having a zoom lens means you can really go in close and capture some great details whilst also getting an overall capture. You can always pano and stitch your shots for something wider anyway!
 
Be aware that cold can effect battery life so budget for a couple of spares. Once rewarmed, the cold exhausted batteries will come back to life so keep spares in an inside pocket and put the chilled ones in another (so you don't get them mixed up!).


Also worthy of note is the Olympus EM5MK2 is freezeproof down to -10C
 
As said above just about any camera will produce decent photos so it is down to how it feels in your hands. One other thing to consider about camera at the higher end is they tend to have more dedicated controls so changing a setting is likely to be done by one button rather than having to delve into a menu on the back screen.

Dave
 
Thanks very much for the input re hiking - I am not used to hiking with anything other than an iphone but I do love it when I can just grab my phone and take a shot, and often in bad weather especially where I live! Practically, with hiking poles and all the rest of the kit, I definitely think something like the Olympus EM5 is the way to go for me. I am going to take a look in a hiking shop today. Would the 14-150 mm lens be a good alternative to the rather expensive M Zuiko 12-40mm ? I know that the 14-150mm it would be great for telezoom but would it also do most everyday stuff?
Also if this camera is going to be replaced soon should I wait until it comes down in price. I am currently looking at 1690 chf for the MK ii plus the M Zuiko lens which is about £1296 or 968.00CHF (£742) for just the body. I see Hdewcameras have really cheap deals - is this dodgy?

Also is there a cheaper alternative to the EM5 or do I just need to bite the bullet and invest?

Thanks again
Charlotte
 
I wouldn’t worry about weather proofing unless you are something like a professional sports photographer. I think most people’s normal usage for things like landscapes is hike to a location, get the camera out of the bag, take a shot (or 10) and put it back in the bag. A few minutes out in the rain or snow is not an issue, I have had my non-weather sealed DSLRs out in all weathers without problems, I just make sure they are somewhere warm and dry when I get back.

That said, I also have an Olympus EM5 II, which, as has been said above, is weather proof and it is a fantastic camera carrying on walks. It is small enough to leave clipped to my rucksack shoulder strap so is really handy on those days where the light is changing rapidly. Personally I wouldn’t start with a Pro lens, just go for some of the very nice and reasonably priced standard zooms. The thing you really need to know about this format (micro four-thirds, MFT) though is the sensor is half the size of a full-frame sensor, this has pros and cons.

On the plus side the camera is much smaller and lighter, the lenses are smaller and lighter and the depth-of-field at a given aperture is twice that of FF, so it is easy to get a whole landscape in focus.

On the minus side, the DoF is twice that of FF so you need a lens with a lower F-Stop to get very shallow DoF shots for indoor and portrait type work. Also the laws of physics mean that smaller sensors tend to be noisier at higher ISO than bigger sensors so again this could be a consideration for indoors shots.

I specifically bought the EM 5 II for out-and-about shots and I can take the camera and 3 lenses to cover ultra wide angle to long telephoto in the same weight as a DSLR plus one lens so I would recommend it for landscape, hiking and general outdoors use, with a pancake lens on it will fit in a pocket. For shallow DoF I have a fast (F 1.4) prime lens which I bought second hand from someone this forum.

That said I still use the DSLR a lot and would pretty much always pick that for low light and indoors. As someone said above see how they feel in your hands.

Here’s a recent shot from the EM5 https://flic.kr/p/24MYkCu
 
The first thing I would ask is whether you've gone and tried any of them? Sometimes you just pick up a camera and gel with it, sometimes you pick one up and put it straight back down again. The next question I'd ask is if you're willing/have thought about how much the weight can soon get tiring when you're out taking landscapes? I'm a big bloke and hiking across the Derbyshire Peaks carrying a back back with a FF DSLR, two or three lenses, Filters, tripod, etc etc soon gets tiring and I'm feeling more and more inclined to take my Olympus EM1 out which is a micro 4/3 mirrorless system. I know that ultimate IQ isn't as good, but for normal viewing sizes (computers, phones, tablets and sometimes even A3 prints) you're often hard pressed to tell the difference. Sure when you've got shiny new gear you don't notice the weight due to your enthusiasm, but after a while it gets tiring.

My suggestions to you would be 3 or 4 options.

D3xxx or D5xxx and a couple of lenses, arguably the bulkiest and heaviest option
Sony A6xxx and a couple of lenses. IQ should be on par with the Nikon D3xxx/D5xxx and would give you a smaller system.
Olympus EM5-II or EM1 with 12-40mm f2.8 (maybe need to buy used). Smallest system of the lot, really nice to use but if pixel peeping might be slightly inferior to the two above. However, I must stress this, I have the Olympus system and Nikon full frame and the difference is negligible a lot of the times at normal viewing sizes. The Nikon and Sony mentioned above are APS-C (crop sensor) DSLR's so the difference between these and the M4/3 system will be even less.

I would recommend going to a store, trying a few of the above and then taking it from there. One last thing to point out is that if you plan on using live view (rear LCD screen) a lot then mirrorless will be a better option and live view on dlsr is slow and clunky. That being said, for stationary subjects (landscape, architecture etc) it's perfectly fine.
 
Thanks again - I definitely need to go and look at these which I will do so today, although with my boyfriend taking me up to 2400m and on 5-8 hour hikes the smallest system is becoming more appealing by the minute.
 
I don't own one myself, but I know a few that own the Sony a6300 and are very happy with it. It's compact so will fit in a larger pocket or bag, has good image quality and quite fast to focus.
 
@Charlotte Wilson

HDEW are a grey import seller based in the UK.

As long as you understand what grey imports are then they are fine.

I bought my EM5MK2 from them and the purchasing experience was fine.

Took 4 days to be delivered and I have a 3 year warranty on the body.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.
 
I am now Old. but I have been a photographer Amateur and professional all my life.

The quality of image achievable by just about all the major brands is staggering.
this is generally true through out their ranges. Just about anything can meet your quality requirements.

This brings my thoughts to focus on You, and where and when and how, you will want to use such a camera.
Hiking and the out doors in all weathers Implies two things. One ruggedness and weight considerations and ease of carrying the necessary kit.
The second part of the "You" question is affordability and other priorities.

I would have thought the Mirrorless option would be Ideal for you. Probably in the form of an XT1 body ( second hand) to start with. And though the 18-55 F2.8-4 lens is not waterproof it is an exceptionally fine standard zoom. And in most situations a plastic lens glove makes up for any such problems, and in a far more realistic way than forking out for all waterproof lenses.
It would start you on a system that can grow with time and available funds.
I personally prefer the APS sensor of the Fuji Kit, as a realistic compromise between full frame and a Four thirds cameras such as the Olympus. In good conditions the results from all those formats can be superb, but with falling light levels and the need for higher ISO settings, noise becomes an increasingly challanging factor, the smaller the sensor.

It would be worth looking at the Fuji Refurbished site as all the kit carries a full Fuji Guarantee.
https://shop.fujifilm.co.uk/digital-cameras/refurbished-digital-cameras?p=2
The price of a refurbished XT1 and18-55 is a little beyond what you would like to pay, but in my opinion worth it, and better than having to upgrade too soon.
I recently bought an XE2 and that lens, and have been very pleased with it. But more often use my even smaller Fuji X30 as a walk around, but it does not pretend to achieve anything like the matching quality when the going gets tough, or large enlargements are needed.

It is perhaps important to think of the choice of a camera, as a start of a journey... the first time you meet a problem you do not want to go back to the beginning and start again. you want to be able to grow with the system... this is always more satisfactory and far far cheaper
 
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Thanks again - I have just been to a specialist photography shop and they were very helpful. They confirmed that for me a mirrorless option would be better and they also chose Olympus. They currently have an offer of an Olympus E-M10 Mark III with 14-42 and 40-150 lenses at 998 chf which is £765 and certainly makes me feel happier about this price.

I was told that the Olympus cameras are generally pretty sturdy and If I am relatively;y careful i don't really need the weatherproofing option and I would be better spending money on the lenses. He thinks I will most certainly want a telephoto zoom lens for mountain hiking and the pro zoom lens is 1500 chf / £1150(!!!) so until I am ready to spend that on just one lens do you all think that the basic 14-42 and 40-150 lenses will get me going? I am not necessarily envisioning that I will be a professional photographer I just want to get going and have a play with something more than an iphone. He also said the the EM10 is much easier to use for a complete beginner than the EM5.

I liked the small size and its sturdiness, and he said that as a body this camera is quite a bit better than a lot of entry SLRs.
The alternative is the Olympus EM5 at 968 for just the body and then pro lenses but this gets me up to 3000 CHF (£2302.00) which I am struggling to justify at this stage :(

I will also take a look at the fujifilm refurbished as this could be an option too.

Thanks to you all for being so helpful.

Charlotte
 
I am now Old. but I have a photographer Amateur and professional all my life.

The quality of image achievable by just about all the major brands is staggering.
this is generally true through out their ranges. Just about anything can meet your quality requirements.

This brings my thoughts to focus on You, and where and when and how, you will want to use such a camera.
Hiking and the out doors in all weathers Implies two things. One ruggedness and weight considerations and ease of carrying the necessary kit.
The second part of the "You" question is affordability and other priorities.

I would have thought the Mirrorless option would be Ideal for you. Probably in the form of an XT1 body ( second hand) to start with. And though the 18-55 F2.8-4 lens is not waterproof it is an exceptionally fine standard zoom. And in most situations a plastic lens glove makes up for any such problems, and in a far more realistic way than forking out for all waterproof lenses.
It would start you on a system that can grow with time and available funds.
I personally prefer the APS sensor of the Fuji Kit, as a realistic compromise between full frame and a Four thirds cameras such as the Olympus. In good conditions the results from all those formats can be superb, but with falling light levels and the need for higher ISO settings, noise becomes an increasingly challanging factor, the smaller the sensor.

It would be worth looking at the Fuji Refurbished site as all the kit carries a full Fuji Guarantee.
https://shop.fujifilm.co.uk/digital-cameras/refurbished-digital-cameras?p=2
The price of a refurbished XT1 and18-55 is a little beyond what you would like to pay, but in my opinion worth it, and better than having to upgrade too soon.
I recently bought an XE2 and that lens, and have been very pleased with it. But more often use my even smaller Fuji X30 as a walk around, but it does not pretend to achieve anything like the matching quality when the going gets tough, or large enlargements are needed.

It is perhaps important to think of the choice of a camera, as a start of a journey... the first time you meet a problem you do not want to go back to the beginning and start again. you want to be able to grow with the system... this is always more satisfactory and far far cheaper
Fuji wouldn't be my choice for landscapes tbh due to the artefacts. If I was to go for APS-C mirrorless it'd be the Sony A6xxx series for me. Obviously YMMV
 
Thanks again - I have just been to a specialist photography shop and they were very helpful. They confirmed that for me a mirrorless option would be better and they also chose Olympus. They currently have an offer of an Olympus E-M10 Mark III with 14-42 and 40-150 lenses at 998 chf which is £765 and certainly makes me feel happier about this price.

I was told that the Olympus cameras are generally pretty sturdy and If I am relatively;y careful i don't really need the weatherproofing option and I would be better spending money on the lenses. He thinks I will most certainly want a telephoto zoom lens for mountain hiking and the pro zoom lens is 1500 chf / £1150(!!!) so until I am ready to spend that on just one lens do you all think that the basic 14-42 and 40-150 lenses will get me going? I am not necessarily envisioning that I will be a professional photographer I just want to get going and have a play with something more than an iphone. He also said the the EM10 is much easier to use for a complete beginner than the EM5.

I liked the small size and its sturdiness, and he said that as a body this camera is quite a bit better than a lot of entry SLRs.
The alternative is the Olympus EM5 at 968 for just the body and then pro lenses but this gets me up to 3000 CHF (£2302.00) which I am struggling to justify at this stage :(

I will also take a look at the fujifilm refurbished as this could be an option too.

Thanks to you all for being so helpful.

Charlotte
Obviously this will completely depend on the store you went to, but be careful of recommendations if there's an offer on as they 'may' have an incentive to sell them. Weather sealing is debatable, and down to the individual. I originally had the Olympus EM10 mark I with 14-42mm pancake lens which produced perfectly good results, as it did with the small and lightweight 9-18mm. However, I did upgrade this to the EM5 mark II and 12-40mm due to the weather sealing as it's my travel system and you can't pick and choose the weather whilst away. I'm glad I did as the first time away with it (Venice) we got caught in heavy rain and I was perfectly confident of my gear. Yes you can have a waterproof bag, or even stick a carrier bag over it if you wish, but I don't like having my camera in a bag on holiday as I'm forever taking it in and out, so wearing it in a sling strap is ideal.

I (now regretfully) sold my Olly kit to try other 'small' options (Canon G7x, Sony RX100-II and Fuji XT1) but they all had their issues, and TBH the Canon and Sony were too small for me. I'm not back with Olympus (EM1 and 12-40mm) and couldn't be happier with it. I also have the 40-150mm f4-5.6 R which I picked up for £85 used and it's so small and lightweight you can just carry it in your pocket. I don't know of another 70/80-300mm eq lens that you can do this with. I also have the 45mm f1.8 which is teeny tiny too. Yes in an ideal world I'd have a full frame set up that I can take on holidays, but the system on the whole is so much bigger than the Olympus (like for like). I did contemplate the Sony A6xxx series as this could tick all the boxes, but for me they just felt horrible to hold. YMMV.

Now I'm far from an expert and these aren't the best examples you'll ever see but here's some of mine taken with the various Olympus Cameras and lenses. It's probably best to click through as view them on Flickr as this site tends to degrade the IQ and make them look a bit soft.

1. EM1 and 12-40mm

PC014313
by TDG-77, on Flickr

2. EM1 and 40-150mm f4-5.6 R

P6302462-Edit
by TDG-77, on Flickr

3. EM1 and 12-40mm

P1250064-HDR
by TDG-77, on Flickr

4. EM10 and 9-18mm

P7092340 re-edit mono 3
by TDG-77, on Flickr

5. EM10 and 9-18mm

P6132016 re-edit
by TDG-77, on Flickr
 
Fuji wouldn't be my choice for landscapes tbh due to the artefacts. If I was to go for APS-C mirrorless it'd be the Sony A6xxx series for me. Obviously YMMV

Stuck Record :p, there are loads of fabulous landscape images out there, taken with a Fuji, just as there are with other camera systems.

Same waterfall as above with a Fuji!!


170508 Monsal Dale Weir
by David Yeoman, on Flickr
 
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Stuck Record :p, there are loads of fabulous landscape images out there, taken with a Fuji, just as there are with other camera systems.
I know, I even bore myself. BUT for someone new wanting to invest into a system it's important to know any pitfalls and then decide if it's something to worry about, or as for most people not (y)

Same waterfall as above with a Fuji!!


170508 Monsal Dale Weir
by David Yeoman, on Flickr

Snap, also taken with the Fuji ;)



DSCF5664-4
by TDG-77, on Flickr
 
Yes this is the deal I saw :) - is it still guaranteed or am I taking a major risk here?
HDEW offer a 12M guarantee I believe. The only risk is if the company goes bust as the warranty is with them, not the manufacturer. Panamoz (also grey importers) offer a 3 year warranty but the same applies if they go bust. However, both companies have been around for a long time so that actual likelihood of them going bust is very slim.
 
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As someone said above, many will advise you to replicate their own pet choices. But you can more or less use any camera for landscape. D3400 with 'standard' zoom - fine.

You might think harder about the other applications mentioned of interiors and portfolio work. A 'standard' zoom will give some scope for the wide angle needed for many interiors, but it might be more crucial with any lens to consider perspective and lighting to get a good result. If by portfolio you mean copying 2d originals then a macro lens wouldn't hurt, especially if a lack of linear distortion is desirable.
 
If I'm reading this right you get the EM10-III, 14-42mm EZ and 40-150mm for £699 (£749 + £50 discount code) AND a free messenger bag worth £69.99. Seems a good deal to me.

https://www.wexphotovideo.com/olymp...8969edeb1abfee48d6e21511e57e08e&utm_source=aw

I can pretty much get this deal here from the photo shop in Geneva due to the good FX rate at the moment @ £750 - will those lenses be ok for a few years and to get me going? Bear in mind I have absolutely NO idea what I'm doing :)
 
As someone said above, many will advise you to replicate their own pet choices. But you can more or less use any camera for landscape. D3400 with 'standard' zoom - fine.

You might think harder about the other applications mentioned of interiors and portfolio work. A 'standard' zoom will give some scope for the wide angle needed for many interiors, but it might be more crucial with any lens to consider perspective and lighting to get a good result. If by portfolio you mean copying 2d originals then a macro lens wouldn't hurt, especially if a lack of linear distortion is desirable.


Yes you're right and they mentioned this in the shop when I spoke to them about all my requirements but they seemed to mentioned fixed and macro lenses at reasonable prices. Thanks for picking up on this!
 
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