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Anyone here involved/have been involved in CSP?

If so, what sort of skills are needed? I would venture a Nikon, a strong stomach and a morbid interest, but I imagine that's somewhat simplistic.

How does it pay, and what else is needed?

I'd be interested to hear from peeps regarding this.
 
The only CSP's I know were Special-Branch and entered it through doing forensic pathology courses...
Some Police Forces hire direct, but it's pretty much the same as doing box-shots and still-life...
Some forces still use wet-film - mostly Pentax 6x7, but nearly all now use Nikon Pro-kit and shoot RAW/NEF.

It's boring, tedious and repetitive...angles have to be judged to present the information in the best way to the uninitiated, so forget any artistic input...lots of small rulers and scales to show relative sizes...
...and it's not just dead bodies, but car-tyres, footprints, skid-marks on roads...always in the rain, always in the cold, always in the middle of the night...
Wearing a white noddy-suit and looking like a prat...
 
I have done a bit years back, and trust me it wasn't like CSI, I ended up photographing jacket lables and broken windows mostly, they also use to do the polices PR photos and presentations, for the bodies you need a strong stomach and no sense of smell preferably.
 
I've done my fair share working in a pathology lab with the coroner and a strong stomach is definitely a prerequisite.

Durham University do the only recognised course here in the UK and you don't just do the photography but have to learn fingerprinting, footprint lifts, casts, glass analysis, all sorts of lab techniques and after all that it's not particularly well paid and the shifts are C*** too.
 
I am a police officer rather than a Scene of Crimes Officer, but can offer some help. Most of our SOCO's begin as Assistants in one form or another - they do not specialise in anything particularly, as their job is to recover evidence, preserve, record and photograph things. A fully-qualified SOCO will spend more time working on their own, or directing people at larger sites.

The actual photography itself is, as you might expect, purely functional. Our SOCOs use Nikon D40's with off-camera flash for most crime scenes, which are nothing like as interesting as you might imagine. Often, they're just location shots to give a court an idea of where an offence took place.

The most common offences where SOCOs are used are burglaries - not deaths. The average London borough has somewhere between 2 - 10 murders a year (some have none at all) and a few more deaths through traffic accidents, etc. I suppose some people are sensitive about it, but you don't need an especially strong stomach for the photography as such. Pathology - as some people are referring to above - is a different kettle of fish, but is nothing to do with a SOCO. Arkady's description of the usual conditions of work are accurate.

In the main, SOCOs are responsible for identifying initial forensic leads, evaluating them and then sending them off to a lab for further testing. It's not like on TV where the SOCO is responsible for investigating the scene, gathering evidence, then processing it back at a purpose-built lab at a police station.

Entry routes vary. Most SOCOs are university graduates, but their subjects weren't necessarily scientific.

This link is not for an Assistant SOCO's role, but it gives you an idea of one of the many roles available in the field:

http://www.metpolicecareers.co.uk/policestaff/evidence_recovery_technician.html

Pay will vary according to shifts and where you work, but in London an Assistant SOCO can expect a salary of around £25k - 30k, while a fully-fledged officer will take home quite a bit more.
 
Anyone here involved/have been involved in CSP?

If so, what sort of skills are needed? I would venture a Nikon, a strong stomach and a morbid interest, but I imagine that's somewhat simplistic.

How does it pay, and what else is needed?

I'd be interested to hear from peeps regarding this.

Arkady nearly got it spot on. Crime scene photography is one part of being aq scenes of crime officer(for most forces) Once upon a time you had to be a cop first but not any more. After training where you learn to dust finger prints , hair and fluid recovery etc, you also learn about photography. You take lots of boring crime scene stuff, broken into sheds, foot prints and discarded property as well as dead people. Lots of alive people too, injuries sustained from assaults etc.. Video is also used as well. Gory scenes are part of the job, its the smell that gets you. after a short while dead people don't look like people if you know what I mean. yes you get called out of your bed. It is boring you do get wet and cold and wet and the money aint great. You do get to use your kit on the side for wedings etc(:suspect:) as many have done in the past, but it is definitely not like CSI! lots of court appearances. you used to have labs to make your prints but its d200's for my local force at least! Don't do it:thumbs:

Edit - traffic accident scenes which are generally very gory are done by traffic accident investigators(cops) as a rule of thumb!
 
I'm also a police officer - can't really add much more that Photo Plod's said.

Our SOCO guys use Nikon D1x cameras and usually a fixed length, wide aperture lens. They don't specialise in photography, rather have a camera in the van with them.

Our Collision Investigation guys (I'm a Traffic Officer so know more about their work) do more photography than SOCO do. They use Nikon D300s with 35mm f/1.8.
 
I have done a bit years back, and trust me it wasn't like CSI, I ended up photographing jacket lables and broken windows mostly, they also use to do the polices PR photos and presentations, for the bodies you need a strong stomach and no sense of smell preferably.

Told you so:gag:
 
I want that software CSI have, the one where you take a really crappy video still of a street scene, one click and you can read the time on the guys timex watch. Now wouldn't that be handy?;)
 
My Dad was SOCO for the RAF Police.

He joined up in the war, having got himself out of a reserved occupation, and found himself in the RAF Police, which wasn't the plan.

One day an officer asked the assembled group if anyone had ever taken any photographs and he said he had, so they gave him a Leica and a darkroom and told him he was now scenes of crime

I recently saw some wedding photos that he took with the gear, he was very good.
 
The only CSP's I know were Special-Branch and entered it through doing forensic pathology courses...
Some Police Forces hire direct, but it's pretty much the same as doing box-shots and still-life...
Some forces still use wet-film - mostly Pentax 6x7, but nearly all now use Nikon Pro-kit and shoot RAW/NEF.

It's boring, tedious and repetitive...angles have to be judged to present the information in the best way to the uninitiated, so forget any artistic input...lots of small rulers and scales to show relative sizes...
...and it's not just dead bodies, but car-tyres, footprints, skid-marks on roads...always in the rain, always in the cold, always in the middle of the night...
Wearing a white noddy-suit and looking like a prat...

police also use the RB67 with the rotating back...iirc
negs are very courtroom acceptable
 
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