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The following thread contains text of a depressive nature and is a brain dump.

Well,

I think I've decided that I'm not happy doing what I do anymore. I think its the dreading of coming to work on a morning that does it - well I won't say dreading, I dislike it, but then again most people do, don't they?

Anyway, a little background.

I'm 26, and I'm the Network Manager at a large secondary school, by large I mean 2000 students. I say students, but really most of them are little evil monster type things. The teachers are probably by far the worst people anyone should have to work with - although saying that there are a handful who are genuinely nice people and I quite like them.

At the moment, I've got my head in a project which I'm enjoying, I specced out and bought a load of new Dell servers and I'm building a brand new Windows 2003 server domain to encompass the two existing older networks that I built a few years ago.

Now if I could do this everyday of every month, uninterrupted and left to work, I could quite easily enjoy it - I think its the environment that spoils it. The people I work with in the team for the most part are top notch, I could be paid a little better, my wage hasn't moved bar inflation for three years - I find that demoralising (is that the right word for lowered morale?).

I hate the kids, I hate going into classrooms, I think more than anything its because of the comments, kids are cruel I know, but a lot of them these days know exactly what they are doing and are mature enough to make a decision as to what is right and wrong. Yes I'm fat....get over it. The funny thing is the teacher will just stand there and let it happen.

I don't go into the classrooms much anymore, not by choice anyway - out of a team of 5 of us, I'm supposed to be the one with the most tech savvy, the consultant if you like - I find that most of the time if I'm not doing something with a new network like now - I could be sitting around doing not a lot.

Its not that the menial stuff bothers me, I'll do it - its just the lack of respect from the customers - the end users, teachers and kids. The kids are mostly understandable - they don't respect anyone. Teachers however (not all of them) suffer from teacher syndrome - its the "I went to university and got a degree and I'm a teacher and I'm better than you, you can worship me at my feet". I think a lot of it is due to the way they talk to the kids - they get into a mindset for the day and thats how they talk to everyone, just happens to really get people's backs up.

My working hours aren't bad - 7:30-3:00 on a monday, 7:30-3:30 the rest of the week, they fit in with what Sue does and we can share a single car, which obviously saves money.

On the subject of money, I earn what is considered to be a decent wage I think, but after three years of it stagnating I just want a little more, by no means are we living on a shoestring, we've got everything we need, we buy anything that want and we've got a lot of the mod cons. I just want a little more so that when we start a family we'll have more money - thats not to say I don't know we'll have to cut down on things - thats why we're buying the camera kit that we need now, when we have kids it'll be harder. I might have to downgrade the net package ect - I have no problems in accepting that sacrifices will need to be made and thats fine.

So thats the background stuff.

So, the technical stuff I do still enjoy, its just the place - so I think something in IT is where my future lies, its all I've been interested in since I was 11, 15 years of doing what I do makes it impossible to do something else - I don't even know what I'd do. I'd love to do something photography related (wouldn't we all) but I don't have the contacts, the experience or the skills necessary (yet, I'm not fishing for compliments). Photography wouldn't allow me to secure a regular wage that I could say "yeah we'd have no problems paying the bills this month". I guess I could start doing photography stuff on the side, weddings and such, if they are at the weekends, great, if notI can use some of my annual holidays up, again not too much of a problem.

The ideal scenario is that I keep playing the lottery and I win millions of pounds, I buy a delorean, a nice big house out in the countryside somewhere and I never have to work again. Sue wouldn't either if she didn't want to but I think she likes her job most of the time.

The problem I have when it comes to IT related jobs is that they pretty much want specialisation when it comes to jobs further up the line from where I am - I'm very good at doing lots of things, my problem solving abilities are great and I know where to look when I don't know the answers. Thats why working in a school environment suits me so well - there are a multitude of different problems and you are expected to know how to solve all of them. You're also supposed to know all of this with no access to formal training - in IT this is devastating to a career, technology moves so quickly that you have to keep abreast of whats going on and if your employer isn't comitted to that, you have a problem.

So I'm kinda behind the times, I've got an MCSE self study kit but I just can't seem to get myself motivated to read thousands of pages of stuff, I know if I do it'll help me no end with the network I'm building now, I'm just a bit resentful if that makes sense - why should I have to do that at home in my own time, work should be sending me on courses - two or three week long courses and I'd be sorted.

The other thing about this job is whats on the horizon, basically we're in the building schools for the future programme and in the next 3 years we're going to be outsourced basically, I think I'd become an employee of this other company and they would have a commitment to keep me on for at least 12 months I think, anyway, nobody is talking about what is going on with that, nobody wants to or doesn't have the information so we don't know where we stand - which can't be helping things from my perspective.

So, do I need a new job, do I need a new perspective?, do I need to cheer up a little and just accept that things are as they are and they aren't going to change no matter what I want. Do I need to get my act together and sort out my MCSE?

I was at my mum and dads house last week and was trying to sort out my brothers PC, had it in bits and transferred it to a new case, turns out it had a blown motherboard, anyway, I really enjoyed that - it took me back to when I used to build PCs at 13/14 years old. That was great. I wonder if I could do some kind of working from home and go and visit people in their homes to fix their problems and offer training, knock 25% off PC world's prices for installation and maintainance and you're still laughing, as long as you can guaruntee the business.

I don't know if I've managed to get everything down that I wanted to, I've certainly created a longer post than what I expected to. If you've read all the way to the bottom, thanks, I think I just needed an outlet.

If anyone wants to give me a job in the Bradford/Leeds area, feel free ;)

Matt
 
Quick note before I do the school run.

/subscribes to thread :)

Will reply properly later.
 
Matt (without malice or intent)

Man you IS down!!

Firstly get outta the school, there are plenty of Microsft network jobs out there and if yoiu get the Microsoft certification then it will open up even bigger opportunities. Industry is always looking for network people be it big installation or small.
The kids well welcome to the age of no respect, although its good to see kids with more confidence that previous generations they are by majority nowadays a bunch of ignorant F***wits with little prospect most of them because society has got way to PC to nuture suitabvle fellow respect. At the other end of the scale old folk are just as bad.
Teachers - don't get me started, on recently attending my sons parents evening was told that spelling was no longer important in this day and age and that it is the creativity that counts.......BULL**** thats just a good excuse to allow sub standard teachers who can't spell into a classroom to teach your kids what they don't know, having said that there are some very fine teachers otu there but they are certainly in the minority!!!!!

RANT over

The weight issue is perhaps not helping your overall outlook on life and would perhaps hazard a guess that you eat to stay happy in a job you hate except when tinkering with PCs and networks - ANSWER Change it ALL!!!

Life philosophy is fairly simple if you loathe something or you are somewhere that makes you that unhappy change it, if you don't then don't moan to anyone years later when your still unhappy and still there.

Yours
Clement Froyd (by the way that will be £150.00)
 
Matt (without malice or intent)
...they are by majority nowadays a bunch of ignorant F***wits with little prospect most of them because society has got way too PC to nuture suitabvle fellow respect. At the other end of the scale old folk are just as bad.

Couldn't have put it better myself about the younger generations but the older ones have had to watch all that they fought for turn into what it is today - that must be pretty depressing!!:shake: (did you notice the PC pun that you put in there btw nuffink? very dry humour that if you did :LOL:)

ANSWER Change it ALL!!!

Sounds like a plan buddy, you've already taken the first step & admitted that you need to change your situation, most just put up & shut up. Just keep your eye on the job market & get yourself something else whilst you're working towards what you actually want to do - maybe just a change of scenery will do you good.

Am sure you'll find your answer mate - just start looking because you won't be content until you do (y)
 
Thanks for the comments so far and thanks to Dark Star who has offered help with my CV :)

I can't leave this job until September at the earliest - there is only me who can do this project and I can't leave them in the lurch with it, its not in my nature and I want to finish what I've begun.
 
So, do I need a new job, do I need a new perspective?

YES!

do I need to cheer up a little

IMHO That'll come when you're happy in your work

Do I need to get my act together and sort out my MCSE?

Yes mate! From what you're saying it's essential for your career development. Don't resent doing it, think of it as doing yourself a huge favor for your and Sue's future

I was at my mum and dads house last week and was trying to sort out my brothers PC, had it in bits and transferred it to a new case, turns out it had a blown motherboard, anyway, I really enjoyed that - it took me back to when I used to build PCs at 13/14 years old. That was great. I wonder if I could do some kind of working from home and go and visit people in their homes to fix their problems and offer training, knock 25% off PC world's prices for installation and maintainance and you're still laughing, as long as you can guaruntee the business.

Certainly going out on your own is the best route to job satisfaction. The downside is you will almost certainly have to take a severe downturn in income until you build your business up. I started my own business 5 years ago after being stuck in a job that I hated but paid me good money. I had the choice to take the easy option and stay as I was, earning a good wage but being unhappy in my job but I chose to take the gamble and chuck it in to start up on my own (well with 2 other guys but that's beside the point!). The first year WAS tough but now the business is successful and I'm totally in control of my own destiny. What I'm saying is Matt, if you seriously think you could build a business doing what you enjoy then seriously consider doing it. There'll be no gain without pain of course.

It sure sounds like you need to get out of that school! Whatever you decide, good luck (y)
 
Matt,

Sorry to hear your going through this but there are some major pluses in your favor. One you don't have kids yet. That means if you want to go out on your own and give it a go you just have you and sue to watch out for. Since Sue has a good job she loves she may be able to offer the stability you need to start a business if that is what you want. Or even go to school full time to get the cert. you need. And as always if you need an ear to knaw on give me a ring!

As a complete aside. You know I'm not exactly fit as a fiddle myself and I'm finally fed up. I've started tracking my calories and exercise only no extreme diet on www.weightlossresources.co.uk there's a free trial too with no credit card details given. While it is too soon for any weightloss my energy increase and overall well being has increased to help me deal with problems at home and work (you know who you are!).
 
Matt - you're in control mate. No-one can do it for you and only you know what you want.

A word of caution - don't expect a change in job to be the panacea. For 75% of the population work is work. it pays the bills and, if we're lucky, leaves some over to enjoy. I know maybe 3 or 4 people that enjoy their job (Grendel is one of those utter t*****s lucky people that falls into that category). For the rest of us, making the most out of the time that truly belongs to us is the preserve of sanity.

There is a brightside to this - all of us work in conditions far removed from those of our great-grandfathers. we are, to the most part, warm, safe and well looked after. We can afford to eat and the liklihood of losing a limb or life is negligible.

Something better will come along for you, but only if you chase it down. Dont be concerned about leaving your employer in the lurch. None of us is indispensible and all immediately replaceable. I was once told that leaving a company, no matter how much you think you are needed or valued (or opposite) has the same effect as taking your hand out of a bowl of water.

Chin up and get on with it lad.

Oh, btw, if you're taken over by a new entity its called TUPE (transfer of undertakings (protection of employment) 2006). Its your current terms and conditions that are protected for at least 12 months. Your position is as secure under the new entity as it was under the old. If you want to be bored further on this topic PM me and i'll point you in the right direction.
 
Moomike - Glad you caught the pun it was deliberate, beginning to think my SOH is somewhat warped :)
 
I'm no expert leave that to JR! But have you just tried posting your CV up with the likes of monster.co.uk that way you get sent positions relevant to you and companies can puruse you CV and get in contact if they wish.
Looks like you may have to do the Microsoft thing as it looks as if it will open a few more doors.

Chin up mate, if that little t***s have a go give em some back, or wait till after school and kick the s**t out of them outside :D :shrug:
 
Matt
You are young enough to start a career in MSCE stuff, I wish it was around when I was a bit younger. Like its been said above, since you dont have offspring at moment and the financial burden they bring with them, go out and set up on your own. It may be hard financially initially but I am sure you and Sue have got your heads screwed on properly and will budget accordingly until the business starts to build into a profitable state.

As far as kids saying to you 'fat', yes it is cruel and the teachers not reprimanding them is so wrong. But my daughter is overweight and people say things to her but at the same time she is so outgoing it is unbelievable ( I am the opposite). They say big people have big personalities and it is so true, I have a few friends that are big and I would rather spend time with them than shallow people that have no personalities. Ignore the taunts, you have got brains, they haven't!

Anyway, enough of my advice, both you and Sue come across as really nice folk and will go far in life :)
 
As others have said Matt, you are in control and you are young enough to make this kind of move. Whatever you decide I wish you luck with it. I know from experience that not enjoying your work environment is a real downer, if you can get out and find something you enjoy you will feel a hundred times better, go for it(y)
 
The grass is not always greener on the otherside......

Your in a position at the moment that you understand. Christ, your on these forums enough posting during the day which the majority of us would love to be able to do.

Instead of being on the forums, you could be doing the MCSE stuff in that time. Its all about managing your time effectively during the day. The MCSE is really important these days in just proving you have the mentality to learn. After all, a lot of companies take Graduate Trainess from a University background purely becuase they have exhibited fundamental skills in being able to learn over a long duration. A commitment is what they are looking for.

Would you be happier finding a new job? Yes would always be my answer otherwise you wouldnt be writing what you are. Would it be beneficial to you to move? Yes due to your mindset. However, there is nothing to say that you would not be in the same situation in a few years time once again.

When you are recruited to a role, you dont always get to do everything that is available from the interview. Take that from experience. A generalisation is always given in an interview, the actual contract and work may only contain a little of what you really like to do.

My Father-in-law to be was a burser at a private school who was trying to get hire me to be the Network Manager at the school. I didnt want to do it as I was in a fairly well paid job doing what I liked for the past 12 years. redundancy came along and with it a slightly more optimistic outlook on life.

I still went and performed the same career but instead of being truly IT related, I turned it around and became Business and Customer Driven. That itself gave me great satisfaction and its true you never get praise but at least you can say you have done a good or great job.

I too am overweight.... I dont care about it as I am a happy person with my weight. Sounds to me like your not hence the comments hurt.

Above all of this I think you are lacking a little SELF CONFIDENCE at the moment. We all go through periods of this. Try and get yourself out of this or it may turn to depression. These sort of feelings always come after you return to work after enjoying time away..... and that it appears has been exactly the case with you.

Been there done it..... I am around if you want to talk..... PM me you wouldnt believe how the slightest things can sometimes help you out.
 
Thanks Guys,

Double Agent - I understand what you're saying in relation to the forum access and MCSE instead - my access to here during the day can be good it can be bad - there are days when I can't find a minute to myself and there are days when I can spend a good hour on here, it took me about 2 hours to write that post this morning in between doing everything else - what I find with the MCSE and anything I have to really concentrate on is that I need to be able to do it and do it in peace with no distractions and nobody pulling me off (ooer) to do other things instead. I can't plan one day to the next here -

I got an emergency call at 8am from someone who was running exams at 11am and needed a custom pc image in a suite - that involved me imaging the test machine we have in the server room, removing google toolbar, installing some activex stuff and banging the image back to the server, waiting until the room became available at 10am, imaging it (just in the nick of time and getting the exams off at 11), then only taking 15 mins for lunch instead of my usual 30 (ha, I wish) and banging the original images back in time for the start of afternoon lessons at 1:15.

I think part of the problem of me not feeling like I have the time when I'm at home is that I'm just knackered - be that a result with the weight or not, all I feel like doing is watching TV or playing on the 360, I think thats partly to do with the early starts.

I think I still have the mentality to learn, I just need to prove to myself that I do. I've been waiting for work to sort out an exam voucher for the MS 70-290 exam since before Christmas, I've decided to book it and pay for it myself and I'm probably going to take it on the 8th may - the day after may day bank holiday.

That'll give me MCP status, will allow me to convert my A+ and Network+ certifications over to become electorates for the MCSA and from there I can complete the MCSA and upgrade it to an MCSE.

Thats been the plan for the last 12 months :p

If I book the exam and then stick to that date I have to get it sorted, the 70-290 isn't that in-depth, its probably the easiest exam to do and I have most of the risidual knowledge in my head for this one. I just need to spend the next couple of weeks getting my head around the trickier parts.

I understand the thing about the grass not always being greener on the other side too - building this network allows me the equipment I need to do the MCSE - hell I could remote in from home and use them to do some of the test stuff if I need to (I'll probably just set up a remote server in virtual PC though). I could stay, see the thing out, when I get Tupe'd out I could end up in a better position, if not I have 12 months to sort it out.

I'm just feeling ever so much closer to 30, and whilst thats by no means over the hill I'm not feeling as young and able to learn as I used to.

Its funny how coming back to work after a holiday can put a downer on things isn't it?
 
Post holiday blues mate. In my experience it lasts unitl you book the next holiday ;)
 
well I'm going to knowsley on Saturday, that should be a lot of fun :) Not a holiday per se but its a day out :)
 
I have to go and see my boy after school to now..so excuse me for not reading all this thread.

Matt, you have another talent you may not be aware is very useful... you very approachable and thoughtful ... and that’s backed up with intelligence and good organisation skills.
The perfect mix for going into business yourself I'd say, and much more useful than you image...you need no qualifications ...just good intent and honesty will get you their.

Your idea about being a personal IT man to the average non-computer literate person sounds bang on ( at least that’s how I read it.)... I know of many that would call out someone like that at a reasonable rate.
 
Well, this time in 2 weeks I'll hopefully be an MCP (y)

Thanks everyone for the help and advice today, it has helped a lot.

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Hey MCP is over rated ! im one ! lol Im also a VCP twice (VMWare Certified Professional) which i give more credence too ! But the M$ exams are becoming more respectable after many years of being too easy to brain dump and pass !

You will always feel tired being overweight mate, its not a dig, its a fact, i know im there too ! need to get plenty of exercise, and do things you dont want to to improve those things, TV and XBOX will never make you lose any weight mate, no matter what you do !
 
I'm only planning on being MCP for a few months, want MCSA before the end of the year and then MCSE in the not too distant future. Time to get my m$ books out for some hardcode bedtime reading.

I guess I need to walk around outside in the woods whilst I read my m$ books :/
 
Hi Matt

I can relate a lot to what you are feeling at the moment.

It was part of the reason I came on the visit to Chester Zoo with everyone. Just needed to give myself a kick and go and do something for me for a change, meet some new people and have some fun.

It was the best day out I had been on in ages helped by all who was there.

Good luck with the exam and hope you get the work thing sorted.

And please don't worry about 30 getting nearer, worry when its gone past!

Andrea
 
Hi Matt
Sorry to hear you have got into that state, though reading the last post you seem to be pulling yourself up, Well done that man!
I felt rather like you did a few years ago, not quite "suicidal" But to quote Paul Simon "I feel I could do some damage one fine day"!
I won't go on, but I removed myself from the situation, totally. I spent a few months working, with a friend that lives in the USA and completly dropped out ( at my age that was a real joke! :help: )
When I came home to my family ( yes I am still married with 2 kids) the whole world just seemed a better place
I changed direction totally on the work side of things and worked my way up to a senior manager.:woot: So now instead of getting my ass kicked by ungreatful bosses I can now kick ass should I so desire!
I am not suggesting you have a total change of direction but sometimes I think it helps to totally remove yourself and go off in the opposite direction to what you or others think is the norm.
School kids can be be right R-soles I do have dealings with schools on occasions ( the solution is a whole new subject :bat: :D )
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