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i'm finding myself left high and dry with the buffer full up a lot more than i would like..

have many people on here had it done? and how fast was the turnaround?
 
Maybe a faster card would help...?

Not heard of many issues with the D3 buffer causing a pause while it empties to the card...

I shoot RAW/Uncompressed and have never had a buffer on any of my D3 bodies fill up to the extent that I had to stop shooting...

What stuff are you shooting BTW...?
 
Can the D3 accept UDMA CF cards? There's a cracking deal on Amazon at the moment for 8GB 60MB/s Sandisk ones at 1/2 price. Could this help the problem?
 
D3 accepts the all latest, fastest cards available...
 
I had the same issues. I refused to pay what Nikon wanted to do it. It's one of the ticks that went in the box for upgrading to the D3s. I'd rather put the money towards that.

Kev.
 
I'm tempted to get mine done, I just lowered my frame rate to solve the issue which isn't ideal
 
I don't on a d700 and wouldn't on a d3, but I'm not everyone and if this was an issue for me I'd do it in a flash
 
i shoot wildlife in continous burst, and it does mean sometimes it's the difference between getting the keeper or not.

i use a sandisk 30mb/s card.. i never thought of upgrading to a 60mb/s card, i suppose that would mean the buffer would empty to the card twice as fast? that in itself would make a big difference.

as much as i'd love a D3s, i'm trying to put more money towards a 200-400. going from 16 raws to 36 in a row is just too tempting not to find out about though.
 
I think Amazon are still doing that Sandisk 8GB 60MB/s card for around the £30 mark (half price). May be worth investing in a few as strangely I think there are slower Sandisk cards that are more expensive! lol ?
 
i'm finding myself left high and dry with the buffer full up a lot more than i would like..

have many people on here had it done? and how fast was the turnaround?

Hi mate,

I've had the buffer surgery, I was quite reluctant at first but I just landed a job as a stringer for Getty shooting the European Figure Skating Champs, I'd shot a fair few events without the upgrade and decided to get it done.

I wrote a little on it here:
http://www.tomaswhitehouse.com/2009/01/28/nikon-d3-buffer-upgrade/

Going from 16 to 36 capacity is a huge help, especially if your a sparingly 'shot controlled bursts and steadily' kinda person. If your a 'hold the shutter down like you were defending Omaha Beach' type then nothing's going to help.

I found SanDisk to be the slowest cards available at the time, this is going back two Christmas's though, but back then the worst of the bunch was the SanDisk Extreme IV = Bag Of Arse.

Myself and a few colleagues tried a whole bunch of cards at Finlandia Trophy 08, Lexar and a few Finnish brands but settled with Transcend, the transfer on these was much quicker than the other brands.

A figure skater is competing on the ice for 4-6 minutes, with the extreme IV, on a full buffer of 16 shots (before upgrade) the transfer time was painfully slow. A transcend 133x card was lightening in comparison, easily less than half the waiting time.

At the time of the European's, Johannes, a German chap shooting for Reuters mentioned that the D3 and the D700 aren't entirely UDMA compatible which is why the SanDisk cards were so slow. :shrug:

Before the buffer upgrade I had 2 Extreme IV cards and then I bought 4 Transcend x133 cards. I haven't had a problem since so there's been no need for me to test out alternative cards.

After the upgrade I tested the 2 extreme IV's again and they were still is crap.

SanDisk may have got it sorted but I wouldn't know. They are the most expensive cards here in Finland so I don't buy them after the experiences I had.

Transcend are very fairly priced and I've not had a single one corrupt or fail in the 2 years I've been using them.

Is the upgrade worth it?

The D3 had been on the market for around 6 months when I had the upgrade, the D3s wasn't even a twinkle in the milkman's eye so I had no other option.

I'd do it again though, for fast action shooting then you need the buffer to be as big as it possibly can be, so yes, for me it was worth the cash.
 
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All I ever shoot is wildlife, and I've found I have more keepers when I don't shoot on continuous.
 
So how much are Nikon asking for doing this?

2 years ago it was 488 euro in the land of ice and snow.

All I ever shoot is wildlife, and I've found I have more keepers when I don't shoot on continuous.

Whilst being fairly selective is a great foundation, continuos bursts combined with high frame rate are capabilities that can be seriously beneficial in the field.
It really depends on how fast your subjects move.
 
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2 years ago it was 488 euro in the land of ice and snow.



Whilst bring fairly selective is a great foundation, continuos bursts combined with high frame rate are capabilities that can be seriously beneficial in the field.
It really depends on how fast your subjects move.

Oh I totally agree, but if Andrew's work on flickr is anything to go by, I would say that maybe he just needs to rethink his shooting methods
 
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500€... :gag: ...fark that...

If I ever run into a situation when I need continuous bursts of 20 or more images, that'll be one of those days I decide to shoot JPEG-Fine...:thumbs:
 
500€... :gag: ...fark that...

Agreed, if you don't need it, then footing the bill is not a favourable option.

If I ever run into a situation when I need continuous bursts of 20 or more images, that'll be one of those days I decide to shoot JPEG-Fine...:thumbs:

That's one alternative but not something that would sit so well with an agency or potential buyer tht wanted the highest res possible.
 
Agreed, if you don't need it, then footing the bill is not a favourable option.



That's one alternative but not something that would sit so well with an agency or potential buyer tht wanted the highest res possible.

You're thinking of those ice figure-skating pix, maybe? I think that with practice and familiarity would come a paring-down of the number of shots taken.

Compare your own shooting-rate to what you were doing four or five years ago, maybe?
I'm willing to bet you're shooting shorter sequences now and the images themselves will be better as your familiarity with the sport has increased - you're better able to predict shots before they happen...

Besides, there's not much size-difference between a JPEG-F straight from the camera and one taken from a RAW - both are between 8-10Mb from a D3.
In a stadium-shoot, you do have time to set custom white balance and perform on-site tests to make sure your in-camera settings are optimised for the light there...
It's only if you're having to convert to TIFF for Library-use that things change and shooting RAW becomes more desirable.
 
Still more than I'm willing to pay to upgrade an existing body - would rather wait another year and upgrade one of my bodies to a D3s instead - if the requirement is identified as something I 'have' to do rather than 'want' to do...
That £300 upgrade wouldn't be recouped as part of the trade-in/resale price - these things never are...
 
I haven't had it done on mine - only a couple of times I've filled the buffer - shooting horse racing I think!
 
That's one alternative but not something that would sit so well with an agency or potential buyer tht wanted the highest res possible.

Isn't RAW and JPEG fine essentially the same resolution? I understand you have more control with RAW with regard to editing but I'm sure they are still the same resolution.
 
Still more than I'm willing to pay to upgrade an existing body - would rather wait another year and upgrade one of my bodies to a D3s instead - if the requirement is identified as something I 'have' to do rather than 'want' to do...
That £300 upgrade wouldn't be recouped as part of the trade-in/resale price - these things never are...So I'll have to sell my D3 to gman at a bargain price

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Think you guys need to spend a month with a film camera and a motor drive. Shooting in bursts of 20 frames, for an event that lasts for more than 5 mins seems crazy to me - what happened to anticipation and timing?
 
hehe to be honest though I think I'd have the fear as to the punishment your cameras must go through!
 
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Think you guys need to spend a month with a film camera and a motor drive. Shooting in bursts of 20 frames, for an event that lasts for more than 5 mins seems crazy to me - what happened to anticipation and timing?

Its still there but digital allows me to capture far more of the peak action, this is key when filing to the papers or to a agency, having 15-20 shots nailed of a peak action sequence gives me and them far more freedom to choose what they want, it also raises the standard of what is expected.
 
Think you guys need to spend a month with a film camera and a motor drive. Shooting in bursts of 20 frames, for an event that lasts for more than 5 mins seems crazy to me - what happened to anticipation and timing?

I agree.

Button mashing is no substitute for learning the art of timing, and knowing the subject.

Technology is not a substitute for learning the craft.
 
I used to shoot with a Nikon F without any motor drive - but that was in the past - technology has moved on and we should take advantage of it. Action/sports photography has improved immensely since digital and high fps rates were possible.
 
I used to shoot with a Nikon F without any motor drive - but that was in the past - technology has moved on and we should take advantage of it. Action/sports photography has improved immensely since digital and high fps rates were possible.

True but if someone finds they NEED silly fps to get a shot...then its worth looking at the technique they are employing to see why. Do they understand the sport? Can they anticipate. Just holding down a button and hoping you capture something is pretty artless IMHO.
 
I used to shoot with a Nikon F without any motor drive - but that was in the past - technology has moved on and we should take advantage of it. Action/sports photography has improved immensely since digital and high fps rates were possible.

AWP, he speaks the truth :agree:
 
True - but shooting short bursts around the peak of the action gives you more choice - more keepers - just more great shots. Holding it down for longer - and you're making video! ;) Nothing silly about shooting 9fps for a couple of seconds - when you just have to get the shot!
 
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True but if someone finds they NEED silly fps to get a shot...then its worth looking at the technique they are employing to see why. Do they understand the sport? Can they anticipate. Just holding down a button and hoping you capture something is pretty artless IMHO.

Your certainly right to the extent of Spray and Pray, Machine gunning whatever you want to call it. That is a waste of time.

However for SPORTS you really need to shoot in regular bursts of 4-5 at a time for general action, when there is a goal and celebration or mind blowing sequence of action or controversial incident you keep shooting, Always. Not mindlessly hammering the shutter and filling the buffer but ensuring you get THE shot

You can't afford to be precious about it, if you don't get the shot somebody else will and thats your paycheck out of the window.
 
hehe to be honest though I think I'd have the fear as to the punishment your cameras must go through!

It's only my issued cameras that get a beating...My cameras get babied - they look as new...and will continue to do so unless I get more 'press' work coming my way.

However:
I'm negotiating a trip to Afghan for next year to cover the Bundeswehr in Kabul now that the Federal Government has scrapped compulsory National Service - the Bundeswehr will be all-volunteer (freiwilligen) by the end of the year. The first tranche of professionals will be joining later this year (though all troops deployed to Afghanistan are already volunteers who have transferred to the Regular Heer-macht, they started as draftees).

It effectively negates any remaining left-wing opposition to German troops deploying fully as part of NATO operations overseas...all they need to do now is increase defence spending in line with other NATO partners...since 1955, Germany's defence budget has enabled them to purchase two kubelwagens and an old mauser rifle...not encouraging...
 
thanks for all the replies. and thanks tyke tiler for the detailed write up, i've actually been wanting another 2 cards so i will get the transcend 400x on your recommendation and see if it makes a difference, they're a lot cheaper than the sandisks too. if they transfer a lot faster than the sandisks i might not even bother with the buffer upgrade. it just seems to take forever for the buffer to empty to the card!

as for my shooting methods, i don't overdo it on the continous firing as it's not always needed but a controlled short burst of 3 frames can be the difference between a blur and a sharp shot. especially at 200mm and maybe less than a 200th of a second. 9fps can be very benificial when it's needed.
 
Sorry for the delay...Ikea Day For New Digs Furniture = 3 Me = 0.

You're thinking of those ice figure-skating pix, maybe? I think that with practice and familiarity would come a paring-down of the number of shots taken.

Yep, ice skating is my frame of reference as that is what my experiences are solely based on, in reference to the OP's queries, I can't directly answer as I don't know the first thing about shooting wildlife, but I've had a go.

One thing that I can assume remains the same in terms of importance, is the speed and nature of the subject.

Timing and selection of shot is, as Squizza mentioned earlier, a necessary foundation but having the extra room is not excessive or an excuse to be lazy by any means.

I'm far from the 'spray and pray' type. It's not about blasting away in the hope of getting a better shot, it's all about short, controlled bursts during as many sequences that will maximise the yield of saleable shots to the maximum amount of clients.
During the first Euro's, I had 6 clients iirc, and all of them want a piece of the pie. Timing and anticipation is everything and you need the tools that can keep up with demand.

Compare your own shooting-rate to what you were doing four or five years ago, maybe?
I'm willing to bet you're shooting shorter sequences now and the images themselves will be better as your familiarity with the sport has increased - you're better able to predict shots before they happen...

Basically, I shoot far less shots in a sequence but far more sequences of as many good manoeuvres as possible. Some manoeuvres aren't desirable material, like spins for example, it doesn't matter how beautiful or handsome as skater is, during a spin, they look like satan awakening from a binge or a little hamster under serious G-force. Some clients though, find the undesirable very desirable. In fact I got a *******ing from the picture desk at Bongarts for not shooting a pair of breasts when they fell out of one skaters costume. I don't do falls and I don't sell anything like that :thumbsdown:

True that the upgrade was at a premium and IMO a feature that the camera should have had fresh out of the box as with the D3s, you have to realise that the buffer was tiny in comparison to a Canon 1D, 16 raw files? for sports? Absolute Poo!

None the less the truth is that my selection of shots is far more ruthless but as I can keep up with the competitor, I get a higher yield of good and useable action shots.

In the larger events, there is a detailed info sheet on each competitor, which basically mentions what manoeuvres they are trying for, the point scoring is based upon this proposal, we don't know exactly where the skater will be on the ice but we have an idea of what they're up to.

So this knowledge combined with the skill, anticipation, timing and selectiveness with your shot, plus the technology being able to keep the pace, is basically the whole engine.

There's a world of difference between frantic continuos shooting and then carefully selecting your sequences.
A skater performs many manoeuvres in a very, very short space of time, so less frames but more sequences is a good thing. Trust me.

Besides, there's not much size-difference between a JPEG-F straight from the camera and one taken from a RAW - both are between 8-10Mb from a D3.
In a stadium-shoot, you do have time to set custom white balance and perform on-site tests to make sure your in-camera settings are optimised for the light there...
It's only if you're having to convert to TIFF for Library-use that things change and shooting RAW becomes more desirable.

Quite right, most of the time a full res jpeg will do but I've had many requests for 14 bit .NEF, the clients know what files the camera's kick out, whether the client really needs that or not is not up to me to question, their a paying client and if they want to buy or process a raw, for whatever purpose, (some have made banners and posters out of my images before now), the client is asking for it, I'd prefer to give them what they want as opposed to having to tell them "Sorry, I shot jpeg only".

Isn't RAW and JPEG fine essentially the same resolution? I understand you have more control with RAW with regard to editing but I'm sure they are still the same resolution.

True but as above, a retoucher or graphic designer, sometimes want the absolute maximum file size possible, especially when blowing them up to bus stop advert size for example.

Think you guys need to spend a month with a film camera and a motor drive. Shooting in bursts of 20 frames, for an event that lasts for more than 5 mins seems crazy to me - what happened to anticipation and timing?

While a baked bean tin and a bit of string pulled taught may still be a functional method of communication, try it's application in a modern world, when you have a business to run, competitors to compete with and an industry that moves as aggressively as it's technolgy advances.

Then you may realise that your missing the point somewhat with your above comment :)

It's not about being an arse photographer and trying to compensate with technology.

The most important issue here, is justifying the cost of a feature, in this case an upgrade to the tune 500€/£400, in relation to your requirements, means, circumstances and the demands your up against.
 
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