D4S - D810 - D750

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The D810 and D750 seem to be so good these days and great value for money, what type of photographer is buying the D4S and if so what's the main reason other than buffer/speed?
 
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I haven't got a D4/s but do own both the D810 & D750. Buffer and speed are what I miss most coming from D3s, when shooting action. It probably isn't so bad if you shoot from afar but trying to get frame-filled shots I find not so easy - Kingfisher emerging from a dive for example.
 
If you've got a D4s then you should be budgeting for the 500mm 2.8 with 1.7 convertor [emoji1]
 
To get frame filled shots of birds with full frame cameras you've got to go long lenses to get the quality! Crop sensors not so much as you get more reach with the same length lens
 
Mark twiglet said:
To get frame filled shots of birds with full frame cameras you've got to go long lenses to get the quality! Crop sensors not so much as you get more reach with the same length lens
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That's true of any body ......... my 600mm f4 works well with my D300, D7100, D700 and D750 as does my 300mm f2.8VR ..........IMHO the x 1.7 TC is quite weak ..... the x 1.4TC is better and I even prefer the TC20Elll to the 17 .... and I am sure that they will be good with the D7200 ........ if I were to buy another long lens it would be the 400mm f2.8 and the new TC20E ........ but's that's nothing to do with the question I asked

The question I asked was

"The D810 and D750 seem to be so good these days and great value for money, what type of photographer is buying the D4S and if so what's the main reason other than buffer speed?"
 
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BillN_33 said:
....what type of photographer is buying the D4S and if so what's the main reason other than buffer speed?"
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Presumably pro's who need the burst rate mainly, but also maybe because of low light capabilities/less noise?

The gap certainly has narrowed & presumably the likes of any new D8xx's etc will continue to improve, but there will still need to be `better` features/improvements kept for the D4 or successors to keep the pro's happy & sales figures ££££'s rolling in.

The way it's going I can see a much smaller range of SLR's which will cover the pro/serious amateur. It must be more cost effective in the long run?

It won't be too many years before manufacture of the SLR won't happen at all.
 
The d4 is only 24 mp full frame! So higher frame rate! The 810 is for quality 36mp but not high frame rate! Different sorts of photography!
 
OldCarlos said:
Presumably pro's who need the burst rate mainly, but also maybe because of low light capabilities/less noise?

The gap certainly has narrowed & presumably the likes of any new D8xx's etc will continue to improve, but there will still need to be `better` features/improvements kept for the D4 or successors to keep the pro's happy & sales figures ££££'s rolling in.

The way it's going I can see a much smaller range of SLR's which will cover the pro/serious amateur. It must be more cost effective in the long run?

It won't be too many years before manufacture of the SLR won't happen at all.
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just been reading an article Carl which clearly states that the high ISO images from the D750 are better than those from the D4S

I agree on the burst rate buffer ......... maybe sports shooters and BIF shooters ....... but that's seems to be the only advantage to me unless you want the built in grip ........ but the D750 is fast enough for me

The sensors - D7200 ......... D750 ............ and D810 also compete very well, (if not better), with the D4S . and I think that the D750 is catching up in the noise stakes even with a high pixel density

I have always fancied a D4 etc., but at £5k versus £1500 to £2k for the D750/810 ........ just wonder where the D4 range is going
 
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Mark twiglet said:
The d4 is only 24 mp full frame! So higher frame rate! The 810 is for quality 36mp but not high frame rate! Different sorts of photography!
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did you not read my question ... we know all that

Question: "The D810 and D750 seem to be so good these days and great value for money, what type of photographer is buying the D4S and if so what's the main reason other than buffer/speed?
 
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The D4S has got the speed/buffer advantage ......... does it need to be any faster ...... can it be any faster, (presumably not or limited whilst it relies on a mechanical mirror system)

The D750 and D7200 are faster than the previous models ...... and presumably this will continue

What can Nikon do to make the D5 worth, (to make people pay), two or three times the price of the next generation D750? and who will buy it, (Nikon buyers are not Leica buyers!)


I suppose this is what I'm getting at
 
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BillN_33 said:
just been reading an article Carl which clearly states that the high ISO images from the D750 are better than those from the D4S

I agree on the burst rate buffer ......... maybe sports shooters and BIF shooters ....... but that's seems to be the only advantage to me unless you want the built in grip ........ but the D750 is fast enough for me

The sensors - D7200 ......... D750 ............ and D810 also compete very well, (if not better), with the D4S . and I think that the D750 is catching up in the noise stakes even with a high pixel density

I have always fancied a D4 etc., but at £5k versus £1500 to £2k for the D750/810 ........ just wonder where the D4 range is going
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If the high ISO of the D750 ARE actually better than the D4, then I guess it's mainly just sport/BIF 'togs then.

I bought a D4 a few months ago (always had GAS for one :rolleyes: ) & tbh it felt fantastic! :cool: the images were great etc..... but it aint light (I'm not fussed for grips anyroad) & because I don't have a long prime, I found using my D800E gave me more reach/cropability/flexibility, so sold it.

Money wise, I reckon the D810 would suit 90% of folk.
 
OldCarlos said:
If the high ISO of the D750 ARE actually better than the D4, then I guess it's mainly just sport/BIF 'togs then.

I bought a D4 a few months ago (always had GAS for one :rolleyes: ) & tbh it felt fantastic! :cool: the images were great etc..... but it aint light (I'm not fussed for grips anyroad) & because I don't have a long prime, I found using my D800E gave me more reach/cropability/flexibility, so sold it.

Money wise, I reckon the D810 would suit 90% of folk.
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Carl

https://photographylife.com/nikon-d750-iso-comparisons
 
I have a D4. I bought it for the high ISO and FPS and the build quality and ergonomics. All of these features are useful for shooting gigs/sports and some wildlife.
If I used a studio I would probably have gone for a D810.

I think the D750 has fantastic IQ (from what I read) but having had a look at one I didn't like the ergonomics or the 'feel'.
 
Mark twiglet said:
The d4 is only 24 mp full frame! So higher frame rate! The 810 is for quality 36mp but not high frame rate! Different sorts of photography!
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Actually D4 is only 16MP, and no, you don't necessarily need 5/600mm to get frame-filled diving Kingfisher shot. In my workshop set-up we use 200mm. But the question was relating to the bodies, not lenses...
 
Just a thought - I suppose by making them "better" Nikon maybe pushing the conventional DSLR as far as it can go and a next logical step would be to follow Sony (after all Nikon do use the Sony sensor).

I am surprise that Nikon have not developed the V1 concept towards a DX sized sensor in a mirror-less body

Unless the D5 includes some very major innovative upgrades ....... the market for such a body will get smaller and smaller ........ for a number of reasons, (size being one of them and the technical ability of the D7's and D8's, being another)

so to make a bold statement, I reckon the D4S and beyond is dying ..... (but I'd still like one!!! ... just to see what it is like)
 
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I've only just gone fx (600) last weekend and shot an indoor strongman event and was astounded to get sharp images at 6400iso! My 7100 would struggle at 1600 ISO!
With the kit 24-85mm lens on too
 
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The D4S was only ever going to have a limited market, people make a living from their photography using far less "capable" kit, so I think they may well have hit the nail on the head with the D750. Offering that kind of performance, at that price point, in a compact body.. Gets not just people upgrading to FX for the first time in the Nikon camp, but several people shooting other systems who would have to replace APS-C optimised lenses anyway.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
The D4S was only ever going to have a limited market, people make a living from their photography using far less "capable" kit, so I think they may well have hit the nail on the head with the D750. Offering that kind of performance, at that price point, in a compact body.. Gets not just people upgrading to FX for the first time in the Nikon camp, but several people shooting other systems who would have to replace APS-C optimised lenses anyway.
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Go back a few years, when we had the D300 and then the D700 ............. as someone who is interested in bird photography a real major upgrade was to the D3, then D3S then D4 ...... it was something that had what you wanted over the D700/D300 with quite a big gap.

This gap has now for many many people gone with the D750 and (starting with the D800E)

There is very little left to "moan about"
 
I imagine that extra bit of build quality will continue to be important for photojournalists. History doesn't' wait for nice weather, and if you're risking life and limb in a conflict zone, the last thing you want is for the camera to give up the ghost. but of course, nobody wants to pay for photojournalists these days, so it's all iphone snaps...

Here's the breakdown of camera used in this years Sony World Photo Awards
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=25195.0
 
Chart is interesting ....... Canon far more than others ............... I sure that there are non photographic reasons, although clearly they produce top quality gear
 
Canon have just celebrated 12 consecutive years as the market leader in interchangeable lens camera. That's the sort of lead that helps re-enforces itself. IMO they've spent a lot on marketing but wisely, have had the right models to tempt 'soccer moms', and a lens line-up that impresses. That latter being the reason why, despite all the 'woe betide Canon's sensors', there's been no wholesale fleeing to Nikon.
 
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Canon have just celebrated 12 consecutive years as the market leader in interchangeable lens camera. That's the sort of lead that helps re-enforces itself. IMO they've spent a lot on marketing but wisely, have had the right models to tempt 'soccer moms', and a lens line-up that impresses. That latter being the reason why, despite all the 'woe betide Canon's sensors', there's been no wholesale fleeing to Nikon.
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They also have/had the video crowd.
 
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