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Well I know which one I prefer.
Is that the punchy, crisp shot or the fuzzy, mottled one?
Well I know which one I prefer.
Is that the punchy, crisp shot or the fuzzy, mottled one?
I don't know about significantly more powerful, but I do know the Canon flash system is nowhere near as user friendly as Nikon's
yeah just noticed that the 5d is underexposed compared to the d700, but i did say its not perfect.two different exposures with those files.
But if you shoot studio portraits or landscapes at 100 ISO do you need a fancy AF system, high FPS rate, weatherproofing and terrific high ISO performance, or would you rather have more detail in your images? The AF performance of the 5D2's centre point is actually pretty decent. I agree the outer points can be a let down, not always, but occasionally. It's not about which tool is better in a Top Trumps shootout, but which tool is better for your needs. The D700 will never produce a 21MP image, but there is plenty the D700 can focus on that the 5D2 can equally well. Not everything about a camera has to be "brilliant" - it just needs to be good enough to do the job well.
Not really a problem if you know what you are doing
So the D700 is better for photo illiterates
yeah just noticed that the 5d is underexposed compared to the d700, but i did say its not perfect.
Hmm...
I don't do studio stuff - it's mostly outdoors (motorsport/rugby etc.) so the weather sealing does matter. The D80 has got wet more times than I care to think about. FPS matters too - so I guess I'll stick with Nikon. Thanks everybody...
not really looked to be honest, all i know is the jpeg straight from camera,I was going to say that all the shots from the canon look slightly under exposed and the nikon over exposed.
The problem with the 5dII is if you use fast primes wide open you have to either place the subjects eye miles off the third and crop or focus/recompose. If it had the sexy Nikon or even 1 series/7d AF I'd never have switched.
I have only once had a problem with a 5D2 outer focus pointing failing me in a real world shooting situation. That was when I was trying to take a candid shot of someone indoors while they were backlit against a very bright sky through an open doorway out onto a veranda. The simple solution was to aim at an area of the person with a bit more contrast Problem solved. At other times I have had no problem at all with the outer points.
Of course, now that the OP has had the decency to share with us the fact that he will be shooting sports in the pouring rain I do wonder why the thread was ever started. It's all been a bit of a waste of people's time if you ask me. I mean, if you knew that was your intended use why would you ever pose the question in the first place? It's a slam dunk for the Nikon.
Tripe. The outer points work, just not as well as the centre in low contrast situations. In a studio this isn't really a factor. I use the outer points all the time in all sorts of conditions and have not had reason to complain.
I disagree it's probably neither and he should be looking at either the Nikon 3D series or the Canon 1D series. THen he needs to also look at the cost of weatherproofed lenses and he will find he probably needs a S/H 1DMk3.
But out of D700 or 5DII, the D700 is obviously a more suitable choice for the OP.
why.Again depends on lens choice and their price really.
why.
Agreed, but don't the D3 and D700 share AF systems?Well yes, but since the D700 and 5D2 were the only two options put on the table and he wanted full frame and the decision appears to be price sensitive....
I'm watching this thread closely, as I intend to go full frame this year. However, most of my work is child portraits, and wouldn't want to miss shots due to slow or inaccurate AF. I think the D700 and its 51 point 3D tracking is for me, for this purpose, but I just can't get over the appeal of the 5d mkii and its MP count. God knows...by the time I've saved for it, I may well have even more choice, not sure if that's good or bad lol
look at the samples i provided does there look like there is 9mp more i would say not.
when looking at the original file and zooming in exactly the same the is nothing in it that my eyes can see.I think it does.
When you're comparing the 5DII downsized to the D700 at 100%, it's going to be sharper.
If you upscale the D700 image it probably won't looks so good compared to the 5DII
And those samples are at higher ISO where details aren't as finely defined.
Of course, now that the OP has had the decency to share with us the fact that he will be shooting sports in the pouring rain I do wonder why the thread was ever started. It's all been a bit of a waste of people's time if you ask me. I mean, if you knew that was your intended use why would you ever pose the question in the first place? It's a slam dunk for the Nikon.
scottthehat said:look at the samples i provided does there look like there is 9mp more i would say not.
when looking at the original file and zooming in exactly the same the is nothing in it that my eyes can see.
take a look on the site down load them and compare.
Mahoneyd187 said:I'm watching this thread closely, as I intend to go full frame this year. However, most of my work is child portraits, and wouldn't want to miss shots due to slow or inaccurate AF. I think the D700 and its 51 point 3D tracking is for me, for this purpose, but I just can't get over the appeal of the 5d mkii and its MP count. God knows...by the time I've saved for it, I may well have even more choice, not sure if that's good or bad lol
That would certainly be true for people who, like me, shoot to raw, but not so useful for those who shoot to JPEG. However, my recent experience examining JPEG files from various Canon cameras, including my own 5D2 and 7D, confirms the superiority of raw. For me personally those JPEG comparisons are a waste of time. For some they might be useful, but given the myriad of ways to set up each camera I somehow doubt it.It's a shame that site doesn't use RAW files processed through ACR with the same parameters, would make for a fairer comparison than OOC jpg's.