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well ... more of an ADMIN really.

would be nice to have our own (y)

someone who understands the F&C thing !.. not necessarily to moderate, but maybe to put stickies up, and organize threads that need to keep up top, rather than disappear into the abyss


Maybe a FAQ section ... dev - scan - print - DIY - tesco/asda/... - getting started - etc.etc
just a thought ;)

it's late, and I'm tired... but you get the jist ! ...please feel free to discuss (y)
 
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that was quick (y)

I had seen you about here , but only as a mod - not part of the F&C forum

like I said ... more of an admin job for this area ..

maybe we could just discus ideas, then ask you to action them ?

but , I've seen ideas asked here that are overlooked by those that dont frequent.




Just 'spouting' ATM :D
 
I do pop in often, but don't post much, just keep an eye on things really, but as I said, please do shout up if there are things you think could be done. Can't promise everything will be actioned, and some things will require staff room discussion, but will do what we can where we can.
If a discussion thread does develop use the rtm button, all the staff can see it that way. Also fine to pm me if you want to sound out any ideas initially.
 
How about a dedicated F&C for sale and swap section Yvonne? its hell picking through the combined one sometimes.

Could also include all processing gear in that one as well.
 
Tricky69 said:
:LOL::LOL::LOL:

that was quick (y)

I had seen you about here , but only as a mod - not part of the F&C forum

like I said ... more of an admin job for this area ..

maybe we could just discus ideas, then ask you to action them ?

but , I've seen ideas asked here that are overlooked by those that dont frequent.




Just 'spouting' ATM :D
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If you do spot anything that you think is worthwhile, how about using the RTM button (the little red triange) - It's not just for moaning about someone posting oversize images or inflamatory comments - just hit the button and say "this could be a good idea - any chance of looking into it!" and someone in the mod's palatial recreation room will tear themselves from their settee, put down the Jaffa Cakes and have a look into it for you. I know - I have to admit, I use it quite a lot - mainly when producing a leaderboard for the POTY competition, and the response is usually swift and favourable :)

Top and bottom of it is, there's not many MOD's to go around, and by-and-large, F&C is pretty well behaved and self policing, so you don't SEE the:bat:being waved all that much - but they're there when you need 'em.
 
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TheBigYin said:
If you do spot anything that you think is worthwhile, how about using the RTM button (the little red triange) - It's not just for moaning about someone posting oversize images or inflamatory comments - just hit the button and say "this could be a good idea - any chance of looking into it!" and someone in the mod's palatial recreation room will tear themselves from their settee, put down the Jaffa Cakes and have a look into it for you. I know - I have to admit, I use it quite a lot - mainly when producing a leaderboard for the POTY competition, and the response is usually wsift and favourable :)

Top and bottom of it is, there's not many MOD's to go around, and by-and-large, F&C is pretty well behaved and self policing, so you don't SEE the:bat:being waved all that much - but they're there when you need 'em.
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I wouldn't have known about using the RTM button, other forums I use state that it is STRICTLY (by penalty of certain death ! ) for reporting abuse only.

I've not been here long, but since being here, I dont seem to venture out into the wider TP world, unless I have something specific to ask or research..

There does seem to be an opinion by several on here, and I have noticed comment a few times, that the 'genral' TP lot - dont understand this section, and what the users of it would like it to be.

an example is a critique section. not wanting comments about noise, and could you show us you B&W shots in colour etc

the tesco asda dev&scan thread would make a great sticky at the top, with someone - from here- to 'admin' it collate the good stuff, make a list by region, highligh things like Photo express offer TP discount, and delete the dross from inbetween.

a FAQ sticky at the top, with links to threads with valuable discussion content

Hints and tips - different film types - DIY wet stuff - DIY dark room printing. I'm sure over a shourt period of time, a valuable resource could develop !

As it is, once it's gone off the bottom of the page, it's almost lost


Mods may be in short supply, which is the reason for this thread . We don't need 'moderating' as such, more of a book keeper , just a couple of peep's from F&C, that have the ability to make stickies, admin competition threads, move stuff about , etc etc.


ok ... I've rambled a bit now ...
I'll start making notes of other ideas that get mentioned and passed by, and put a short list up in a week or so. see what people think
 
I think that a 'film type' sticky would be a good idea as at least once a week someone new to film comes in and asks what a good film to start with is. Obviously theres going to be lots of opinions on this but if there could be an easy to see list of what people like then they will be able to choose much easier.

A sticky about the Photo Express offer would be good as well.
 
s162216 said:
I think that a 'film type' sticky would be a good idea as at least once a week someone new to film comes in and asks what a good film to start with is. Obviously theres going to be lots of opinions on this but if there could be an easy to see list of what people like then they will be able to choose much easier.

A sticky about the Photo Express offer would be good as well.
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I think that it'd be a free advert, and if they want to advertise on here, they should speak to the powers that be directly... there are people on here that probably pay good money to get the blue "Advertiser" tag you know :nono:

I think that the main reason I like TP is that the forum as a whole is very "soft moderated" and I'm loath to change that in any way. Or to put a more cynical viewpoint on it - the more that the mods hang out in here, the more they'll bugger about with things and move threads out into the general areas.:shake:
 
I'll not rock the boat then ... I'll let it lie for a bit :)
 
***the Tesco Asda dev&scan thread would make a great sticky at the top, with someone - from here- to 'admin' it collate the good stuff, make a list by region, highligh things like Photo express offer TP discount, and delete the dross from inbetween.***

Anything said about Tesco will be history soon as they seem to be pulling out of film work.
 
:LOL: I am starting to think the only one that gets it is TBY... let me know if you want stuff sticking, unsticking, etc. Certainly there would be an issue with adverting stuff, but for example, if you want to get your heads together and start a thread that culminates in a single tutorial style post about what film is best, or what film camera to start with, just DO IT! When you have it sorted, it can be stuck here and also posted in the tutporials section, double the chance of it being found. ;)

As for a F&C dedicated sales forum - not a goer at the moment I am afraid, mainly because things might all change over the next few months anyway - see the thread Marcel has posted about what you all want the forum to be in FD for more info on that. However, it will be born in mind when the time comes.

Tricky - using the RTM button here is NOT a crime, its the easiest way to get hold of a staff member. (y)
 
... apart from a jaffa cake and a bit of string :D
 
I think that the same streak of "rugged individualism" that makes us go out and use old/outmoded/deprecated technology despite the overwhelming view by "the modern world" that we're a bit funny in the head also means that organising anything in F&C is a little bit like herding cats. It took about 3 weeks from mooting a Film shooting challenge to actually posting a thread to get the challenge started. We then over-ran the original timescale by another week. In short, when it comes to getting our collective harris in gear, we're crepe.

By the definition of the word "moderator" their primary task is to moderate the unsuitable behaviour of members of the forum. Okay, you CAN get help and assistance from them, but that's not what they're primarily tasked with. Much as a police officer is there to stop you breaking laws, or catch you if you do. Yes, you CAN ask them the time (as in the old, old song) but you're more likely to be told "move along Hippy" than "it's 10:34 sir"
 
Well, what could be seen as a little bit annoying is the total lack of presence, then out of the blue, out of context, big boots come in, kick around a bit, then leave. Unlike the police which one can see there all the time, even active in communities, the Admin team *give the impression* of not being part of this little area until they sense an infraction - an infraction that, had they been more active in here, would maybe have been seen to be somewhat justified.

Maybe we need an Admin/moderator from within these walls, because I for one *very* rarely venture outside now since almost everything I do/say gets jumped on. Means I don't know the Admin staff at all, other than when I get banned for reacting in what to me seems perfectly normal ways. I'd vote for BY if there were an election.
 
isn't that what I said :thinking: :LOL:

I'd vote for BY too ;) sorry BY :D


Sorry - I missed the disappeared post by Pepper .... was it relevant ?
 
Not really no - you wanted a dogsbody...

Pepper's post was about the way mods are seemingly perceived here.

I suspect that for the majority of regulars in here, and bearing in mind that we do tend to be self-governing to a large extent, any moderation/action is seen as coming from "outside" and so resented as knee-jerk stuff.
 
I'm exercised by Ujjwal's disappearance to the extent I'm seriously considering maintaining a presence on the forum. That's not a big flounce, there's too much hypodermic moderation on the internet and I hoped this board was different.
It's a measure of the prevailing goodwill that while Ujj and I are poles apart politically we find a common language in photography. That's precious and worth preserving.
 
ever get the feeling you are perpetuating the myth though by using the terminolgy 'moderator'? I admit its a word in general use across the internet, but carries connotations of 'bossy' amongst others. yes, the job is to deal with problems, but equally, good ones like we have here will help where ever they can, if you just ask.
 
But you are a moderator, whether it's a big or little m it's not me/us perpetuating the terminology... it's the board and by association, you! It's up there at the top of the page and I certainly didn't put it there.

Personally, considering the way recent issues have been dealt with, I am thinking along the same lines as Colpepper - with haphazard/badly-informed moderation comes overtures of suppression.
 
Yv said:
ever get the feeling you are perpetuating the myth though by using the terminolgy 'moderator'? I admit its a word in general use across the internet, but carries connotations of 'bossy' amongst others. yes, the job is to deal with problems, but equally, good ones like we have here will help where ever they can, if you just ask.
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Fair point! I definitely like to call you lot Staff rather than moderators...

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Ambermile said:
Personally, considering the way recent issues have been dealt with, I am thinking along the same lines as Colpepper - with haphazard/badly-informed moderation comes overtures of suppression.
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Only in your mind Arthur, you might want to take a step back and consider the issues we have to deal with with a slightly more impassioned viewpoint and from the perspective of the entire forum.

You might also want to consider getting the staff on your side rather than creating a battlezone where there was none. F&C is not a 'special case', sorry, if we made it such, every other specialist area would want the same, and the resources simple are not there on this FREE forum. Try working together, you might just be surprised.
 
Tricky69 said:
isn't that what I said :thinking: :LOL:

I'd vote for BY too ;) sorry BY :D


Sorry - I missed the disappeared post by Pepper .... was it relevant ?
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AH but doesn't power corrupt...just think of those nasty:- traffic wardens, jobs worth types, policemen, politicians etc etc that were nice once ;)
 
When you start working with me I'll do the same - but coming in here with guns blazing and no idea of the history of various issues is not going to do it - for me at least.
 
Duck.... its a sniper.
 
Arthur, Pepper - please, please, please - I know Ujjwal's potential leaving after getting a temporary suspension is awful - I personally feel like a good friends left us - and I really,really hope that he's reading this and realises how much he's missed by our little sub-section - I doubt if anyone else on here has the same commitment to "the cause" of F&C as he has, I mean - most of us DO have digital cameras - even if we only use them to take photo's to post in the "New Toy" thread or for fleabay. If you read this Ujjwal - come on back home - we've put the kettle on, and even bought some biscuits!

As for the perception of heavy-booted moderation - well - to be honest, compared to some forums i've been on, I think that the staff have got it about right - though some seem to "get it" a bit better than others do - the real problem is that most of us have had so much flak for shooting film already we've already pre-overreacted - our natural setting is to assume that people are out to get us, so if anything COULD be construed as being a bit that way WE tend to go for the throat when in this sub-forum - it's like a animal defending it's own little bit of territory.

And thanks for the nominations guys, but Brian's right - I'm far too spiteful and nasty to be given any power whatsoever, it'd go straight to my head :LOL:
 
No BY, it's not that. It's the "Staff" being out of touch with this area.
 
TheBigYin said:
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The whole reason you don't often see us in here is BECAUSE it's such a refined and well behaved section. Quite simply we don't really need to be in here that often and as none of us are heavily into film use anymore we've no reason to be, apart from moderation. (Edit: thinking about that maybe it is time I got the Oly I bought a couple of months ago into use again)

That doesn't mean to say we're not interested or don't care, it's just that we're normally too busy putting out fires elsewhere, shifting threads, sorting out image hosting problems etc etc where we're needed.

I had a look at the thread which I suspect is behind all this and to be honest I'd have handled it in exactly the same way. Any moderation required in here is handled in exactly the same way as it is elsewhere on the board, it's just that generally there is less needed.
 
Ambermile said:
No BY, it's not that. It's the "Staff" being out of touch with this area.
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Arthur, please explain it to me as I'm baffled. I can only give this morning's "swear filter" incident as an example so can you explain to me how the moderation of that should have differed compared to any other area of Talk Photography? How do you think it should have been handled?
 
I was a pure filmie for over 40 years and went completely the other way 3 years ago.
I may well be getting a couple of 35mm bodies again, but as a photographer who doesn't give a **** about the medium used to record my images there does appear to be a them and us/ film is superior attitude from some people in this section.

When I've moderated forums in the past it is not so much the content I had to moderate more the attitudes and personalities. Nobody is out of touch with doing that and F&C is not a private section for the few but part of a wider forum of ............photographers.

FWIW I'd have suspended a member for attitude problems and I have been on some where suggesting a mod is out of touch would have resulted in a permanent ban.

Can't we all just get along?:)
 
fabs said:
Arthur, please explain it to me as I'm baffled. I can only give this morning's "swear filter" incident as an example so can you explain to me how the moderation of that should have differed compared to any other area of Talk Photography? How do you think it should have been handled?
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Nothing to do with that at all (though I am still rather ****ed about that incident) more to do with the cavalier banning of someone for "not particularly well thought-out and researched" reasons.

Enough already - it's your forum so you're gonna do what you want regardless.

As for the above post about them and us, sheer b******s - we all use film and digital, just some of us more one than the other.
 
Ambermile said:
Nothing to do with that at all (though I am still rather ****ed about that incident) more to do with the cavalier banning of someone for "not particularly well thought-out and researched" reasons.
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So tell me why you're ****ed off about it. You complain about the moderation but you're not making any suggestions about how it should be different.
 
Personally I think that the moderation on this forum is (generally) just right. I don't feel that the mods are anything other than comrades in photography who happen to have a responsibility for keeping the forum running smoothly. As to this little area it is in the main self-policing and friendly and this is why we don't see our friends from the 'outside' very often, lets keep it that way.
Also I don't feel in anyway defensive about my using a film camera, in fact I always feel superior to people using digital if I am using film but I also shoot a lot with digital so it's probably wrong of me to feel like that. But I'm nearly 50 so s*d 'em I'm allowed to feel superior sometimes. :naughty:

Andy
 
You want me to justify your actions? Why not re-instate the post as originally made and see who thinks it's offensive.
 
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