F1 - 2018 discussion

jonoooo125 said:
At least stroll got crashed into rather than being embarrassed by his slow car, not an eventful race either
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Pretty sure Stroll did the crashing into, it looked like he sideswiped Hartley into the wall from the replays.

Though, yes, a really dreary race.

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Even Stroll admits he hit Hartley.

Lance Stroll said his first-lap collision with Brendon Hartley was triggered by him losing control of his car.

Stroll and Hartley retired from the race after the dramatic crash which left both cars in the barriers at turn five. The Williams driver said he was “fine” after the crash and described how it happened.

“I had a good start and gained a few positions,” he said. “I was side-by-side with Brendon going into turn five.

“The car got loose on me, I corrected it, but there was not much room for both of us. And by the time I collected it we touched.”
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https://www.racefans.net/2018/06/10/369966/
 
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Sad to say but the Formula E race in Zurich was a lot more interesting - even if they do sound like Scalectrix :naughty:
 
And while it's not F1, it is another FIA series and it does have current and former (and posssibly future) F1 drivers competing, so it's the 2018 edition of the Le Mans 24 hour race this weekend. Some bloke called Alonso, of whom you may have heard, is one of the drivers for one of the Toyota entries in LMP1. Jensen Button is on one of the independent LMP1 teams, Montoya in an LMP2 car and Fisichella in a Ferrari GT car (which is production car based rather than a prototype).

Given what happened to them in 2016, I won't be unhappy of Toyota win, although a lot of people are whinging as they are the only manufacturer so only hybrid in the class, which gives them a performance advantage (manufacturers have to run hybrid systems that are very expensive but give more power. independents have to run conventional engines to keep the cost down for them). Should have been something like 7 seconds a lap advantage but they went to the FIA with the other teams and an "Equivalence of Technology" adjustment was brought in to the technical regulations to bring the theoretical gap down to around 0.25% (0.5s/lap) . Means that provided the better independent teams run flawlessly, Toyota will have to be problem free as well to win, but if they are they should win easily.

Last year all the manufacturer LMP1 cars broke down or crashed, and the one independent got hit on the first lap, punctured the radiator and blew the cylinder head seal so was forced to retire. It was only the Porsche spent a long time repairing one of the damaged cars and go it back out again that allowed them to just claim overall victory from a car in the next class down.

If not Toyota, then I'll be supporting Rebellion and By Kolles, that have both been longstanding independent supporters of P1.
 
onomatopoeia said:
Given what happened to them in 2016, I won't be unhappy of Toyota win, although a lot of people are whinging as they are the only manufacturer so only hybrid in the class, which gives them a performance advantage (manufacturers have to run hybrid systems that are very expensive but give more power. independents have to run conventional engines to keep the cost down for them). Should have been something like 7 seconds a lap advantage but they went to the FIA with the other teams and an "Equivalence of Technology" adjustment was brought in to the technical regulations to bring the theoretical gap down to around 0.25% (0.5s/lap) . Means that provided the better independent teams run flawlessly, Toyota will have to be problem free as well to win, but if they are they should win easily.
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To say someone "wins" is a bit of a joke...

The other LMP1 cars, which are not hybrids and are run by privateer teams, have a series of handicaps laid out in the rules.

They are not allowed to lap faster the Toyotas, and if they do, they are called in to the pits for a drive-through penalty.

Hybrids can do 11 laps between fuel stops and non-hybrids only 10 and hybrids have a minimum pit-stop time five seconds shorter than the non-hybrids.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/44465899[/QUOTE]
 
- not exactly a level playing field is it, no doubt toyota will make a big deal of winning it but not sure that anyone will recognise it as a true victory,


whole host of former F1, indycar and WTCC drivers in the field
 
Dave1 said:
To say someone "wins" is a bit of a joke...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/44465899
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Benson completely failed to explain the context, made a massive oversimplification of the regulations and has been roundly criticized for that particular article. Even so, lots of people have still used that quote without understanding why the regulations have been written that way.

Under the regulations as the cars were built, which were to encourage increasing use of hybrid technology by manufacturers by performance increases and how they have been raced in the hybrid era, a hybrid car should be about 7-8 seconds faster than a non-hybrid around Le Mans and be able to do two more laps on a tank of fuel. Manufacturers must run hybrids, which are very expensive, independents must run conventional powertrains, which are much cheaper. In previous years there have been multiple manufacturers, so there was a race between them. This year there aren't, so in order to stop Toyota cruising to victory by many laps without stressing the cars at all, and after Toyota lobbied the FIA to do it, an "Equivalence of Technology" adjustment has been made to bring the independents much closer in performance that they should be, in fact to within 0.25% of Toyota's speed (0.5s/lap), by allowing them greater performance, and only do one less lap than a hybrid on a tank of fuel. This has been calculated by analyzing lap speeds in practice / testing to work out what performance boost to give them. If an independent car suddenly starts running consistently faster than the Toyotas in the race, absent extenuating circumstances that means they were sandbagging when the EoT adjustment was being calculated and that is when penalties will be considered and it would be for exceeding the performance of the class, not for being faster than the Toyotas.

The BBC article you quoted doesn't explain that at all, so if you don't know much about endurance racing and happened to look at the BBC site you would get a very blinkered and misguided view, unfortunately.
 
onomatopoeia said:
The BBC article you quoted doesn't explain that at all, so if you don't know much about endurance racing and happened to look at the BBC site you would get a very blinkered and misguided view, unfortunately
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But the BBC are very good at this and not only motor racing
 
Red Bull make the call; Honda switch is on


Red Bull have decided to swap from Renault to Honda power, with Christian Horner confirming the news on Tuesday.

Frustrated with Renault’s V6 power unit, Red Bull have spent the past four and a half years blaming the engine for their lack of World titles.

This year, although Daniel Ricciardo is fourth in the standings, it again looks as if a title tilt may be a step too far for Red Bull and Renault.

As such the four-time World Champions have decided to change to Honda.

“This multi-year agreement with Honda signals the start of an exciting new phase in Aston Martin Red Bull Racing’s efforts to compete not just for grand prix wins but for what is always our goal: championship titles,” he said.


More at:
https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bull-make-the-call-honda-switch-is-on/
 
I wonder how much of a head start RBR have over the other teams in respect of building the 2019 car under the new aero regs - bearing in mind of course that they haven't been finalised :)
 
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Unless Honda can produce a power unit that goes well in the Red Bull they may regret entering a partnership with them. Red Bull are an excellent racing team but they do have a tendency to publicly blame their suppliers for any failings. Interesting point made by Renault last week that the upgrade in Canada performed well for all their cars/customer cars but not quite as well for Red Bull due to them having their own fuel deal. Wonder if that will be the case with Honda.
 
2018 FORMULA 1 PIRELLI GRAND PRIX DE FRANCE

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Circuit Paul Ricard
Lap data
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UK Times
Friday 22nd June 2018
French Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 12:00-13:30 (UK time: 11:00-12:30)
French Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 16:00-17:30 (UK time: 15:00-16:30)
Saturday 23rd June 2018
French Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 13:00-14:00 (UK time: 12:00-13:00)
French Grand Prix Qualifying: 16:00 (UK time: 14:00)
Sunday 24th June 2018
French Grand Prix: 16:10 (UK time: 15:10)

Previous Winners
2008 Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari Magny-Cours
2007 Finland Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari
2006 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2005 Spain Fernando Alonso Renault
2004 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2003 Germany Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW
2002 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2001 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2000 United Kingdom David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes
1999 Germany Heinz-Harald Frentzen Jordan-Mugen-Honda
1998 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
1997 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
1996 United Kingdom Damon Hill Williams-Renault

Videos

Pirelli tyre test on board (not the whole track)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRRJ9mfZZB8


Patrese 1990 onboard
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk0_tpMEHg0


Facts from the last race
Celebrity guest Canadian Grand Prix flag-waver Winnie Harlow can claim she was in good company when she hung out the chequer too early under instruction from an official.

The first occasion this happened in F1 was 40 years ago at the Argentinian Grand Prix. The culprit on that occasion was none other than local hero and five-times Formula 1 world champion Juan Manuel Fangio, who mistook Ronnie Peterson’s fifth-place Lotus for that of his race-leading team mate Mario Andretti.

Two other races have been brought to an early end due to hasty flag-waving since then. Alain Prost was shown the chequered flag a lap early when he won the British Grand Prix in 1985 and the same happened to Lewis Hamilton in China four years ago.

Last weekend it was Sebastian Vettel who won, scoring the 50th victory of his F1 career in Canada. That made him the fourth driver in F1 history to score a half-century of victories, joining Michael Schumacher, Prost and Hamilton.

Vettel’s victory was the 232nd for Ferrari. They now have 50 more than the next most successful team, McLaren, which has gone more than five years without winning a race. Williams, who are third on the list with 114, have been waiting even longer.

It was Ferrari’s first win at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve since 2004. They’d waited even longer for a pole position, but Vettel’s 54th career pole on Saturday ended their 17-year drought in Canada. Vettel also ended Hamilton’s run of three consecutive pole positions at this track.

It was a processional race to say the least. The top two places were occupied by the same two drivers all race long: Vettel and Valtteri Bottas. The last time this happened, in Mexico last year, Bottas also finished second.

Bottas took his fourth podium finish of the year in Canada, all of which have been second places. It’s worth reflecting again on how much that puncture in Azerbaijan cost him: without it he’d be only two points behind Hamilton and would have finished ahead of his team mate more often than not so far this year.

Although Hamilton could only manage fifth, his worst finishing position at this track, it was his 32nd consecutive points finish, which puts him five ahead of the previous record.

There were no points for Fernando Alonso in his 300th appearance in a round of the world championship. He has only started 297 races, having not officially started the 2001 Belgian Grand Prix, 2005 United States Grand Prix and 2017 Russian Grand Prix. He should therefore reach his 300th F1 race start at Silverstone. That will also be his fifth race on consecutive weekends.

We are now one-third of the way through this 21-race season. All of the seven races so far have had the following things in common: Alonso has out-qualified Vandoorne, the pole sitter has kept the lead on lap one, Ericsson has not made it into Q2 and Grosjean and Sirotkin haven’t scored any points.

Drivers’ Chosen Tyres
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Championship Standings
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All the wings for this one will be on tilt for downforce
Lets hope its not processional
 
2008? Last race was back in 1998.sienna came third
KevC said:
2018 FORMULA 1 PIRELLI GRAND PRIX DE FRANCE

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Circuit Paul Ricard
Lap data
tbc

UK Times
Friday 22nd June 2018
French Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 12:00-13:30 (UK time: 11:00-12:30)
French Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 16:00-17:30 (UK time: 15:00-16:30)
Saturday 23rd June 2018
French Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 13:00-14:00 (UK time: 12:00-13:00)
French Grand Prix Qualifying: 16:00 (UK time: 14:00)
Sunday 24th June 2018
French Grand Prix: 16:10 (UK time: 15:10)

Previous Winners
2008 Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari Magny-Cours
2007 Finland Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari
2006 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2005 Spain Fernando Alonso Renault
2004 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2003 Germany Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW
2002 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2001 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2000 United Kingdom David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes
1999 Germany Heinz-Harald Frentzen Jordan-Mugen-Honda
1998 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
1997 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
1996 United Kingdom Damon Hill Williams-Renault

Videos

Pirelli tyre test on board (not the whole track)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRRJ9mfZZB8


Patrese 1990 onboard
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk0_tpMEHg0


Facts from the last race
Celebrity guest Canadian Grand Prix flag-waver Winnie Harlow can claim she was in good company when she hung out the chequer too early under instruction from an official.

The first occasion this happened in F1 was 40 years ago at the Argentinian Grand Prix. The culprit on that occasion was none other than local hero and five-times Formula 1 world champion Juan Manuel Fangio, who mistook Ronnie Peterson’s fifth-place Lotus for that of his race-leading team mate Mario Andretti.

Two other races have been brought to an early end due to hasty flag-waving since then. Alain Prost was shown the chequered flag a lap early when he won the British Grand Prix in 1985 and the same happened to Lewis Hamilton in China four years ago.

Last weekend it was Sebastian Vettel who won, scoring the 50th victory of his F1 career in Canada. That made him the fourth driver in F1 history to score a half-century of victories, joining Michael Schumacher, Prost and Hamilton.

Vettel’s victory was the 232nd for Ferrari. They now have 50 more than the next most successful team, McLaren, which has gone more than five years without winning a race. Williams, who are third on the list with 114, have been waiting even longer.

It was Ferrari’s first win at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve since 2004. They’d waited even longer for a pole position, but Vettel’s 54th career pole on Saturday ended their 17-year drought in Canada. Vettel also ended Hamilton’s run of three consecutive pole positions at this track.

It was a processional race to say the least. The top two places were occupied by the same two drivers all race long: Vettel and Valtteri Bottas. The last time this happened, in Mexico last year, Bottas also finished second.

Bottas took his fourth podium finish of the year in Canada, all of which have been second places. It’s worth reflecting again on how much that puncture in Azerbaijan cost him: without it he’d be only two points behind Hamilton and would have finished ahead of his team mate more often than not so far this year.

Although Hamilton could only manage fifth, his worst finishing position at this track, it was his 32nd consecutive points finish, which puts him five ahead of the previous record.

There were no points for Fernando Alonso in his 300th appearance in a round of the world championship. He has only started 297 races, having not officially started the 2001 Belgian Grand Prix, 2005 United States Grand Prix and 2017 Russian Grand Prix. He should therefore reach his 300th F1 race start at Silverstone. That will also be his fifth race on consecutive weekends.

We are now one-third of the way through this 21-race season. All of the seven races so far have had the following things in common: Alonso has out-qualified Vandoorne, the pole sitter has kept the lead on lap one, Ericsson has not made it into Q2 and Grosjean and Sirotkin haven’t scored any points.

Drivers’ Chosen Tyres
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Championship Standings
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Well that was more interesting than anticipated!
Lewis won it easy but does he have a point about Vettel's penalty?
I can see his point, you ruin someone's race, the punishment should be higher than a 5 second penalty. 10 second stop and go maybe.
 
2018 FORMULA 1 EYETIME GROSSER PREIS VON ÖSTERREICH

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Red Bull Ring
Lap data
Lap length 4.326km (2.688 miles)
Race laps 71
Race distance 307.02km (190.773 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’08.337 (Michael Schumacher, 2003)
Fastest lap 1’06.228 (Lewis Hamilton, 2016, qualifying two)
Maximum speed 322kph (200.081 mph)
DRS zone/s (race) Pit straight and second straight
Distance from grid to turn one 323m
Full throttle 65%
Longest flat-out section 868m
Downforce level Low/medium
Gear changes per lap 32
Fuel use per lap 1.48kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.056s

UK Times
Friday 29th June 2018
Austrian Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 11:00-12:30 (UK time: 10:00-11:30)
Austrian Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 15:00-16:30 (UK time: 14:00-15:30)
Saturday 30th June 2018
Austrian Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 12:00-13:00 (UK time: 11:00-12:00)
Austrian Grand Prix Qualifying: 15:00 (UK time: 14:00)
Sunday 1st July 2018
Austrian Grand Prix: 15:10 (UK time: 14:10)

Previous Winners
2017 Finland Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
2016 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2015 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes
2014 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes
2013–2004 Not held
A1-Ring
2003 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2002 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2001 United Kingdom David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes
2000 Finland Mika Häkkinen McLaren-Mercedes
1999 United Kingdom Eddie Irvine Ferrari
1998 Finland Mika Häkkinen McLaren-Mercedes
1997 Canada Jacques Villeneuve Williams-Renault

Videos

Bottas on board 2017
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6neCCqOlNI


Nakajima on board 1987 Os-ring
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x3RJUOPPKk


Facts from the last race
Lewis Hamilton scored the 65th win and 75th pole position of his Formula 1 career in last weekend’s French Grand Prix.

It would have been a lights-to-flag victory for Hamilton had he not made his pit stop one lap before Kimi Raikkonen, who hit the front for a single lap. Hamilton didn’t take the fastest lap en route to his third grand prix victory of 2018 either: that went to Valtteri Bottas, for the third time this year.

Consistency is the name of the game for Hamilton at the moment. This was a record-extending 33rd points finish in a row for him.

This also means he has equalled Nick Heidfeld’s record of finishing in 33 races in a row, which Heidfeld did between the 2007 Chinese and 2009 Italian Grands Prix.

Hamilton’s latest victory means he has now won at all 21 venues on this year’s F1 calendar.

Hamilton has also set a new record for most wins in different grands prix. The French Grand Prix is the 23rd different event he has won, one more than Michael Schumacher.

Raikkonen, meanwhile, broke Alain Prost’s record for the most circuits at which he has taken a podium finish. Paul Ricard is the 30th different track where Raikkonen finished on the podium. Hamilton tied Prost on 29 at the last race, so this record could also fall to him eventually.

For Raikkonen, this was also the 25th podium finish since his last race victory. The next-longest win-less podium streak belongs to Jean Alesi, with 16.

Having lost the championship lead to Vettel in Canada, Hamilton regained it immediately in France. This is the first time in four years the championship lead has changed hands in two consecutive races: Hamilton took the points lead off Nico Rosberg at the 2014 Spanish Grand Prix but lost it again at the next round.

Fernando Alonso scored points each of the first five races but has missed out in all of the three since then. However he retained his perfect qualifying record against team mate Stoffel Vandoorne.

Carlos Sainz Jnr became the second driver from outside the ‘big three’ teams to run inside the top three positions during a race this year. The other was Sergio Perez when he finished on the podium in Baku.

France’s three F1 drivers were all involved in collisions on the first lap of their home race. Pierre Gasly and Esteban Ocon retired on the spot, while Romain Grosjean made it to the finish. These three drivers have completed the fewest racing laps so far this year, with Gasly bottom on 322 out of a possible 487.

Finally, Paul Ricard returned to the F1 calendar 28 years after its last race. This is one of the longest intervals between world championship races at the same venue. In 2007 F1 returned to the Fuji circuit in Japan following a 30-year break.

This is outstripped by Indianapolis, which had a 40-years break between its races in 1960 and 2000. However its 1960 race was the Indianapolis 500, when it counted towards the F1 world championship, which was not run to Formula 1 rules.

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PaulF said:
Well that was more interesting than anticipated!
Lewis won it easy but does he have a point about Vettel's penalty?
I can see his point, you ruin someone's race, the punishment should be higher than a 5 second penalty. 10 second stop and go maybe.
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It's a hard one to call, although any penalty given to Vettel makes me smile.
Sadly once the stereotypical arrogant German in him came out (I've met a few Germans who are nothing like that) it put me off him and the wheeling banging incident in Azerbaijan last year was the the last straw for me.
Still at least one thing is good, the FIA (are not playing 'Ferrari International rescue') like they did for Michael Shumacher
 
hashcake said:
It's a hard one to call, although any penalty given to Vettel makes me smile.
Sadly once the stereotypical arrogant German in him came out (I've met a few Germans who are nothing like that) it put me off him and the wheeling banging incident in Azerbaijan last year was the the last straw for me.
Still at least one thing is good, the FIA (are not playing 'Ferrari International rescue') like they did for Michael Shumacher
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Though they were still lenient on him, completely ruining another driver's race deserved more, a 10 second stop and go penalty at least.
 
Quite a good qualifying session, quite funny to see all the Ferrari fans having a sulk over Vettel's penalty :p
 
Should have been dropped back a slot behind the driver he held up as well as have to pay for the damaged front wing.
 
jonoooo125 said:
3 places is enough for him to still get a podium I’m sure
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Once he negotiates grosjean, that could be a bit nip and tuck, especially if seb has his arrogant head on and then there is max If he copes with them it should be easy for kimi to let him pass, shouldnt it
Its all on the first corner up the hill
 
Grosjean, Max and Magnussen? all have shown they enjoy bumper cars just as much as (or even more than) Vettel does.

He's also just in front of a p***ed off Danny Ricciardo.

If he decides to arrogantly try to push through from the start it won't end well.
 
Here's hoping!
 
Just looking at the c4 quail report as I missed it yesterday, was that max putting himself before the team?
 
I hope Danny ric takes up mclarens offer, promote norris up to a race seat, if they sort out “the best chassis on the grid” they might move up next year, they’ll be the 2nd Renault team after the works team obviously so should have a good shot
 
Mozthecat said:
Are you watching the same formula, qualify first, get through the first corner and sit on your butt isn’t it with the current aero? ;)
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Pretty much but I would expect a pit wall call for VB to let LH through at some point. IF they were still 1-2.
 
Good race, I thought. Plenty of action, good result for Haas as well.
 
Well beyond time they stopped allowing cars to pit during safety car or VSC.

As for Mercedes, their "strategy dept" has been woefull for a couple of years now!
 
Not sure they can stop SC pitting. The fact that an SC has been called almost always means there's a likelihood of debris on track and CF debris often means punctures which necessitate a pit stop. They COULD impose a minimum stop time during SC periods though which might remove any benefit of tactical stops.

Wo makes the Mercedes strategy calls? Needs a P45!
 
I dunno, is this not all about marketing for them? Who are we talking about post race? Seems like a perfect strategy in that respect...
 
Nod said:
Wo makes the Mercedes strategy calls? Needs a P45!
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A person by the name of James Vowles who actually came on the radio and apologised to Hamilton for his strategy error.
 
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