F1 - 2018 discussion

Eric Boullier has resigned from McLaren team principal role (possibly before he was pushed)
Bring back whitmarsh!! Haha no im kidding but what did Eric do really? He didn’t need do much at lotus and when everyone else was leaving he decided to abondon ship too, I’m glad he has gone and maybe someone who has an idea about what they’re going to do will come in.

he had rubbish Honda engine protection for long enough but Renault engines have been winning races. On the other hand, it can’t be a very healthy environment at McLaren, there seems to be managerial restructuring all the time lately, even through losing, red bull are consistent.
 
2018 FORMULA 1 ROLEX BRITISH GRAND PRIX

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Silverstone Circuit
Lap data
Lap length 5.891km (3.66 miles)
Race laps 52
Race distance 306.332km (190.346 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’30.874 (Fernando Alonso, 2010)
Fastest lap 1’29.243 (Lewis Hamilton, 2016, qualifying two)
Maximum speed 329.5kph (204.742 mph)
DRS zone/s (race) Pit straight and Hangar straight
Distance from grid to turn one 296m
Full throttle 70%
Longest flat-out section 1034m
Downforce level High
Gear changes per lap 40
Fuel use per lap 2.8kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.112s

UK Times
Friday 6th July 2018
British Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 10:00-11:30 (UK time: 10:00-11:30)
British Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 14:00-15:30 (UK time: 14:00-15:30)
Saturday 7th July 2018
British Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 11:00-12:00 (UK time: 11:00-12:00)
British Grand Prix Qualifying: 14:00 (UK time: 14:00)
Sunday 8th July 2018
British Grand Prix: 14:10 (UK time: 14:10)

Previous Winners
2017 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2016 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2015 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2014 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2013 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes
2012 Australia Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault
2011 Spain Fernando Alonso Ferrari
2010 Australia Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault
2009 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2008 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2007 Finland Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari
2006 Spain Fernando Alonso Renault
2005 Colombia Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes
2004 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2003 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Ferrari
2002 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2001 Finland Mika Häkkinen McLaren-Mercedes
2000 United Kingdom David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes

Videos

Vettel vs Alonso 2014
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giGukOORHcg


Senna 1993 on board
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6hgD_EHv4A


Facts from the last race
The remarkable thing about Max Verstappen’s fourth career Formula 1 victory in last weekend’s Austrian Grand Prix is that he is yet to start a race from pole position.

The Red Bull driver therefore ties the record held by Eddie Irvine and Bruce McLaren for most race wins without a pole position. It’s hard to imagine he’s never going to score one, particularly as he’s out-qualified Daniel Ricciardo 6-2 so far this year (in sessions where both set times).

The only other driver who scored exactly four wins in their F1 career was the late Dan Gurney, who passed away earlier this year.

It all looked good for Mercedes on Saturday. Valtteri Bottas took his fifth career pole position, which put him level with Giuseppe Farina, Chris Amon, Clay Regazzoni, Patrick Tambay and Keke Rosberg. Lewis Hamilton joined him on the front row having missed out on pole by 19 thousandths of a second – the slimmest margin since Nico Rosberg beat Hamilton to pole at Suzuka in 2016.

It began to go wrong for them when Bottas lost the lead at the start. The last pole sitter who lost the lead by the end of lap one was also Bottas, in last year’s Brazilian Grand Prix.

But that was nothing compared with what was to follow, as both cars failed to make the finish. The last time that happened to Mercedes was at the 2016 Spanish Grand Prix, when Rosberg and Hamilton took each other off on lap one.

You have to go back to the 1955 Monaco Grand Prix for the last time two Mercedes retired from an F1 race due to technical problems. On that occasion Juan Manuel Fangio was sidelined with transmission trouble and an engine failure halted Andre Simon. The team’s third car, driven by Stirling Moss, was still running at the end, albeit 19 laps down.

Hamilton’s retirement means he tied Nick Heidfeld’s record for finishing in 33 consecutive races. He also established a new record for finishing in the points for 33 races in a row, increasing Kimi Raikkonen’s previous record by six races.

Raikkonen’s wait for a victory goes on. He has now finished on the podium 26 times since his last win, 10 more than any other driver in F1 history.

Vettel finished third and regained the lead of the championship from Hamilton. The points lead has changed hands for the last three races in a row. This hasn’t happened within a season since the beginning of the 2012 season when Jenson Button, Fernando Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel swapped the lead of the championship over the first four races.

In their 50th race, Haas finally delivered on the promise they have shown all year. They equalled their best ever starting position (fifth), achieved their highest individual car finish (fourth) and highest points score in a race (22). The result was a two-place jump in the constructors’ championship to fifth, ahead of McLaren and Force India.

Renault failed to score for the first time this year, and will have to take the threat from Haas seriously. There’s just 13 points between them, and Haas’s points haul in Austria was more than twice as much as Renault has managed in any race.

Force India claimed its first double points finish of the year. Behind them came Alonso who made up 12 positions from the start of the race – the most of any driver this year – on his way to eighth. He also sustained his 100% qualifying record against Stoffel Vandoorne.

Sauber scored points with both its cars for the first time since the 2015 Australian Grand Prix, when Felipe Nasr and Marcus Ericsson took fifth and eighth positions.

Finally, for the first time in the history of the world championship, three different teams have each won three races over the opening nine races of the season. Considering just two years ago Mercedes won 14 of the first 15 races, that’s a considerable improvement in the standard of competition.

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Championship Standings
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Interesting tactics by someone... Hell of a drive from dead last to take 2nd - surprised he wasn't happier with that after his start.
 
Think the FIA should adopt the rules from Radio Control racing, you take someone out, you pull to the side and wait for them to recover and go back past you.
I mean, that's the second time a top class driver in a Ferrari has managed to collect a Merc on the opening lap, I'd expect it from the young guns getting excited but from a 4 times champion and the oldest guy on the grid!
 
I dunno, there has been little enough overtaking already on some circuits due to the aero packages etc, don’t want to see drivers finding reasons not to try it...
 
Don't mind them trying to overtake, you know, side by side or outbraking into a corner but locking up and taking someone out isn't attempting an overtake, it's a schoolboy error normally seen in the lower formula's not the so called best drivers in the world.
 
Don't mind them trying to overtake, you know, side by side or outbraking into a corner but locking up and taking someone out isn't attempting an overtake, it's a schoolboy error normally seen in the lower formula's not the so called best drivers in the world.
May not have been an error.... Ferrari seem to be making a habit of taking out mercs.
 
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Some really silly shenanigans in F2 this weekend, culminating with Ferrucci being banned for a couple of races. Looks like his stupidity is going to bring an end to his potential F1 career. Hopefully we won’t see him return to IndyCar either.
 
Both the Vettel and Kimi incidents are prime examples of racing accident's and not deliberate attempts to crash into the Mercs (despite what Lewis, Mercedes or Fan Club Sky Sports want to put out there), there is so much wrong with that conspiracy it's hard to know where to start. An easy starter for ten would be the fact that this is not like stock car or BTCC racing, contact between these cars normally results in damage to both cars (the Kimi and Lewis one toady was lucky in it was solid wheel to wheel), Ferrari are not going to jeopardise the possibility of getting points in the hope they stop a Mercs when it could go so horribly wrong for them.

Instead what we see is the reason I, and others, can not warm to Lewis. Yes he's a fantastic driver, the best on the grid atm (although Alonso seems to differ on that point, amazingly he always seems to have his greatest race each week......well so he says anyhow) but instead of celebrating a really good recovery drive to second, he goes in the huff in Parc-Ferme, refuses to speak to Martin, storms off as soon as possible and then needs to thinly accuse another driver of deliberately crashing into him.

I feel that the Mercedes team is coming to the end of their life cycle, any improvements on the car now is giving less and less of a performance boast compared to what Ferrari are getting out of their car. I wouldn't be surprised to seem them announce that 2019 will be the last year of Mercedes being in F1 as a constructor team.
 
Both the Vettel and Kimi incidents are prime examples of racing accident's and not deliberate attempts to crash into the Mercs (despite what Lewis, Mercedes or Fan Club Sky Sports want to put out there), there is so much wrong with that conspiracy it's hard to know where to start. An easy starter for ten would be the fact that this is not like stock car or BTCC racing, contact between these cars normally results in damage to both cars (the Kimi and Lewis one toady was lucky in it was solid wheel to wheel), Ferrari are not going to jeopardise the possibility of getting points in the hope they stop a Mercs when it could go so horribly wrong for them.

Instead what we see is the reason I, and others, can not warm to Lewis. Yes he's a fantastic driver, the best on the grid atm (although Alonso seems to differ on that point, amazingly he always seems to have his greatest race each week......well so he says anyhow) but instead of celebrating a really good recovery drive to second, he goes in the huff in Parc-Ferme, refuses to speak to Martin, storms off as soon as possible and then needs to thinly accuse another driver of deliberately crashing into him.

I feel that the Mercedes team is coming to the end of their life cycle, any improvements on the car now is giving less and less of a performance boast compared to what Ferrari are getting out of their car. I wouldn't be surprised to seem them announce that 2019 will be the last year of Mercedes being in F1 as a constructor team.

I wasn't suggesting that they deliberately crashed into the merc's, I was suggesting that the penalty for doing so was/is not adequate.
Seb got a 5 second penalty, Kimi a 10 second one. Both merc drivers lost far more time than the respective penalties, explain how that is a fair system.
A 10 second stop and go should be the minimum.

A true racing incident where the blame/fault lies with both parties is fair enough but Lewis left Kimi enough room, no suggestion of him squeezing him. A schoolboy error by Kimi.

How about, if you take someone off and you know it's your fault you wait for them to go past you thus you have the same penalty, if you don't and the stewards deem you to be at fault you're called into the pits, sit and wait for the 'victim' to go past then released from the pits(no work to be done on the car), so if you hold your hands up you get the same punishment as the person you took off but if you chance it you get a bigger punishment.

There was plenty of clean and hard racing in the gp and in the support races too so it's not like they could not overtake.
 
I wasn't suggesting that they deliberately crashed into the merc's, I was suggesting that the penalty for doing so was/is not adequate.
Seb got a 5 second penalty, Kimi a 10 second one. Both merc drivers lost far more time than the respective penalties, explain how that is a fair system.
A 10 second stop and go should be the minimum.

A true racing incident where the blame/fault lies with both parties is fair enough but Lewis left Kimi enough room, no suggestion of him squeezing him. A schoolboy error by Kimi.

How about, if you take someone off and you know it's your fault you wait for them to go past you thus you have the same penalty, if you don't and the stewards deem you to be at fault you're called into the pits, sit and wait for the 'victim' to go past then released from the pits(no work to be done on the car), so if you hold your hands up you get the same punishment as the person you took off but if you chance it you get a bigger punishment.

There was plenty of clean and hard racing in the gp and in the support races too so it's not like they could not overtake.

In that regard it would/should be like the situation where, because of a track error, a driver 'jumps' a turn they have to give the place gained back to the affected driver.....................??? That perhaps is the best/better way to treat the likes of the recent Lewis/Kimi incident?
 
2018 FORMULA 1 EMIRATES GROSSER PREIS VON DEUTSCHLAND

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Hockenheimring

Lap data
Lap length 4.574km (2.842 miles)
Race laps 67
Race distance 306.458km (190.424 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’13.780 (Kimi Raikkonen, 2004)
Fastest lap 1’13.306 (Michael Schumacher, 2004, qualifying two)
Maximum speed 313kph (194.489 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 310m
Full throttle 53.5%
Longest flat-out section 1240m
Downforce level Medium
Gear changes per lap 40
Fuel use per lap 1.5kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.045s

UK Times
Friday 20th July 2018
German Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 11:00-12:30 (UK time: 10:00-11:30)
German Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 15:00-16:30 (UK time: 14:00-15:30)
Saturday 21st July 2018
German Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 12:00-13:00 (UK time: 11:00-12:00)
German Grand Prix Qualifying: 15:00 (UK time: 14:00)
Sunday 22nd July 2018
German Grand Prix: 15:10 (UK time: 14:10)

Previous Winners
2017 Not held
2016 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Hockenheimring
2015 Not held
2014 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes Hockenheimring
2013 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault Nürburgring GP-Strecke
2012 Spain Fernando Alonso Ferrari Hockenheimring
2011 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes Nürburgring GP-Strecke
2010 Spain Fernando Alonso Ferrari Hockenheimring
2009 Australia Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault Nürburgring GP-Strecke
2008 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes Hockenheimring
2007 Cancelled (replaced by 2007 European Grand Prix)
2006 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari Hockenheimring
2005 Spain Fernando Alonso Renault
2004 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2003 Colombia Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW
2002 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2001 Germany Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW
2000 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Ferrari

Videos

2012 various on boards
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aolTbZkysW8


Ales 2001 on board (long track)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC4YKF4nafk


Facts from the last race
Lewis Hamilton may not have taken a record-breaking sixth win the British Grand Prix, but he did match another record belonging to his Formula 1 hero Ayrton Senna.

Hamilton’s sixth pole position at Silverstone means he has tied Senna’s record for most pole positions in a driver’s home race. Senna scored three poles at Jacarepagua and three more at Interlagos in front of his home crowd.

More obscurely, Hamilton also became the first driver to take eight podium finishes in the British Grand Prix.

Vettel took his 51st career win, which means he draws level with Alain Prost in third place on the all-time winners’ list. He set the 34th fastest lap of his career, and first since Mexico last year, on the way.

With Kimi Raikkonen in third place, Ferrari equalled their best result of the year. Mercedes is the only team to have scored a one-two so far.

Fernando Alonso became the fourth driver in F1 history to start 300 grands prix (he marked his 300th race weekend in Canada). If he returns for another season next year he should surpass Rubens Barrichello’s record of 322 race starts, set between 1993 and 2011.

The McLaren driver doesn’t seem to be slowing down: He maintained his perfect record in qualifying against his team mate, out-qualifying Stoffel Vandoorne for the 10th time in as many races. Vettel has the next-best record this year, 9-1 up against Raikkonen.

Alonso added more points to McLaren’s tally but couldn’t stop them from losing a position in the championship for the second weekend in a row, falling to seventh. Last year they had two points after 10 races, so 48 today represents a huge improvement. But they scored 40 in the first five races and eight in the last five…

Toro Rosso are also struggling. They posted their fourth consecutive no-score last weekend, the worst run of any team this year with one exception. This is, of course, Williams, whose driver Sergey Sirotkin is the only one still yet to score after the first 10 races. He hasn’t even completed a lap inside the top 10 yet.

Retirements for Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz Jnr mean Vettel is now the only driver to see the chequered flag in every race. The world championship leader has also scored points in every round.

Finally, having reached Q3 at every round so far this year, Sainz surprisingly failed to make it out of Q1 at Silverstone. The same five drivers have reached Q3 at every race this year: the Mercedes and Ferrari duos, plus Daniel Ricciardo. Of these the best run belongs to Raikkonen, who last failed to reach Q3 at the Hungaroring in 2016, and at Silverstone achieved his 40th consecutive Q3 appearance.

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o is it this weekend?
Duh.
UK Times
Friday 20th July 2018
German Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 11:00-12:30 (UK time: 10:00-11:30)
German Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 15:00-16:30 (UK time: 14:00-15:30)
Saturday 21st July 2018
German Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 12:00-13:00 (UK time: 11:00-12:00)
German Grand Prix Qualifying: 15:00 (UK time: 14:00)
Sunday 22nd July 2018
German Grand Prix: 15:10 (UK time: 14:10)
 
Lewis Hamilton has signed a new contract with Mercedes to continue driving for F1's reigning world champions in 2019 and 2020.

"I'm very confident that Mercedes is the right place to be over the coming years. Although we have enjoyed so much success together since 2013, Mercedes is hungrier than ever," said Hamilton.

The reigning F1 world champion had been due to become a free agent at the end of the year before putting to pen on an extension reputedly worth £40m annually.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...ton-signs-new-mercedes-deal-for-2019-and-2020
 
What a race!

Was really funny when the crowd cheered Vettel's crash.
The same thing happened at Silverstone in 2013, I was in the stands cheering too :naughty:

Good race though, exciting middle part, shame for bottas but he did have a chance straight after the safety car, full wets though? Haha, sack whoever made that decision
 
2018 FORMULA 1 ROLEX MAGYAR NAGYDÍJ

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Hungaroring

Lap data
Lap length 4.381km (2.722 miles)
Race laps 70
Race distance 306.67km (190.556 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’19.071 (Michael Schumacher, 2004)
Fastest lap 1’18.436 (Rubens Barrichello, 2004, qualifying one)
Maximum speed 315kph (195.732 mph)
DRS zone/s (race) Pit straight and second straight
Distance from grid to turn one 618m
Full throttle 44%
Longest flat-out section 908m
Downforce level High
Fuel use per lap 1.5kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.059s

UK Times
Friday 27th July 2018
Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 11:00-12:30 (UK time: 10:00-11:30)
Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 15:00-16:30 (UK time: 14:00-15:30)
Saturday 28th July 2018
Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 12:00-13:00 (UK time: 11:00-12:00)
Hungarian Grand Prix Qualifying: 15:00 (UK time: 14:00)
Sunday 29th July 2018
Hungarian Grand Prix: 15:10 (UK time: 14:10)

Previous Winners
2017 Germany Sebastian Vettel Ferrari Hungaroring
2016 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2015 Germany Sebastian Vettel Ferrari
2014 Australia Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull-Renault
2013 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2012 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2011 United Kingdom Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes
2010 Australia Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault
2009 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2008 Finland Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes
2007 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2006 United Kingdom Jenson Button Honda
2005 Finland Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes
2004 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2003 Spain Fernando Alonso Renault
2002 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Ferrari
2001 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2000 Finland Mika Häkkinen McLaren-Mercedes

Videos

2001 Kimi onboard
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJbJ3zzFY0I


2015 various on boards
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONxcwUoLzKE



Facts from the last race
When Sebastian Vettel slid into a barrier on lap 52 of the German Grand Prix it was the first time in 13 years a Formula 1 driver has crashed out of the lead by themselves.

Not since Fernando Alonso hit a wall while leading the 2005 Canadian Grand Prix has a single-car incident claimed the race leader.

On the other occasions a driver has retired from the lead since then a mechanical failure has usually been to blame. Two exceptions involved Lewis Hamilton, who collided with leader Nico Rosberg at Spain in 2016 and was leading when he was hit by Nico Hulkenberg at Interlagos in 2012.

Vettel’s retirement ended his 14-race streak of points finishes, which included every race this year. Unusually, this was the third race in a row where the winner of the previous grand prix failed to score.

The weekend began promisingly for Vettel, who took Ferrari’s 20th German Grand Prix pole position on Saturday. This was his first retirement from the lead since the 2016 Austrian Grand Prix, when he suffered a tyre failure.

Vettel’s demise means he still hasn’t won an F1 race at the Hockenheimring. It opened the door for Hamilton to take his 66th career win. This leaves Hamilton 25 shy of Michael Schumacher’s all-time victories tally.

Hamilton’s victory from 14th on the grid also has a connection to Alonso: The last time anyone won from as low a starting position was when Alonso scored his notorious 2008 Singapore Grand Prix win.

The last driver to win from 14th was Jenson Button at the Hungaroring in 2006. Just 14 races in F1 history have been won from 14th or lower than the grid, which is 1.4% of the 987 world championship races to date.

Team orders at Mercedes meant Valtteri Bottas had to follow Hamilton home. He therefore collected his fifth second-place finish of the year, though he remains yet to score a victory in 2018.

The same goes for Kimi Raikkonen, who has now finished on the podium more times than team mate Vettel this year without winning a race. Sunday was his fourth consecutive podium finish without winning.

Fourth place for Max Verstappen means he is now one point behind team mate Daniel Ricciardo in the championship. Things were looking a lot tougher for him five races ago, when he was 72-35 down against his team mate.

As usual the ‘big three’ teams dominated proceedings. It’s now more than three years since a lap was led by a driver not in a Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull.

However Toro Rosso scored their first point in the German Grand Prix for 10 years thanks to Brendon Hartley. “I doubled my points today,” he joked after taking his second 10th-place finish of the season.

Drivers’ Chosen Tyres
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Official! Ricciardo to leave Red Bull end of 2018

Daniel Ricciardo will leave Red Bull Racing at the end of this season, that’s according to the team.

Although Ricciardo had hinted that he would re-sign with Red Bull, going as far to say it will “definitely” be sorted before Spa, in a shock announcement on Friday the team revealed he would be leaving at the end of this season.

“We fully respect Daniel’s decision to leave Aston Martin Red Bull Racing and we wish him all the best in his future,” announced team boss Christian Horner.

“We would like to thank him for his dedication and the role he has played since joining the Team in 2014, the highlights of course being the seven wins and the 29 podiums he has achieved so far with us.”

https://www.planetf1.com/news/official-ricciardo-to-leave-red-bull-end-of-2018/

Supposed to be off to Renault, according to the rumours.
 
Rumours were true.

Renault Sport Formula One Team is pleased to confirm Daniel Ricciardo will join the team from the 2019 season. He will team up with current driver Nico Hülkenberg.

Jérôme Stoll, President, Renault Sport Racing:
“Renault decided to come back to Formula One to fight for World Championships. Signing Daniel Ricciardo is a unique opportunity for the Groupe Renault towards this objective that could not be missed. We welcome Daniel’s arrival to our team, still in the making, but more motivated than ever.”

Daniel Ricciardo:
"It was probably one of the most difficult decisions to take in my career so far. But I thought that it was time for me to take on a fresh and new challenge. I realise that there is a lot ahead in order to allow Renault to reach their target of competing at the highest level but I have been impressed by their progression in only two years, and I know that each time Renault has been in the sport they eventually won. I hope to be able to help them in this journey and contribute on and off track."

https://www.renaultsport.com/daniel...formula-one-team-from-2019.html?r=331&lang=en
 
Is it just me or does this seem like a step backwards? Yes, it's racing for a manufacturer but they are less competitive than Red Bull imo.
 
Is it just me or does this seem like a step backwards? Yes, it's racing for a manufacturer but they are less competitive than Red Bull imo.

But Red Bull will be running a Honda engine next year, he doesn’t want to end up sitting on a deckchair watching the race :p
 
Everyone seems to think alonso would go to red bull, I don’t get it? They’re going to have the Honda engine he’s been complaining about and also, they can have gasly or sainz. How is it even a rumour?
 
Everyone seems to think alonso would go to red bull, I don’t get it? They’re going to have the Honda engine he’s been complaining about and also, they can have gasly or sainz. How is it even a rumour?

I would agree, I would think Alonso is also pretty toxic in Honda’s eyes after the way he’s spoken about them and their engine.
 
Everyone seems to think alonso would go to red bull, I don’t get it? They’re going to have the Honda engine he’s been complaining about and also, they can have gasly or sainz. How is it even a rumour?

I think its a leap to far, I guess it is because on current form the red bull seat is the only one available that may offer Alonso a chance at a world championship.
 
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