First Wedding Shot

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Just over a year ago some friends of mine asked me if I would photograph their wedding – now anyone that has been a member on this forum for any length of time knows the usual threads that appear regarding this and also the way they usually end up. I therefore avoided posting at the time with another thread along the lines of “my friend has asked me to shoot their wedding, what should I do / how do I shoot a wedding?” Instead I had a good search through the previous threads and although some of them descended into chaos there are a few threads in existence that offer genuinely good advice and these were a great help when I was preparing to shoot this wedding. This is after all a great forum and as a result I think it’s only fair I post my experiences of the day from a amateurs point of view in the hope to help others out who are not wedding photographers and fall into the category of guests who have been asked to photograph at a wedding.

Now before I get shot to pieces I should probably explain that I have never had any aspirations to be a full time wedding photographer, I’m simply an enthusiastic amateur, and the following is just my experience and opinions from doing one wedding, not necessarily the right way to do things. So here’s my thoughts and the way I did things.

Firstly a bit of background, the couple in question had seen my previous work and knew I had enough of a clue to carry it off but are also aware I’m not a professional and had expectations that reflect this. This can of course be where the problems start as just because:
a.) somebody who can take a decent picture won’t necessarily be any good at photographing a wedding and,
b.) clients expectations vary wildly.
I was comfortable with this and see any opportunity like this as a way to learn and a way to develop my photography, I’m also always happy to help friends out. If I wasn’t comfortable doing it I wouldn’t be doing it.

Contract

I’ve read may times that you must get a contract, I didn’t. My personnel view on this would be that you should make the decision on whether you need a contract. Now I know there are horror stories out there about people getting sued but I made a personnel judgment based on the friendship I have with the couple and given that I wasn’t getting paid and was there as a guest I would not have felt comfortable asking them to sign anything. I know there will be people on here that will disagree with this and if you are getting paid then that’s a different story, especially regarding insurances, tax, etc. Maybe I’m too trusting but it’s who I am and feel I’m a good judge of character, everyone is different so make your own mind up based on the situation you are in.

Preparation

If you look back through previous threads the same thing comes up every time – preparation, this should not be under estimated if you want to do a good job.
First things first, you need to understand the basics and be comfortable with the camera and how it works. So many people posting on here don’t even know the basics but expect to be able to shoot a wedding, if this is the case then you will struggle. One thing that struck me is there is so many other things to think about that if the settings you need for a given shoot don’t come naturally to you then you really aren’t going to get the shots you want.
What the couple want is key and critical in the preparation, I had plenty of conversations with the couple prior to the wedding regarding style of photography and luckily they were clued in enough to have done research and knew what they wanted. The style they were going for was reportage which avoided the need for all of the formal sots. (They did get me to take one or two formal shots but as a rule I was taking reportage style shot which suited me). They sent me links to the sort of photos they liked, but I also spent plenty of time researching by looking through other wedding photographers photos. A great bit of advice I can give it would be to, look at the photos, find what works and what doesn’t and dissect the photo to work out how it was taken, what settings were used, how it was lit, the angle it was taken from, the focal length? Look at the web sites of other local photographers that shoot at the same venue, where do they stand the bride & groom? Make notes and take them with you, as I said there is loads going on and it’s easy to get distracted, especially as you will probably know a lot of the guests. The notes I had make before really helped keep me focused on what shots I wanted, where I was going to get them and who was going to be in them.
If you can visit the venue beforehand then do, fortunately for me the couple were having their reception at the same venue I was married at 7 years earlier so I knew the place well, however I hadn’t visited the church. This was a concern as I had no idea what the conditions were like in there, all I knew was it was a modern church building. To get round this I attended the rehearsal the day before the wedding which was of huge benefit. It gave me a chance to take test shots which I then had chance to assess at home and realise any mistakes or ways I could improve.

Equipment

Again preparation is important here and ideally you should have back-up equipment but not everyone shooting a wedding as a guest has this luxury. Only you can make the judgement on the consequences of what happens if your camera packs up but it wasn’t a risk I would have taken. I had the following:

Bodies:
D7000
D90 (borrowed)

Lens
Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8 VR
Nikon 17-55mm f/2.8
Nikon 50mm f/1.4
Nikon 35mm f/1.8

Plus:
Flash (SB-600) fitted with Opteka FB-50
Spare battery
Tri-pod

I had taken the D90 as a back-up only but quickly learned at the rehearsal that it is far easier to just use two bodies, one with the 17-55mm and the other with the 70-200mm. I would certainly have missed some shots if I’d been just swapping the lenses between a single body. I now understand why wedding photographers are always carrying two cameras. I’ve already said it abouve but things happen quickly and you need to be ready to capture the shot.
One thing I struggled with was light (or lack of it), mainly as nearly every shot was indoors and on a dark December day. I simply couldn’t have managed with a camera that couldn’t deliver at high ISO and f2.8 lenses, even with both these things I was always struggling to keep the shutter speed up and the images needed noise reduction in PP to get them looking good. I’ve read it so many times but I’ll repeat it here – you can uses a noisy image, you can’t use a blurry one so if you need to get the shot don’t be afraid to up the ISO. The majority of time I was shooting at ISO 1600 and above but if you have done your preparation and know the venues then you’ll be prepared, in the summer it might not be an issue but it can often be dark inside a church and not knowing that till 5 minutes before the service is just going to panic you. If you don’t have the right gear to do a good enough job then hiring it would be the right thing to do.

I didn’t use all of the equipment I took, I only used the 50mm for the details on the cake and flowers and the 35mm didn’t get used at all, nor did the tri-pod or the spare battery. One thing I did use is a lot of memory card capacity and you really need to make sure you have enough memory cards. I took 1168 photos through the day and that takes up a lot of space when you are shooting RAW, for the price of cards these days it’s worth having plenty and I’m of the opinion that you are better off with lots of smaller cards that one big one in case it goes corrupt. I divided the day up into sections (e.g. Bridal prep, Service, Reception, Evening) and shoot each section on a different card, it makes it easier to stay organised and reduces the chance of losing all data if you do have an equipment failure.

On the Day

The main observation I have here is just how fast things happen and there are no second chances. I know this is the third time I’ve mentioned this but the day really did seem to go by at a lightning pace. I made sure I had a list of the timings of events throughout the day so that I could try and get things prepared and be in the right place at the right time with the right lens.
I’d agreed to go over to the hotel where the bride was getting ready to do a few shots over there, after all it gave me something to do while my wife was getting her hair done, etc. This was probably the calmest part of the day and there was time to think about what I was doing but that wasn’t to last.
After leaving there and heading over to the church my confidence was good and during the ceremony all went well. I was able to move round the church getting all the shots I had planned and although the lighting wasn’t great I was able to shoot down to some pretty slow shutter speeds using the VR and bracing myself against the wall etc. The wedding rehearsal had been absolutely invaluable and although during the rehearsal I had missed important shots but I’d learned from these mistakes and got what I needed.
Once at the reception the started I was snapping away getting candid shots where I could and then the cake cutting, speeches, etc. and before I knew it the evening guests were arriving but I was happy I’d got enough shots.

Room for improvement

I learned a lot in a very short period of time through the day and although it went as well as I hoped there is room for improvement and in many cases its stuff that would come with experience, hence why the seasoned wedding photographs do such a good job. You can’t buy experience, hence why I was free. One photo that could certainly have improved was the first dance, and I had originally warned the couple not to expect great things from this shot as I would consider it something that can’t be done easily without plenty of experience. I know there was a long thread about this recently with various differing opinions for lighting it but based on my lack of experience I’d opted for the SB-600 on camera with a Opteka FB-50 Flash Bouncer (knowing that the ceiling at the venue was too high to bounce the flash off). Better results could almost certainly have been achieved with a couple of off camera speedlights, ideally held by an assistant but this was way outside the original scope of what I was there to do. The groom had already said he expected me to be too drunk to get a decent first dance shot by that time anyway!

Post Wedding

Make sure you back everything up! I’m always quite paranoid about losing images and had my D7000 set to write to 2 memory cards simultaneously when I was shooting. I also back everything up once it’s on the computer as there is no point in putting in the effort to record great images and then having your computer fail on you. I copied everything to my computer hard drive and an external hard drive before I considered formatting the memory cards. The couple didn’t want much post processing done, the only thing I really did was to delete all the poor photos which left me with about 600 images, and then reduced the noise where it I’d used high ISO and cropped any photos that needed it. I then burned the RAW files to DVD (took 3 discs) and exported all the files as full size JPEGs and burned them to disc for the couple (another 2 off DVD’s).

Have Fun

For people in my situation, i.e. they are a guest as well as a photograph, you need to still enjoy the day. If you don’t think that’s going to be possible then I’d suggest not doing it as the main reason you are there is to share in the couple’s wedding day and celebrate with them. A few of my other friends had suggested to me that being the photographer would spoil the day for me and maybe if I’d been stressed about it then that would have been the case. My view is that it’s about striking the right balance between being a guest and getting the shots and with this comes compromise. If I’d had the camera glued to my face for the full day I would have caught some more great candid shots, however I wouldn’t have socialised with friends and enjoyed the atmosphere of the day. The couple I was shooting for appreciated this and told me no make sure a still had a good day, however I’m sure not every couple is this understanding and for many it might not even cross their minds, after all, wedding photography is easy , isn’t it?

I think it’s fair to say I invested a fair amount of time and effort into researching and shooting this wedding and although it was of no financial gain to me it was a great learning experience and something that will undoubtedly aid other areas of my photography. I was under no illusion before I started that it would be a challenge but with adequate preparation I was able to cope well with the situation and enjoy the experience without getting stressed or flustered. I think by tackling challenges outside your comfort zone you exposure yourself to a learning experience that is difficult to replicate. I think I could enjoy wedding photography as an alternative career (with a lot more practice / experience) however that’s unlikely to happen as I have a well-paid secure job which I would be a fool to leave…but never say never.

The main thing for me is that the bride and groom are happy with the results, they got some photos they love and I got a great insightful learning experience into the world of wedding photography while still enjoying the day.

I’ve posted a few images below and any constructive comments are always gratefully received as although I don’t plan on shooting another wedding anytime soon I’m always looking to improve. There are also a lot more photos on my blog if you are interested.

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2012_12_28WilsonWedding003-2 by Tunbridge Wells, on Flickr

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2012_12_28WilsonWedding022-2 by Tunbridge Wells, on Flickr

3.)

2012_12_28WilsonWedding035 by Tunbridge Wells, on Flickr

4.)

2012_12_28WilsonWedding114 by Tunbridge Wells, on Flickr
 
Great write-up, I'm sure that will be very useful to lots of folk who find themselves in the same situation and I think you did a pretty good job for them, the preparation and rehearsal obviously helped a lot.

I've had a look at the blog post, my favourite shot is probably the very last one (that isn't posted here) - lovely moment and you've eliminated most of the background clutter that you tend to find in venues like this. Full-length first dance shots need careful consideration of the background, and 'watch your backgrounds' is a good tip in general.

Overall my biggest criticisms are inconsistent exposure/white balance, most of which could be corrected in PP anyway. The speeches in particular are very underexposed, it looks like you were at the limit with your settings - I would have used plenty of bounced flash here, it makes a huge difference to the results.
 
Thanks John, some good advice. It was certainly a steep learning curve and the speeches were an issue as I was reasonably far away, certainly out of the range of my flash. I also take on board your WB comments, the lighting in the room was tricky and not helped by the shade of green the walls are painted. I'm fairly new to PP so maybe need a bit more practice tweaking the balance.

Just had a look on your website, some really nice stuff on there.
 
Thanks John, some good advice. It was certainly a steep learning curve and the speeches were an issue as I was reasonably far away, certainly out of the range of my flash.

Actually you'd be surprised just how much the SB600 can put out, if you bounce forward at 45 degrees with a half-snoot on to eliminate shadows (google Neil van Niekerk's 'black foamie thing') you can change the dreadful light to something much more workable. The light is bounced from enough angles to not look obviously 'flashed' at all, it then just looks like a well-lit room.

Just had a look on your website, some really nice stuff on there

Thanks (y)
 
Actually you'd be surprised just how much the SB600 can put out, if you bounce forward at 45 degrees with a half-snoot on to eliminate shadows (google Neil van Niekerk's 'black foamie thing') you can change the dreadful light to something much more workable. The light is bounced from enough angles to not look obviously 'flashed' at all, it then just looks like a well-lit room.
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Thanks for the advice, flash photography is something I was trying to avoid as much as possible, mainly due to a lack of experience but also as I was trying not to be to intrusive. I'd picked up the basics from here (mainly on nightclub photography threads) as I knew I would need to use it later on the evening when the lights went down. I'd bought the Opteka FB-50 as I knew I'd need something but the 'black foamie thing' would probably have worked well too. Certainly something I'll take on board if I end up in that situation again. (y)
 
Thanks for taking the time to write up your experiences. Some comments on the photos if you dont mind, most easily fixed in PP.

* I would say some of them are underexposed.
* The white balance seems a bit all over the place, To me it almost seems based on the lens your using aswell. There's a big mixture of warm and cold shots but no real overall consistency. its most noticeable during the reception shots where the father shirts/candles are quite pink - and it also doesn't help his already red face.
* get a bit of colour and depth in there, bring out the people a bit more!
* This is a bit subjective, but some of your shots are too busy or just have stuff in the way, I cant help but feel a wider crop or a slight movement on your part would have avoided some of these.

Do you have Lightroom at all?
 
Thanks for your comments

Thanks for taking the time to write up your experiences. Some comments on the photos if you dont mind, most easily fixed in PP.

* I would say some of them are underexposed.

I think you are right, a few of them could maybe do with brightening a bit, was struggling with light on some of them but as you say this could be rectified.

* The white balance seems a bit all over the place, To me it almost seems based on the lens your using aswell. There's a big mixture of warm and cold shots but no real overall consistency. its most noticeable during the reception shots where the father shirts/candles are quite pink - and it also doesn't help his already red face.

Yeah I see what you are saying, really struggled with the lighting in the room as there was such a mixture of lighting and the green walls seemed to have put a colour cast on it too. This is simply down to a lack of experience on my part, I rarely, if ever shoot indoors and have never had any issues outdoors. Think I need to have a go at tweaking these but a lack of PP experience is also a problem. I've be using Lightroom 4 but I've only had it a few months and am on a steep learning curve. Have you got any good tips on getting this right as when I start playing with the white balance it ends up all over. I guess in an ideal world I would have done with using a grey card to set a custom white balance in that room but it just never occurred to me - again down to a lack of experience shooting in situations like this.

* get a bit of colour and depth in there, bring out the people a bit more!

Can you expand on this a bit, not quite sure how I could have done this?

* This is a bit subjective, but some of your shots are too busy or just have stuff in the way, I cant help but feel a wider crop or a slight movement on your part would have avoided some of these.

I take your comment on board, again, just an experience thing I guess.

Appreciate your comments.(y)
 
Great write up ,,,, lot of detail, good to hear of ur experience and glad u shared

Well done
 
For white balance you dont need a grey card especially for weddings. Use the dropper tool in lightroom and typically you would select a pure white or other colour where the dropper reports its 3 points are the same. for the white it would obviously be 100, 100, 100 or as close as possible but you can do it with any grey tones in the images.

colour and depth can be achieved also in lightroom. If your shooting raw you have to remember that generally the images will come out of the camera flat. generally speaking (and again its dependent on the image) once youv sorted out your WB, you can up the exposure a bit, then bring in some contrast (only a little) and clarity (up for buildings/groups + down for women), vibrancy (up to bring in some colour but dont over do it) , play around with the shadow slider a bit aswell.
 
Thanks for the replies, I'll have a play with Lightroom at the weekend and see what I can do.

Cheers for the advice.
 
Those pictures look miles better and the whole write up is great too,
Im in the same position as you with a relatives wedding in December so this is of use to me.

Have you read any wedding threads that were of use to you???
 
yep good work, they look significantly better.
They are brighter, have more punch and generally looks like it wasn't shot in a bunker!

Whites are better too, though I still think there's a bit of pink creep in them but its not a major issue anymore. Its hard to see on my work monitor but I still feel you can bring the exposure up a touch more (say 0.10-0.15) and then bring in some more contrast (a few +points)
 
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Those pictures look miles better and the whole write up is great too,
Im in the same position as you with a relatives wedding in December so this is of use to me.

Have you read any wedding threads that were of use to you???

Thanks, just pleased to put something back into the forum as I've got so much out of it since I joined. There are loads of wedding threads I've read, too many to list but the search function gives loads of results. Some of the threads are a disaster but where the OP has asked the right questions the knowledgable forum members have given some great advice :clap: I'm sure you will be fine when you shot your family members wedding, the main points are research, practice and good preparation. Its not easy but it is rewarding.

yep good work, they look significantly better.
They are brighter, have more punch and generally looks like it wasn't shot in a bunker!

Whites are better too, though I still think there's a bit of pink creep in them but its not a major issue anymore. Its hard to see on my work monitor but I still feel you can bring the exposure up a touch more (say 0.10-0.15) and then bring in some more contrast (a few +points)

Thanks, totally agree that the results are much better, your advice has been great (y)
 
Great results there, what a difference a few tweaks can make!
 
there are some nice shots there , and its certainly a credible effort for the first time out. the one point i'd raise is about the stuff in shot

for example in shot 3 the bride has a bible growing out of the side of her head

shot 13 would be better without the mobile phone and so forth.
 
there are some nice shots there , and its certainly a credible effort for the first time out. the one point i'd raise is about the stuff in shot

for example in shot 3 the bride has a bible growing out of the side of her head

shot 13 would be better without the mobile phone and so forth.


3 is a lovely candid moment well captured. Who cares about an OOF bible. I'm sure that glance & smile only lasted a split second so I very much doubt the OP had time to consider the background but did very well to get a shot I'm certain the bride will appreciate
 
3 is a lovely candid moment well captured. Who cares about an OOF bible. I'm sure that glance & smile only lasted a split second so I very much doubt the OP had time to consider the background but did very well to get a shot I'm certain the bride will appreciate

To be honest i didnt want to be too harsh as its his first shoot , but the compsure of that one is lousy , the line of the panneling running into the grooms head, the out of focus bible, the shot being dominated by the back of the grooms head and so on.

I agree that he wouldnt have time to consider these at the time he pressed the button, but a good wedding shooter previsualises the shots he wants, and considers the angles, backgrounds etc before the 'decisive moment' arrives. That only comes with experience but it needs to be pointed out if he's going to develop the eye for it
 
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To be honest i didnt want to be too harsh as its his first shoot , but the compsure of that one is lousy , the line of the panneling running into the grooms head, the out of focus bible, the shot being dominated by the back of the grooms head and so on.

I agree that he wouldnt have time to consider these at the time, but a good wedding shooter previsualises the shots he wants, and considers the angles, backgrounds etc before the 'decisive moment' arrives

If it was a posed shot I'd agree but its a candid from a church where odds on you're going to have a cluttered background wherever you shoot from. The brides expression wins hands down in including that shot in the client gallery
 
if he'd shot from slightly further to the right and framed closer in on the bride the issues i mentioned would all have been ameliorated.

to be honest I'm not in total agreement about the expression - yes great she's smiling, but brides generally smile a lot on their wedding day so that in itself doesnt justify including a poorly composed shot

also number 3 was just an example of a general principle - take shot 5 for example , we have a bright blue thing at bottom right and a weird reflection / picture at top right drawing the eye away from the main subject - that shot would have benefited from being shot in portrait to exclude those elements

#2 has great facial expressions but all sorts of crap in shot at far right - most of which could have been moved out of shot and so on.

as I said I don't want to be too harsh bearing in mind that its a first timer shooting free for a freind, but if the OP wants to develop and pursue wedding photography generally , my advice is to think about the backgrounds
 
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#3 is a lovely candid moment - and one I'd have been proud to have caught

work on your processing and you will be good to go
 
May I ask a question Moose, have you ever shot a wedding or better still lots of weddings?

I've shot approaching a hundred as first shooter, and more than twice that as a second camera - so I think its fair to say I know what i'm talking about.

with regard to not having time to move stuff - shot 2 is bridal prep , so there is ample time to either pick a clearer background, or if thats not possible to move extraneous objects - how long would it have taken to pick up the ambre solare , or whatever that orange bottle is, and move it out of shot ? -if you don't have that much time then you arent planning your shoots properly.

With regard to the odd blue thing - arguably that could have been moved before the service started, but assuming there wasnt time , the photo could also have been framed to exclude the distracting elements. (Yes post is another option , but time in post production is money so if you can avoid having to do detailed cloning, why wouldnt you)

And yes I agree that the client won't always care , some clients love any shot they are in, even if its taken by aunty flo with a P&S. But that isnt an excuse for delivery of anything thats not the best it can be, not least because sooner or later a regular shooter will meet a bridezilla for whom perfection is the only acceptable option

I agree that these are okay for a first attempt , but when photos are posted for critique the poster benefits not at all unless constructive critique on improvement is actually given - patting them on the head and telling them everything is lovely is not what feedback and critique is for.

That said we don't want this to turn into another of 'those' wedding threads so its best if we both keep the focus on the OP rather than on exchanging insults and i'm better than you/ no your not/ yes Iam / My dads bigger than your dad stuff ,which is best left in the playground
 
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I've shot approaching a hundred as first shooter, and more than twice that as a second camera - so I think its fair to say I know what i'm talking about.

with regard to not having time to move stuff - shot 2 is bridal prep , so there is ample time to either pick a clearer background, or if thats not possible to move extraneous objects - how long would it have taken to pick up the ambre solare , or whatever that orange bottle is, and move it out of shot ? -if you don't have that much time then you arent planning your shoots properly.

With regard to the odd blue thing - arguably that could have been moved before the service started, but assuming there wasnt time , the photo could also have been framed to exclude the distracting elements. (Yes post is another option , but time in post production is money so if you can avoid having to do detailed cloning, why wouldnt you)

And yes I agree that the client won't always care , some clients love any shot they are in, even if its taken by aunty flo with a P&S. But that isnt an excuse for delivery of anything thats not the best it can be, not least because sooner or later a regular shooter will meet a bridezilla for whom perfection is the only acceptable option

I agree that these are okay for a first attempt , but when photos are posted for critique the poster benefits not at all unless constructive critique on improvement is actually given - patting them on the head and telling them everything is lovely is not what feedback and critique is for.

That said we don't want this to turn into another of 'those' wedding threads so its best if we both keep the focus on the OP rather than on exchanging insults and i'm better than you/ no your not/ yes Iam / My dads bigger than your dad stuff ,which is best left in the playground

Are you serious? Move the blue book before the service... I'm sure that would go down well!

And as for tidying up during bridal prep, that would be pointless as no sooner had you cleared one side of the room the bride would have moved and you'd have to tidy the other side.

3 is a lovely shot, the bible doesn't bother me at all.

5 works as landscape, the blue think could be removed in ps in under a minute.
 
Not currently - To give a bit of background I started shooting weddings in 2001 as a weekend warrior , second shooting for my mate ben (who was already an established pro) - I continued in this for several years , including a spell minding the 'shop' as first shooter when ben was incapacitated. Not long after that I started shooting first camera and continued to do so until 2010.

In february 2010 a change in direction and a promotion in my day job necessitated putting my WW business on hold, and moving 200 miles across the country - since then I've only shot weddings for freinds and family (and one or two second cameras with ben when his new second shooter let him down) as the day job doesnt leave sufficient time to pursue a WW workstream as well which is why i don't have a website up

However I'd also note that i'm not required to prove my bonafides to you or anyone else - the OP can either take my advice or ignore it as they see fit.

this 'shoot the mesanger' attitude in crit threads when anyone dares to say anything other than " its absolutely mahnvelous dahlink" is why I and many others don't bother very often any more, which is detrimental to TP as a whole

It might therefore be better if people concentrated on giving the OP decent constructiver crit .
 
Are you serious? Move the blue book before the service... I'm sure that would go down well!
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depends what it is ? - you can't tell from the photo it could be more or less anything.

however the core point is if you've got distractions you can't move , you frame to avoid them if you can, and take them out in post if you can't

As to the bridal prep - each to his own but I usually stage it , takes maybe five to ten minuites then I can get out of the way and leave the girls to get ready unencumbered (and ensure I get to the church in front of the bride)

and ref shot five - its not just the blue thing, theres also the distracting mirror/picture or whatever it is at top right - shooting in portrait would also eliminate that. - but anyway lets not argue I've my view, you've yours and the OP can pick what advice they fancy - simples as the meercats say
 
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The op has done a great job as a first wedding. Yes there are some distractions in the bg but the area that would improve these most is the exposure and processing.
 
The op has done a great job as a first wedding. Yes there are some distractions in the bg but the area that would improve these most is the exposure and processing.

(y) I agree - I said that in my first post on this thread. "As a first shoot its a credible job"
 
One thing that can help with distracting backgrounds is to use b/w. Brightly coloured objects blend into the background much better.

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One thing that can help with distracting backgrounds is to use b/w. Brightly coloured objects blend into the background much better.

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(y) - that's great , yopu are right that the BG is much less obtrusive

the other option would be to crop a bit off the right hand side, but that would make the image an odd shape as theres not room for a coresponding crop from the top or bottom
 
(y) - that's great , yopu are right that the BG is much less obtrusive

the other option would be to crop a bit off the right hand side, but that would make the image an odd shape as theres not room for a coresponding crop from the top or bottom


The other option is to get real, its a candid shot of them getting ready, not a formal shot, staged shot, set up shot, rock star shot, or even a Crash shot ;) well yes it actually it could be a quality crash shot :nuts:

It does not need cropping or anything at all done to it apart from better editing and dare I say it a little tiny 10sec of Ps just .10p worth, so lets cut the photographer a little slack I think by now he knows that he has done very well for a first wedding and has had a few :D pointers in the right direction for improvements

Wilky
 
I'm liking the B&W, I did do a few conversions but I've told the B&G to go away and have a look through the photos and see if there are any they want converting before I waste hours playing with photos they didn't want converting. Think this is another area of PP I need to learn quickly as I normally only convert landscape shots to B&W but I suspect I throw far too much contrast into them that would work on a wedding photo.

Do you guys just use the lightroom pre-sets for B&W conversions or is there more to it than that?

Every single image I supply will have been edited in LR & then PS. The b/w I posted above used the PS part of that workflow. Nothing is from a preset, each image is edited on its own merits
 
I'm afraid this is where the OP needs to take a view on advice and criticism offered. Big Soft Moose is often quite forceful in his opinions but if ( example shown on previous reply now removed) this is the level of his work then advice offered SO forcefully and without compromise needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

No I'm not saying anyone can't give help and advice - they can and do - but when it is offered in a black and white type right and wrong - then the poster should be able to back it up.
 
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Right. This thread has now been cleaned up.
Apologies to the OP if any useful content has been lost – I wasn’t prepared to go through individual posts to pick the helpful critique out from the personal digs.

To everyone else, let’s get some things straight.

> Everyone is entitled to offer an opinion or critique on any photo, regardless of their level of experience. There is no need for anyone to provide “credentials” before being qualified to critique an image and this is just the sort of thing that makes newbies afraid to offer C&C.

> If you don’t agree with a piece of advice or critique, then by all means disagree with it or correct it but do it politely and without resorting to personal insults.

> Unsolicited posting of images from another poster as some sort of point scoring exercise is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE and totally against the ethos of TP. The poster in question is currently serving some time off as a result. To be crystal clear on this point, that sort of bullying and personal attack will not be tolerated.

Nothing more to see here so let’s move along and give the OP his thread back.
 
A great write up and will have lots of use to those wanting to dip in to weddings. As for the pics, they are a great record for the couple who knew what they were getting from the outset. A few tweaks in PP will lift them into higher standard.

Well done and thanks for taking the time to write the post ;)

Phil.
 
Anybody with a knowledge of how a camera works can take wedding shots to a standard. Differing people have differing standards,differing budgets and differing expectations.

I`m not going to offer crit on your work, as I don`t post wedding pics so am in no position too.

But, ask yourself this, are they of a good enough standard for you? If they are, then you will join the ranks of decent wedding photographers.

If they are not, then you will learn and get better. It is this that differentiates between decent wedding photographers and excellent wedding photographers.

Look around this forum at a lot of wedding shots, a lot are ok, but that is all. Yet some posters are truly different, they use light better,they manouvere people and think more about what they are doing. That is what lifts them above the melee of the middle ground.

You have made a good start, where you go now is up to you.
 
Is posting uneducated critique a form of bullying?.........after all, we are here to help not give bad advice.
 
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