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So from the pension fund thread, let's be Quentin and list some current motors at reasonable money that are going to increase in value.

For me, all civic / S2000 / integra Type R are only going to go up, especially the specials / Mugen ones.

Also pretty much anything Ford with an RS badge.

Some 911's that came along just after the S that can still be had for under £30k I imagine will close the gap towards the £100k S
 
Sarg0r said:
Clio V6 will always increase
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Yes remember that one ! I think virtually all hot hatches and specails from that era will increase, obvioulsy some more than others. Anything that was a true drivers car and the V6 had the advantage of being very limited in numbers right from the start. Renault Spyder is another from that era. What I like with this type of "classic" is that they are still useable and driveable without falling apart or costing a fortune.
 
Problem with more modern cars is less likely to rust away and there should be a proficient supply in years to come. Even if the car is something a little special based on an everyday car like a Ford RS, more people seem to buy them, so more will be about in the future. I believe Ford have already received something like 2,500 orders for the new RS in the UK alone, some of those will receive unsanctioned upgrades, which in my view will devalue them, as opposed to sanctioned upgrades by Mountune which shouldn't devalue the car.
I'm considering buying a new Focus RS myself, but what is putting doubt in my mind is I'd need somewhere fairly secure to keep it. Plus although it would see regular use, I don't want to put too many miles on it.
I'm at an age now where a more modern car probably won't be a classic in my lifetime, so it would be my sons who would get the benefit of owning the classic. As they are petrol heads and appreciate a classic as well as modern cars, I'd like to get more than one car so they can inherit one each, so that would mean slightly older cars, probably 80's or 90's.
I do like the idea of owning a possible future classic from new though, which brings me right back to the Focus RS. ;)
 
205gti
Lots either crashed or had that awful dimma body kit.
 
testbloke said:
So from the pension fund thread, let's be Quentin and list some current motors at reasonable money that are going to increase in value.

For me, all civic / S2000 / integra Type R are only going to go up, especially the specials / Mugen ones.
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Was browsing through Classic Car magazine in Sainsburys library yesterday and spotted an article on collectable Hondas. Poor article though saying that later 90's Civics were collectable but no mention of the CRX Del Sol. I would have thought that would become sought after.

I'm glad I had one of these rarish cars and I've owned nothing better since. Beats me why the 'experts' don't rate it.


Honda Del Sol by Philip Lench, on Flickr



Honda Del Sol by Philip Lench, on Flickr
 
Basically if it rusts it will become a classic, simply because they will get rare very quickly. If it's also interesting then you're going to see some serious classic status.

The humble Vauxhall Nova has already seen massive price rises - when I was rallying them you could pick them up for £150, now they're selling for £1000s. Now I drive a Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R Aero Edition. I can't find the accurate figures at the moment but it's circa. 150 ever made, not surprising given that the Version R was a light weight version of the FTO, so you paid over the odds and got less - then the Aero pack you pay more for again and all that did was put back on some of the bits that the Version R spec removed in the first place! Guaranteed to be worth a fortune one day.
 
Harriers9 said:
Was browsing through Classic Car magazine in Sainsburys library yesterday and spotted an article on collectable Hondas. Poor article though saying that later 90's Civics were collectable but no mention of the CRX Del Sol. I would have thought that would become sought after.

I'm glad I had one of these rarish cars and I've owned nothing better since. Beats me why the 'experts' don't rate it.


Honda Del Sol by Philip Lench, on Flickr



Honda Del Sol by Philip Lench, on Flickr
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My personal opinion, it was not that popular as it was heavy and sluggish and had far too big boots to fill as the original mk1 crux was so good
 
In no particular order -

Toyota MR2 Mk1
Saab 900/9-3
Mazda MX5 Mk1
BMW M6 (E39)
Fiat Coupe
Lotus Elise
 
Agree with all the above and miss my mk1 mx5 dearly (glen eagles number 200 of 200)
So what about relatively new cars that could be bought now and driven daily but still make money in ten years plus?
I'll start with a Mugen Civic Type R, on auto trader right now, number 1 of 200, 2010 plate with 29k miles for £14.5k
Can see this dipping to about £10k in the next three or four years then start to climb back up. I reckon £20k plus in ten years. Tempted to sell my car and get it
 
A decent X100 XK8 convertible can be had fairly cheap and is about at the bottom of the depreciation curve now. Plenty of specialists around to make sure you keep it good and great fun, if a little muted in terms of exhaust note.
 
testbloke said:
My personal opinion, it was not that popular as it was heavy and sluggish and had far too big boots to fill as the original mk1 crux was so good
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Until the Vtec cut in at 80 and then it leapt forward like something on a shovel. I got 120 out of it one morning (3.00am) on the M5 between Cheltenham and Tewkesbury
 
Civic Type R? nah, most will be like Trigger's brush and will have been thrashed...

RS Fords have an 'aura' - definitely will increase

Being a Saab fan - it is interesting that Stupar identified the 900/9-3 - which versions - if you mean the classic 900 then unmolested versions will rise in value, the NG(GM) 900's and OG9-3s (1993-1998/1998-2002) are treated with indifference - most will have succumbed to the dreaded gm2900 bulkhead crack or just died, the 900s would be mechanically better than the later 9-3s (2000-2002) which might succumb to the dreaded B2x5 sludging issue. Somehow I would suggest 95 or 96 models instead.
 
welshwizard645 said:
Civic Type R? nah, most will be like Trigger's brush and will have been thrashed...

RS Fords have an 'aura' - definitely will increase

Being a Saab fan - it is interesting that Stupar identified the 900/9-3 - which versions - if you mean the classic 900 then unmolested versions will rise in value, the NG(GM) 900's and OG9-3s (1993-1998/1998-2002) are treated with indifference - most will have succumbed to the dreaded gm2900 bulkhead crack or just died, the 900s would be mechanically better than the later 9-3s (2000-2002) which might succumb to the dreaded B2x5 sludging issue. Somehow I would suggest 95 or 96 models instead.
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Civic Type R have already flatlined with good ones on the up. Integra R, both official uk and later dc5 imports have climbed dramatically, old car with 150k miles was down at £1k now between 7&10k

These engines were epic and will not be seen again with new emissions regs, it's all smaller engine and turbo now. Nothing beats down shifting at 7000 rpm [emoji106]
 
Harriers9 said:
Was browsing through Classic Car magazine in Sainsburys library yesterday and spotted an article on collectable Hondas. Poor article though saying that later 90's Civics were collectable but no mention of the CRX Del Sol. I would have thought that would become sought after.

I'm glad I had one of these rarish cars and I've owned nothing better since. Beats me why the 'experts' don't rate it.


Honda Del Sol by Philip Lench, on Flickr



Honda Del Sol by Philip Lench, on Flickr
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It's my favourite car I've ever owned too.
 
Im in the same boat at the moment and thinking of purscasing a few cars as a punt. The s2000 is a good shout with only 5k on the road and thought of it myself. It holds the record for most bhp per cc of any naturally aspirated production car. Now Honda has started to turbo this can only make it even more sort after. My only issues are its a bit boring looking for one. 2 seater sports cars don't seem to increase in price. I think they're too well looked after and just taken out on weekends. Hot hatches on the other hand .. And finally Japan being rhd we get loads of imports that effect the price and keeps them down.



Audi TT mk1
Alfa gtv
205 gti 1.9
106 gti
Crx mk1
Golf mk1 gti cabriolet ( missed the boat on the mk1 and 2 regular)
Civic type r
Mr2 mk1

I have to agree the new RS will not be as collectable as the last 2.
 
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testbloke said:
Agree with all the above and miss my mk1 mx5 dearly (glen eagles number 200 of 200)
So what about relatively new cars that could be bought now and driven daily but still make money in ten years plus?
I'll start with a Mugen Civic Type R, on auto trader right now, number 1 of 200, 2010 plate with 29k miles for £14.5k
Can see this dipping to about £10k in the next three or four years then start to climb back up. I reckon £20k plus in ten years. Tempted to sell my car and get it
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Na the money is in the 1st gen.
 
Porsche 944's can still be had for relatively cheap, and not that exotic an engine so shouldn’t be too expensive to maintain. - 944 S2 convertible, FSH for £8k anyone?
928's can be had for around 15k, though those engines may be much more expensive if something goes wrong
VW Corrado?
I always liked the shape of the SD1, great noise as well - nice one here for £5k
The sierra xr4i (better looking than the later 4x4) . very nice one here for £10k
Late 80's / early 90's 325i. nice one here for £10k
 
The Mazda RX7 FD might be in time, they are not common, at least genuine UK cars aren't, rather than grey imports.
The Boxster won't, there are so many of them and they don't appear to be falling victim to tinworm - mine's going to be 17 this year and no sign of it underneath yet.
 
£500 will get you a fast ford. The puma has to be worth a punt.
 
I would love my favourite 4 hot hatches as a kid. I think if you could get them all for £30k it would make me very happy and more money than I s***ty ISA

Pug 205 gti 1.9
Golf gti mk1
Renault 5 GT turbo
Crx dohc vtec mk1
 
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rjbell said:
£500 will get you a fast ford. The puma has to be worth a punt.
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Also had a Puma, great fun for the money. There was fear a tthe time that the Nikasil bore lining wears and fails, not so many on the road now. You can even get an FRP for £5k now.
 
testbloke said:
Also had a Puma, great fun for the money. There was fear a tthe time that the Nikasil bore lining wears and fails, not so many on the road now. You can even get an FRP for £5k now.
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Yes i was looking at these the other day. I have to admit i've never liked the puma but still think it has potential to make money. Then i stubbed on the rally prepared model and thought it looks awesome.
 
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A bloke I used to work with has a Ford Racing Puma, he's had it around 10yrs or so now, no idea what he paid for it. He also has a Mk1 Lotus Cortina which he has had for quite a few years. The car needs restoring and he intended to do this with his son. Unfortunately his son died and the car has just sat in the garage ever since. The bloke is retired now, he's fit and able, but it's too big a job on his own, Car SOS have been contacted and hopefully the car will be on a future show.
 
I remember someone telling me that future classics are the cars which 17 year olds wanted but could never afford. So a generation grew up wanting to drive hot hatches (205GTi, Nova, Mk1 Golf etc) but being too young to be able to afford them - that group of people are now middle aged men with the disposable income they need to relive those dreams, so they buy them and push the prices up.
 
TopBanana said:
I remember someone telling me that future classics are the cars which 17 year olds wanted but could never afford. So a generation grew up wanting to drive hot hatches (205GTi, Nova, Mk1 Golf etc) but being too young to be able to afford them - that group of people are now middle aged men with the disposable income they need to relive those dreams, so they buy them and push the prices up.
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Thats bang on but missed the boat on a lot of them. The smart money is probably on the generation after them. The Saxo, 106, Clio, Civic type r, Impreza, fiesta/Focus st/rs etc.. already hard to find unmolested. Can you believe there are only 500 106 gti's left on the road. Only 5000 to begin with. They have to go up they are a good car, they're are aging well unlike the ugly 206.
 
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When I was 17, I would have loved to have had my Dad's Mk1 Cortina, unfortunately he sold it when I was 15. :(
 
rjbell said:
Thats bang on but missed the boat on a lot of them. The smart money is probably on the generation after them. The Saxo, 106, Clio, Civic type r, Impreza, fiesta/Focus st/rs etc.. already hard to find unmolested. Can you believe there are only 500 106 gti's left on the road. Only 5000 to begin with. They have to go up they are a good car, they're are aging well unlike the ugly 206.
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were there really only 5000 106Gti? thought they were pretty common as they shared most parts from the Saxo.

incidentally i love my spaxo back in the day..
 
neil_g said:
were there really only 5000 106Gti? thought they were pretty common as they shared most parts from the Saxo.

incidentally i love my spaxo back in the day..
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Yeah according to how many left. Only 6500 saxo vts's too. Over 40k vtr's though.
 
I think the likes of the golf's Astra's etc have got to big and heavy and miles away from the original concept of a hot hatch. I would rather collect the smaller lighter hatches with there 1.6 engines much more in keeping with the idea of a hot hatch.

Lupo gti Is another good shout. Only 1000 sold ib the uk they were too expensive. around 600 left. Nice looking car too.
 
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