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I want to build a pc specifically for photo editing and I want it to be very fast as I am fed up with LR and ps lagging all the time!!:razz:

What I need to know is what are the most crucial elements of a powerful editing PC and where, (what components), should I spend my money..?
 
How much money do you have to spend?

Do you need a new monitor and is this included in the budget?

Are you able to build your own PC or do you want to buy one already built and warrantied?
 
Thanks for the reply John, I am confident I can build it myself. I have a decent Samsung monitor which I think is 1080 resolution, this will suffice for now but plan on adding a higher res monitor in the future.

As for budget I'm not sure atm but I would be willing to spend best part of a grand on it!

I am more interested at the moment in determining which components are the most important when wanting a fast machine to run PS and LR at their optimum capcity??
 
I would definately recommend a quad core system, loads of RAM and a 64 Bit OS.

Samsung F1 Spinpoint hard drives are nice and fast too.

I can fully recommend the i7 920 processor, which when watercooled and overclocked runs ludicrioculy fast! It runs great at stock speeds too.
 
I'm getting the impression that a high end vidio card is not of great importance?? which is good because this is exactly the route I was thinking:

core i7 920 with decent cooling so I can ramp it up.. with the aid of a decent MoBo

this gives me the option to use tri channel Ram of which I was thinking 3 x corsair 2Gig Dominator 1600

I had planned to use small a WD raptor for OS and programs and bacic HDD for storage??

Was thinking of windows 7 but I have never ventured into the realm of 64bit... what are the benefits of 64bit or is it just faster???
 
ive just built a small form factor editing box just this week if that helps.. i spent about 800 ish i think lol..

Lian Li Mini-Q (PC-Q07) ITX case
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz
ZOTAC GF9300-D-E / GeForce 9300 / ITX Motherboard
1TB Samsung HD103UI EcoGreen F1
4GB (2x2GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2 DDR2 (until my GEIL 8GB (2x 4GB) Black Dragon turns up)
550W Corsair CMPSU-550VXUK ATX PSU

build log here:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18096877
 
To help spec a build:


What is the exact budget and what does it need to include other than the base unit (monitor/keyboard/mouse)?

Do you have anything you would put into the build already like left over hard drives, dvd drive, a case, psu ?

How confident are you with building it?

Do you know how to overclock or care to overclock it at all?

Do you want it to run as quietly as possible or do you not care?

What storage requirements do you have?

Does the cost have to involve the purchase of an OS?



As for which components to spend money on, just buy/build the fastest PC you can currently afford (it will be out of date as soon as you buy it) and don't spend more than about £50 on a graphics card unless you want to play games on it. This may seem deliberately vague, but the point is it's easier to say what NOT to spend money on since all of the other things are so dependent on one another. You can't spend a lot in one area as the bottleneck will be pushed elsewhere and wasted. Answer the above and we can spec you a good machine.
 
I'm getting the impression that a high end vidio card is not of great importance?? which is good because this is exactly the route I was thinking:

core i7 920 with decent cooling so I can ramp it up.. with the aid of a decent MoBo

this gives me the option to use tri channel Ram of which I was thinking 3 x corsair 2Gig Dominator 1600

I had planned to use small a WD raptor for OS and programs and bacic HDD for storage??

Was thinking of windows 7 but I have never ventured into the realm of 64bit... what are the benefits of 64bit or is it just faster???

That's very similar to what I'm running...

Core i7 920 CPU
6GB Tri-channel RAM
Windows 7 64-Bit OS
Nvidia 8800 GTX 768MB

32-bit operating systems limit their ram usage to 3GB, so obviously the 64-bit versions of LR and PS CS4 fly by comparison. Incidentally, the task manager will show 8 cores, although the 920 is a quad core chip... geeky explanation follows:


Each core in Nehalem can track two independent hardware threads. SMT takes advantage of the explicit parallelism built into multithreaded software to keep the CPU's execution units more fully occupied. The upshot of all of this is that a single Core i7 processor supports a total of eight threads, which makes for a pretty wicked looking Task Manager window.

Anyway, the system is pretty happy crunching through my 21mp images on LR

Another cheap upgrade is to get a 2nd HDD and set up a RAID array... the read/write times will improve
 
i looked.. couldnt justify the price for puney space..

If your running a single drive then fair enough.

But for the budget on discussion and speed wanted I would recommend Intel G2 SSD for OS and programs, and then as big as affordable old style hard drive for data storage. Obviously remembering to get a similar sized drive for back ups.

When Photoshop is writing the simply huge temp files that are a result of the megapixel war SSD should help any lag.
 
I'm getting the impression that a high end vidio card is not of great importance?? which is good because this is exactly the route I was thinking:

core i7 920 with decent cooling so I can ramp it up.. with the aid of a decent MoBo

this gives me the option to use tri channel Ram of which I was thinking 3 x corsair 2Gig Dominator 1600

I had planned to use small a WD raptor for OS and programs and bacic HDD for storage??

Was thinking of windows 7 but I have never ventured into the realm of 64bit... what are the benefits of 64bit or is it just faster???

If using and i7 definately go for fast RAM and in sets of 3, I run G.SKILL PI Series w/Heatspreader PC12800 DDR3/1600mhz Triple Channel Memory.

DEFINATELY go with 64Bit, LR is a a 64bit application and you also need 64Bit to access more than 3.5 GB of RAM.

If you are thinking over going down the overclocking route, I can recommend CyberPower since they built my system. Have always built my own in the past but the nice people at Cyberpower watercooled and overclocked my 920 to 3.83Ghz and warrantied it for 3 years which is worth thinking about. The RAm and GPU have alse been OC'ed by them too.

I run 2 300GB Raptors Striped for the system partition and a 1 GB F1 SpinPoint for my data drive and this works very well but the Raptors are not cheap, so would reccmmend you go for SATA III and just stick with something like the F1 Spin points since these are pretty damn fast and cost a fraction of the raptors.

You wil need a meaty PSU if you are overclocking so bear that in mind and if you decide to SLI or Crossfire GPU's at a later date, I am running 1100W in case I want to add another GTX295.

This all starts getting pretty price pretty quickly though, thankfully I use mine when working from home running multiple VM's hence the need for loads of RAM and processing power, and the way I justify it to myself and the Mrs :-)

Definately recommend watercooling and some kind of Fan controller, my machine is very quiet and very fast. The NZXT Fan Sentry monitors the CPU, RAM, Raptors, Case and GPU and ramps up each fan as and when reauired, EG when playing games but at other times the fans run slowing, well comparatively....
 
i'll second the recommendation for F1's.

for a 1TB youre looking at the thicker end of the 50's pound wise, theyre fast, quiet and run cooler than raptors. got 1 in my editing rig and 4 in my HTPC/storage box.

if youre looking at building this box yourself as a first build id stick to the basics rather than overclocking and water cooling in my opinion. i think youll see really nice performance through the stock i7 speeds and the range of 3rd party air coolers available these days make it really easy to get a quiet cool system running.
 
Interesting thread. It does seem you need to spec and price the whole thing first to see just how much you are indeed spending. The temptation is to spend a few more pounds on each item for the next model up and end up with a rather substantial total.

Good luck.

Graham
 
I run an i7 920, water cooled and it is running at 4.2Ghz, I only tend to buy Abit motherboards, just a personal thing. I have Parrot extreme DDR3 triple channel memory, I went for 2 kits 12Gb in total, as it was on special offer. In the end SSD was not for me so, got 2X ED Velocorapter Hard Drives, in a Stripe RAID for OS and program install. I have 2X WD Black 1.5Tb in a Mirror RAID for storage (also backup to DVD). Dont forget a good PSU, I went modular 800W in the end. A really good case is a must, LianLi was my choice. Then you need to look at things like DVD-DL etc.

Good luck, enjoy the build, oh and don't buy everything from same supplier, worth looking around, surprising how much you can save.
 
Interesting thread. It does seem you need to spec and price the whole thing first to see just how much you are indeed spending. The temptation is to spend a few more pounds on each item for the next model up and end up with a rather substantial total.

Good luck.

Graham

indeed.

i think start of with deciding on what case you want, what looks nice in your opinion on your desk next to your screen. find out what form factor it is.

then start looking at motherboards in that form factor, presumably you want to go with the i7 so youll want one with the LGA1366 socket. preferably with a good few internal/external SATA and external USB sockets for expansion purposes. at this point it may be worth deciding if you want to use any onboard graphics (built in to the motherboard) or a dedicated graphics card.

an onboard card usually shares a bit of the RAM for its use, in the grand scheme of things if youre looking at having 6gb or over you probably wont be effected by this too much. if you want to run twin screens, play games or edit video etc then it is worth going for a dedicated graphics board with its own memory. 1Gb seems to be the norm at the moment for this and cards are reletively cheap these days. as for ATI vs nVidia... swings and roundabouts.

now you know what motherboard you want you can decide on processor and memory. fairly self explanitory.. one note is to try and get the fasted speed RAM you can for your board. also look at 3rd party CPU coolers, the stock intel ones get NOISEY.

youll need a power supply too, in hindsite i should of got a modular one (you can remove/unplug the excess cables, a godsend in smaller cases). depending on how many hard drives and graphics cards/other cards you have installed and whether youre overclocking will dictate how many watts youll need. also dont skimp on power supplies, unbranded ones can chuck out all sorts of unstable voltages. look at corsair, tagan, bequiet for example. a lot of power supplier now come ready to plug in to a multitude of motherboards but you will need to check exact types of connector.

next would be hard drives. if you have the space personally id always have at least 2. first drive would be smaller (doesnt have to be smaller but personally a min of 64gb) for the operating system and programs, second drive would have storage and windows page file. at this point it may be worth looking at how much storage you want and whether you want to build in a backup. RAID was mentioned above, PERSONALLY i dont think it has any place in a system that does not have another method of backup (external and/or off site drive(s)) as even RAID mirroring is not infalible, and would simply opt for backing up to an external USB/eSATA drive. i would look at the amount of photos you currently have stored and at least double it for starters.

networking, most motherboards have onboard cabled network card. it may be worth looking at ones with gigabit sockets (usually called 10/100/1000) for futureproofing. but cabled network cards will require either being near your router or you can get a couple of powerline adaptors. it is worth noting that powerline adapters only currently go up to 200mbps so you wont get a full gig connection (although its worth noting that you will only get gig speeds if your router supports it and you have another device/machine cabled on the network, it wont benefit connection to any devices connected wirelessly to your router or your internet speeds). alternatively you can get a wireless card/usb stick (some motherboards have built in wireless albeit fairly rare).

otherwise theres odds and ends like mice and keyboards.. one thing i always overlook is sound, do you need to buy speakers..

im sure ive forgotten something though lol
 
To help spec a build:


What is the exact budget and what does it need to include other than the base unit (monitor/keyboard/mouse)?

Do you have anything you would put into the build already like left over hard drives, dvd drive, a case, psu ?

How confident are you with building it?

Do you know how to overclock or care to overclock it at all?

Do you want it to run as quietly as possible or do you not care?

What storage requirements do you have?

Does the cost have to involve the purchase of an OS?



As for which components to spend money on, just buy/build the fastest PC you can currently afford (it will be out of date as soon as you buy it) and don't spend more than about £50 on a graphics card unless you want to play games on it. This may seem deliberately vague, but the point is it's easier to say what NOT to spend money on since all of the other things are so dependent on one another. You can't spend a lot in one area as the bottleneck will be pushed elsewhere and wasted. Answer the above and we can spec you a good machine.

My pc will not be built/purchased in one go!! This is why I will do it myself.

I intend to buy the mobo, processor and aftermarket cooler for said processor and maybe even the ram this month then all the ancillaries the following months.. after christmas and my two boys birthdays in January this is bound to change slightly..

I do not intend to do any game playing on this machine hence the question on whether I need a decent card or just enough to run the monitor??
 
My pc will not be built/purchased in one go!! This is why I will do it myself.

I intend to buy the mobo, processor and aftermarket cooler for said processor and maybe even the ram this month then all the ancillaries the following months.. after christmas and my two boys birthdays in January this is bound to change slightly..

I do not intend to do any game playing on this machine hence the question on whether I need a decent card or just enough to run the monitor??

Then why buy now it's just a collection of bits you can't use. You would be better to hang on to the money and buy all at once. The parts may be updated before you even have a working computer. Or go down in price.

Graham
 
ive just built a small form factor editing box just this week if that helps.. i spent about 800 ish i think lol..

Lian Li Mini-Q (PC-Q07) ITX case
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz
ZOTAC GF9300-D-E / GeForce 9300 / ITX Motherboard
1TB Samsung HD103UI EcoGreen F1
4GB (2x2GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2 DDR2 (until my GEIL 8GB (2x 4GB) Black Dragon turns up)
550W Corsair CMPSU-550VXUK ATX PSU

build log here:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18096877

I had a look at your build diary and it look the muts nuts mate well done.. I'm not bothered about the size and would prefer the extra room for ventilation and the added advantage that if I did choose to add a decent sound card and/or upper market video card.
 
Yeah buy it all in one go.

The above info has probably bombarded you with over complex discussion to be honest. You do not need to watercool your PC to make it fast, nor overclock it necessarily, nor buy a particular type of case or motherboard or raid array or ssd. You certainly do need to spend apple prices or 5 grand like someone else mentioned. To simplify, come back when you have your budget ready to spend and we can spec you some good builds.
 
You certainly do need to spend apple prices or 5 grand like someone else mentioned.

Sorry I should have been more clear.
I was window shopping on the apple website, just seeing what I could have if I won the lottery for example.
Didn't mean to suggest anybody need spend 5 grand on a photo editing machine, that is most definitely not the case!
 
thanks matey :)

typically im still waiting on my 8Gb RAM, and my quieter CPU cooler to arrive. apparently there is a parcel at work in reception waiting for me but im stuck at home thanks to the poxy snow lol

yeah the mITX form factor is fairly limiting and isnt for everyone, as far as i know there are no i7 boards out yet, hence i went for a core2 quad in the end. but even with "just" 4gb shes a flyer at the moment..
 
Then why buy now it's just a collection of bits you can't use. You would be better to hang on to the money and buy all at once. The parts may be updated before you even have a working computer. Or go down in price.

Graham

I hear what your saying Max, but if the money is there it will get spent, there is always a new item of furniture or a new appliance that will be needed!!! lol
 
thanks matey :)

typically im still waiting on my 8Gb RAM, and my quieter CPU cooler to arrive. apparently there is a parcel at work in reception waiting for me but im stuck at home thanks to the poxy snow lol

yeah the mITX form factor is fairly limiting and isnt for everyone, as far as i know there are no i7 boards out yet, hence i went for a core2 quad in the end. but even with "just" 4gb shes a flyer at the moment..

There are quite a few i7 boards out atm as far as my research goes..

Yeah 4 gig and core 2 quad should go like the clappers as long as it is set up correctly.. I will get the best I can afford at the time of purchase methinks no point worrying what they will bring out next!!
 
jeez did i just ramble on for that long lol

It was all read and appreciated mate along with all the other relies... there is a lot of it to read though and even more to reply to...lol
 
lol i didnt look very hard did i .. oh well

With 8gig ram and that processor you are not going to be worrying about lag for at least ooohhh a couple of months...;):bonk:
 
Already mailed this setup to Matt, but to show others what I came with :)

Iiyama 26"
AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 Black Edition 3.40GHz
Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4
2 x Patriot Extreme Performance 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3
Thermaltake VK6001W2Z Element S Case - Black
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB
Coolermaster Silent Pro Modular 500W Power Supply
Corsair H50-1 High-Performance CPU Watercooler
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4650
Sony Optiarc AD-7240S 24x DVD±RW
Arctic Cooling MX-3 Thermal Compound

Lukas
 
And a good job you did Lucas... I have been reading up on that very processor and it was between that and the i7 920 and I think I'm going to go the Intel route to be honest I think the price and performance difference is justified..
 
in dat case add nice GPU and it will be nice gaming machine as well :)
for starters radeon 5770 ;)
 
I've personally built several hundreds of PC's and I can strongly recommend going down the route of using a proper PC builder. Dell are the kings of course, but personally I'd go for Scan.
Feel free to build your own, but all you need is one little slip and you can fry a £150 graphics card of score the copper tracks on a £100 motherboard.
Using Dell or Scan allows you to customise your PC build and it will probably work out a tad cheaper than buyng all the components if you keep it to a reasonable spec.
 
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