Help me with my set up if I go FF!!

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Wondering about getting another camera for landscape and general walkaround stuff :bonk:

I already have a 7D and I've bought a 300mm f4 off here, Once I've got a 1.4 TC I am thinking of moving on the 100-400. I then had a thought.

If I also sell the EF-S 17-55, would it be good to purchase a full frame and general walkabout lens? I would still want f2.8 as you just never know. I've also convinced myself that this combo would cut down on the stuff I have to take. Wildlife stuff I take the 7D and 300mm and a general walkabout could be the full frame. I do have a 10-22, but I would keep that for the 7D.

So, what do you reckon? It's got to be a little on a budget, so 5D I suppose.
 
You've got it right. 5D coupled with a 24-105L or maybe the 50mm 1.4 makes a perfect walk about rig. Love mine to bits.
 
Or 5D and 24-70 f/2.8 which is what I'd chose if I had the cash!
 
Would I miss the IS? I have this idea that I really need IS. I know that I would be using a tripod quite often, but for out and about? ............ :shrug:

I'm also thinking that 24mm at the wide end will not be wide enough......
 
swag72 said:
Would I miss the IS? I have this idea that I really need IS. I know that I would be using a tripod quite often, but for out and about? ............ :shrug:

I'm also thinking that 24mm at the wide end will not be wide enough......
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Only you can really tell whether you'll miss the IS or not! You know that 24mm on a 5D is the same as 15mm on your 7D, right? (Sorry if this is insulting!!)

If you want a wide, f/2.8 walkabout lens, your only real option is the 16-35 L, but that's a LOT of money! And might be a bit short for a walkabout!
 
chris321 said:
Only you can really tell whether you'll miss the IS or not! You know that 24mm on a 5D is the same as 15mm on your 7D, right? (Sorry if this is insulting!!)
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Not insulting at all! Just guess I need to decide how important that f2.8 is compared to IS.

I suppose that I'm either considering the 24-70 f2.8 or perhaps the 24-105 f4 IS:shrug:

Damn, I hate making decisions.
 
swag72 said:
I need to decide how important that f2.8 is compared to IS.

I suppose that I'm either considering the 24-70 f2.8 or perhaps the 24-105 f4 IS:shrug:
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Well, that comes down to what you're shooting. If it's dark and it's moving, go for the 24-70, if it's dark and stationary, go for the 24-105. Simples :D
 
If the object is best IQ and full frame for the value (or thereabouts) of a 100-400 then a 5D and the 24-70 from sigma would fit the bill very nicely. The siggy version gets rated very highly for output, even if it does lack the AF speed and tanklike qualities of the canon.
 
dazzajl said:
If the object is best IQ and full frame for the value (or thereabouts) of a 100-400 then a 5D and the 24-70 from sigma would fit the bill very nicely. The siggy version gets rated very highly for output, even if it does lack the AF speed and tanklike qualities of the canon.
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I shall be adding an EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS into the mix as well. I LOVE that lens, but no point in keeping it for the 7D when I am using the FF for the walkabout, me thinks :thinking:
 
Spanner in the works time here........ :D

Does a full frame body make that much sense for you? You'll end up with a larger and heavier camera to carry around that will offer you the same framing options if you go from a 17-55 to a 24-70. With little, if any increase in the overall image quality.

The only thing that will really change is the amount of DoF that you'll have to play with. A good move if you long for a more shallow focus zone and lots of bokeh. A step backwards if you like shots with crisp sharpness front to back.
 
Oh damn ............. I just thought that my 7D would make for good long shots and so instead of swapping the lens I could have 2 different cameras. One for wildlife stuff and the other for general stuff.

OK, if the truth be known, selling the 100-400 will leave ££'s burning a hole, thought I could use it constructively.
 
Have you thought of going elsewhere than SLR for your walkabout camera.

GF1's are all the rage at the mo, and very fine they are too but something even smaller and self contained can be great. No weight, no bulk and no hassle.
 
Sell the 7D and go back to a 50D which you were happy with and get a 5D or used 5DMK2 and some primes ;) , i've not had my MK2 for long but i been using it with a 50mm f1.4 and a 85mm f1.8 both of **** are small & light and the one thats not on the camera is in my pocket - i need a wide lens but haven't made my mind up yet. The IQ on MK2 is simply stunning.
 
TBH I'm not sure about the logic in your OP Sara :thinking:

5D1 from a 7D is a sideways move at best to my way of thinking. 5D2 maybe, a whole new set of pluses and minuses, but you haven't put forward a very convincing case so far ;) Apart from having some money to burn of course, which is always an absolute justification :D

300L 2.8 with 1.4x and 2x Canon extenders?
 
I recently went FF with a 5D, I already had a 24-70L. The combination for walkabout is brilliant. The 24mm is so much wider than on a crop and the quality of pictures has jumped from the 40D. I also use a Canon 1.4 a lot for gigs and portraits, most in really poor light at 800 ISo minmum. Again a nice combo but need to be careful because of shallow DOF [at 1.4 and close up anyway!] The only thing I struggle with is the lack of reach....
I am so taken with the 5D I will certainly buy a MK2 this year when dosh allows.

Here is a shot I took at a gig a few weeks ago witrh 5D and 1.4, 800 ISO 1/350, light appalling as ever but I like the outcome!

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HoppyUK said:
TBH I'm not sure about the logic in your OP Sara :thinking:

5D1 from a 7D is a sideways move at best to my way of thinking. 5D2 maybe, a whole new set of pluses and minuses, but you haven't put forward a very convincing case so far ;) Apart from having some money to burn of course, which is always an absolute justification :D

300L 2.8 with 1.4x and 2x Canon extenders?
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Logic, who said anything about logic? Just wondered about getting a FF for walkabouts and 7D for wildlife!

Damn .......... You make too much sense. But a 300L 2.8 :eek: .......... woa, not that much money!!!
 
OK, I am looking at the 5D classic and the 24-105L as a walkabout. I am trawling through the forum now for comments on this combo, but it's taking some time. Anyone any thoughts?
 
5D plus 24-70/2.8 is a great combination. I guess the 5d/24-105 would be too. These were state-of-the art pro set-ups just a couple of years back.

IS is useful sometimes, as is f2.8, so it is hard for us to guide you there. Check back through your favourite shots and see how many were at f2.8. If you shoot there a lot I'd suggest you'd miss losing such a fast aperture/narrow dof. I understand that full frames give even thinner depths of field than smaller sensors at the same f-stop so f4 might not be so bad if you only need wide open shots every now and again. Alternatively, see how often you shoot with relatively low shutter speeds where IS has been valuable.
 
swag72 said:
OK, I am looking at the 5D classic and the 24-105L as a walkabout. I am trawling through the forum now for comments on this combo, but it's taking some time. Anyone any thoughts?
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No question that is a lovely combo.

But so is a 7D and 17-55 2.8 :)

Try and compare before you buy.
 
HoppyUK said:
But so is a 7D and 17-55 2.8 :)
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I know it is and I LOVE it. Why am I looking at changing then? .............:thinking:

Come March I will have absolutely no chances of changing my kit for many years to come. I am in a position now to build up the very best kit I can before March.

As it stands at the moment I only have my 7D (Or will when Canon send me a new one!!) and IR modded 10D. What will I do if it goes wrong? Am I wrong to consider a type of backup while I can? Perhaps I am only looking at kit for kits sake. Yes I like spending money and having new things!!

Is it such a hardship to swap over lens's on the 7D when I do take it out? Of course not ......... but, just grabbing another camera is just as easy!!!

I will be selling some kit to do this, so if I go 5D route it will cost me very little :help:
 
swag72 said:
...Come March I will have absolutely no chances of changing my kit for many years to come...
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You'll find a way. Never stopped me ;)

Meanwhile, enjoy full-frame. Whatever else, it is both very good, and, well, just different :D

It'll be wonderful fun with your 50 1.4.
 
If it's any help, I went for the 5D and 24-70 combo. I figured that at those focal lengths the lack of IS was not an issue for hand holding, and the 2.8 would be useful for those low light shots.
 
Sara, this is a bit difficult to put into words without having a proper conversation about pros and cons and ins and outs, but I'll have a go....

You said over on POTN that you would not take out both cameras at the same time. To get the full frame camera simply to avoid needing to change lenses at home seems quite an odd approach. The 7D is latest state of art in sensor technology, image processing, focusing, features, wireless flash control, horizon levelling, build, weatherproofing, blah, blah, blah. The 5D is basically a big sensor, very nice in its day, but in a body no better than a 30D, and with ancient AF tech and no sensor cleaning.

Unless you will make use of a two body setup I can't help feeling you would be better served with the 7D and the 10-22 and 17-55 you already have. That way you get IS and f/2.8 in a 27-88mm equivalent range, beating the 24-105 on speed and roughly matching the 24-70 on range, but adding IS.

Unless you want to get a longer, faster tele zoom, like the 70-200/2.8, for background blur on portraits, what do you really hope to gain from going full frame with a 5D?
 
You speak total sense Tim, as have so many others on here. I know that with the 7D and the 17-55 and 10-22 I have the ideal walkabout set up. Oh, I know I don't need 2 camera's ............. I will behave now and stop thinking about it. I know that what you have all said is right. I will give myself a quick kick and wonder what other silly idea I will have next!!!

I think some of my issue is that I have been camera-less since the 15th December. I am sure when I get it back I'll be fine!

If I do move on my 100-400 though, I would welcome some ideas of how to best spend the money pre retirement. What else do I need?!
 
swag72 said:
You speak total sense Tim, as have so many others on here. I know that with the 7D and the 17-55 and 10-22 I have the ideal walkabout set up. Oh, I know I don't need 2 camera's ............. I will behave now and stop thinking about it. I know that what you have all said is right. I will give myself a quick kick and wonder what other silly idea I will have next!!!

I think some of my issue is that I have been camera-less since the 15th December. I am sure when I get it back I'll be fine!

If I do move on my 100-400 though, I would welcome some ideas of how to best spend the money pre retirement. What else do I need?!
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IMHO it's got nothing to do with 'need' and Tim's being a bit of a spoil-sport.

Full-frame is maybe just something that you need to try if your journey towards photographic enlightenment and fulfilment is to be thorough, and rich and rewarding Haha :lol:

You could buy a 5D, give it a go, and if it's not what you imagined, sell again without any loss. Just don't sell anything else until you've decided whether to keep it or not.

If you shoot landscapey stuff, or anything really where picture quality (not just sharpness) is particularly important, you might just take to it. Especially if you print big, or like to pixel-peep, or just like to luxuriate in deep tonal quality. The difference may be subtle, but it's there if that's your thing ;)
 
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