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I paid for a course (£50) For a starter class in photography, They then say to me when I get there that Its for a SLR not DSLR, But I was told on the phone that I have`d to own a DSLR, I hate being given the wrong information :bang:
 
Should it make much difference??? :shrug: they are both Single Reflex Lens cameras, just how it records the data is different. The class is about photography, so the rules of exposure and composition are the same.

Strange people!
 
Eh? What difference does it make to the technicalities of aperture, shutter etc whether it's an analogue or digital SLR.

I find it very hard to believe that there are courses being run for starter classes in film SLRs, are they planned on developing and viewing the negs at the end of the day to see where you went wrong :thinking:
 
No, He said to me its for Digital cameras aka the small ones (if that makes sense) I said well I thought this class was for DSLR`s He went no, Thats on a tuesday, So I thought well whats going on iv been given false information!
 
I agree, it makes no difference at all. Just stick some masking tape over the LCD and pretend to delve into the innards of your camera every 36 shots ;)
 
I did a Lencarta studio day a few weeks ago and took a film camera as well as a digital (don't think anyone else did) I really doesn't make a jot of difference the principals are exactly the same. Yes there are subtle differences but not at the beginner level. The biggest is the inability to change ISO part way through a film (without changing the film, pushing etc) but this wouldn't have affected you. If you selected 400 ISO and left it there you would be in the same boat as the film users.
 
Well I left the class room thinking I was in the wrong class and because I only own a DSLR I should be in the advanced one which explains about DSLR`s
 
I went to our local college to ask about their degree course which was supposed to be one day and one evening, which turned out to be two days and no evenings. "Well you can give up work and do this course" erm no.

The first year was all about film and they wouldn't let you use a dslr and they wouldn't budge.

Basically they were only interested in teaching 18 year olds that had never used a camera.
 
Most Photo courses will concentrate on film as that's the best way to learn the basic principles of photography.
It also means that it's a level playing-field for all the students - doesn't matter if you own a Zenit, Practika or Nikon - film is film...

There are advanced digital courses available but they're usually more to do with P&P than with taking the images.
 
Arkady said:
Most Photo courses will concentrate on film as that's the best way to learn the basic principles of photography.
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Not seeing your terrible photo for a week must really help!

Digital really helps as one can see what exactly happens there and then and get the critique. There is no limit of photos that can be taken. It also opens an avenue of post-processing.

Film is perhaps the most frustrating thing in photography until you know exactly what to do, and can process it professionally yourself. Not many have this privilege and they mostly shoot 6x6.
 
What they have done is sort me out to be put on the advanced class, they said 3 women rang this morning about the problem (them being in the class I was) And they said they would get back to me, which they have not, so in the morning I think I will ring up!
 
Arkady said:
Most Photo courses will concentrate on film as that's the best way to learn the basic principles of photography.
It also means that it's a level playing-field for all the students - doesn't matter if you own a Zenit, Practika or Nikon - film is film...
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daugirdas said:
Digital really helps as one can see what exactly happens there and then and get the critique. There is no limit of photos that can be taken. It also opens an avenue of post-processing.

Film is perhaps the most frustrating thing in photography until you know exactly what to do, and can process it professionally yourself. Not many have this privilege and they mostly shoot 6x6.
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At the risk of going off topic a little...

I'd tend to agree with Rob that film is probably the better place to start, though some of that is down to the automation and complexity of all modern cameras (including film) but especially DSLRs.

Starting with a fully manual camera and some Ilford would give a really solid grounding in the basics and likely avoid a lot of problems later. I suspect a lot of students would enjoy developing and not being tied to a computer.

Composition might be another story, here I'd agree the turn round possible with digital would be useful.
 
A DSLR can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be. To make it work like a film SLR just stick in manual and centre weighted metering mode. :shrug:

My local community college C&G courses are all Film based I think. 15+ plus years ago I went to go on a GCSE course, and after I had bought print paper, they decided that there wasn't enough people for the course to continue. After I kicked up a fuss, the college bought the paper off me. ;)

Digital cameras are such a good learning tool as you see mistakes straight away.
 
redhed17 said:
A DSLR can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be. To make it work like a film SLR just stick in manual and centre weighted metering mode. :shrug:
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People respond differently to having options partially hidden or when asked not to use them than when those options aren't there at all.
 
Hi. I teach 'understanding your digital camera' at an adult ed college. It doesn't matter to me whether it's a compact or a dslr. Only diff is when tackling all the scene modes and what they do - most dslrs don't have 'em. I don't get what the beef is about.
 
DJMorgan said:
No, He said to me its for Digital cameras aka the small ones (if that makes sense) I said well I thought this class was for DSLR`s He went no, Thats on a tuesday, So I thought well whats going on iv been given false information!
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:shake::gag:

point and shoot digital/ bridge digital/ dslr...all electronic image

slr...film
 
DJMorgan said:
What they have done is sort me out to be put on the advanced class, they said 3 women rang this morning about the problem (them being in the class I was) And they said they would get back to me, which they have not, so in the morning I think I will ring up!
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There is nothing advanced about owning a digital camera.
If you are a beginner you should take the beginners class regardless of whether you shoot digital or film.
If there is a choice between a beginners film and a beginners digital class, then your choice is obvious, if not, its a beginners class in either...:)
 
joxby said:
There is nothing advanced about owning a digital camera.
If you are a beginner you should take the beginners class regardless of whether you shoot digital or film.
If there is a choice between a beginners film and a beginners digital class, then your choice is obvious, if not, its a beginners class in either...:)
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Well I was advised by that tutor to take the advanced class, *** thats the one I picked because I own a DSLR.

And the way he made it sound, is that he was on about compact camera`s like a Sony 7.2.
 
DJMorgan said:
Well I was advised by that tutor to take the advanced class, *** thats the one I picked because I own a DSLR.
And the way he made it sound, is that he was on about compact camera`s like a Sony 7.2.
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damn , thats where i went wrong ,,,i should have got a dslr ,then i can be an advanced photographer without knowing anything about it .
 
daugirdas said:
Not seeing your terrible photo for a week must really help!.
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No...
You dev your own films obviously... you have the image in your hands within an hour.

As I said it teaches you more about the basics and provides a level playing field for all the sudents.
One manual film body is much the same as another, lenses make the difference, but most college projects specify you use a 50mm lens for most tasks that you're set.
 
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