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I dont know if the misguided sympathy applies elsewhere . An example a car, an Audi with four drunken youths ,no seat belts and estimated speed of 200 kmh head on to a small Kia driven by a middle aged woman who escapes with minor injuries [ a miracle]. People who witnessed the incident attest to the fact that the occupants of the Audi were not wearing seat belts and the vehicle reeked of alcohol . The four o occupants of the Audi died before they were cut out .
So now we get the relatives of the deceased weeping and wailing and the platitudes coming out . How they were such nice caring men ,a father and people who were always there to help. What about others who were also on the road and could have been victims and the poor woman in the KIA probably traumatised and terrified to ever drive again..
 
engine driver said:
I dont know if the misguided sympathy applies elsewhere .
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Too many people subscribe to this "do not speak ill of the dead" nonsense. If someone was a bad or foolish person when alive, I see no flaw in saying so when they are dead.
 
Andrew we are on the same page re this . I am sick of the absolute cretins that engage in this . I will speak ill of their parents ,their so called friends and whoever else are so behaves in such a irresponsible manner. They the deceased are now out of reach of the law and I dont care how much the survivors grieve
. One of the morons weeping and wailing at the site of the crash had a can of beer in her hand!
 
engine driver said:
Andrew we are on the same page re this . I am sick of the absolute cretins that engage in this . I will speak ill of their parents ,their so called friends and whoever else are so behaves in such a irresponsible manner. They the deceased are now out of reach of the law and I dont care how much the survivors grieve
. One of the morons weeping and wailing at the site of the crash had a can of beer in her hand!
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I hope the lady gets a massive insurance compensation for the trauma caused by them. Hope the one survivor gets nothing.

Karma.
 
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They were no doubt uninsured, so the injured lady will probably get nothing except the trauma, hassle of her own insurance claim, and an increased premium
 
engine driver said:
I dont know if the misguided sympathy applies elsewhere . An example a car, an Audi with four drunken youths ,no seat belts and estimated speed of 200 kmh head on to a small Kia driven by a middle aged woman who escapes with minor injuries [ a miracle]. People who witnessed the incident attest to the fact that the occupants of the Audi were not wearing seat belts and the vehicle reeked of alcohol . The four o occupants of the Audi died before they were cut out .
So now we get the relatives of the deceased weeping and wailing and the platitudes coming out . How they were such nice caring men ,a father and people who were always there to help. What about others who were also on the road and could have been victims and the poor woman in the KIA probably traumatised and terrified to ever drive again..
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Its the same with people who die being chased by the police...
 
lindsay said:
They were no doubt uninsured, so the injured lady will probably get nothing except the trauma, hassle of her own insurance claim, and an increased premium
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There is the MIB (Motor Insurance Bureau?) for this, to provide insurance when a driver doesn’t have cover.
 
there is a lot of horrible stuff going on in society nowadays and its growing day on day
like the poor 15 year old girl killed on the bus by a random 17 year old boy just?
 
Mr Bump said:
there is a lot of horrible stuff going on in society nowadays and its growing day on day
like the poor 15 year old girl killed on the bus by a random 17 year old boy just?
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I didn’t think he was a random 17 year old boy- she knew him, which probably makes it worse.
 
Craig1912 said:
I didn’t think he was a random 17 year old boy- she knew him, which probably makes it worse.
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i used the word random to just to say the crime was rubbish and random like most of the crap going on in society its all just random bad behaviour
 
They're a sub-culture of society, someone else is always responsible for whatever happens to them.

I employed a girl who failed to turn up for work 2 days running. It turned out that her cousin had been killed by the police. I expressed my sympathy and asked for details, and it turned out that the police chased the stolen car that he was driving when he failed to stop, so it was the fault of the police that this inexperienced, unlicenced and uninsured driver hit a tree.
When I suggested that all that he had to do was stop when told to do so, her reply was that the police were always picking on asians and he would have been beaten up if he had stopped. You can't argue with logic like that:(

There was another one. A friend had been given about 2 weeks to live, I visited him in hospital and he made a deathbed will, leaving everything to his step-granddaughter, who he knew was a waste of space, but that was his choice. He rang her while I was there, she said that she would come to see him next day but she needed money as she was in trouble. He asked me to give her £10K in cash, which I did. She then went on holiday and returned after his death.

I was his executor and I paid her out earlier this week. She was constantly chasing me throughout for money, saying that I didn't have to wait for Probate, that it was her money, that she needed it because she had no food etc. This woman has never worked and has always lived on benefits.

There's nothing to be done about people like this, they live in a different world and seem to believe that life, and everyone else, is against them.
 
So much compassion on here...

{Wanders off to cut down a tree}
 
engine driver said:
I dont know if the misguided sympathy applies elsewhere . An example a car, an Audi with four drunken youths ,no seat belts and estimated speed of 200 kmh head on to a small Kia driven by a middle aged woman who escapes with minor injuries [ a miracle]. People who witnessed the incident attest to the fact that the occupants of the Audi were not wearing seat belts and the vehicle reeked of alcohol . The four o occupants of the Audi died before they were cut out .
So now we get the relatives of the deceased weeping and wailing and the platitudes coming out . How they were such nice caring men ,a father and people who were always there to help. What about others who were also on the road and could have been victims and the poor woman in the KIA probably traumatised and terrified to ever drive again..
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As the saying goes... If you play with fire You will get burnt. Those young idiots decide to drink and drive and sadly a lady now will live with it for the rest of her life. I have to say this but if you drink/drug drive then you get to your grave a lot quicker, am I sorry these idiots died on that I say any death is a loss they decided to drive while drunk and payed the price.
 
Agree with everyone else and at least no one innocent was hurt which is often the case with those who chose to drive in a dangerous antisocial way
 
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Cagey75 said:
You condone mindless drunk fueled speeding and putting everyone else around you at risk then? Free for all, because God forbid any ' c*** ' would nay say that behaviour
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Nope. I just appreciate thst young people often make mistakes. And that they generally don’t intend any malice or harm to others. Because I was young once. And I did some stupid things. Fortunately, nothing resulting in harm to others. Because perhaps that’s just down to luck more than judgment. Whatever.

Somewhere, someone has lost sons, brothers, children, loved ones. That’s what I choose to reflect upon.
 
Bridges said:
Nope. I just appreciate thst young people often make mistakes. And that they generally don’t intend any malice or harm to others. Because I was young once. And I did some stupid things. Fortunately, nothing resulting in harm to others. Because perhaps that’s just down to luck more than judgment. Whatever.

Somewhere, someone has lost sons, brothers, children, loved ones. That’s what I choose to reflect upon.
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Yeah sure, road to hell is pathed with good intentions blah blah blah. Intent is irrelevant. While their deaths will indeed be tragic to some that were close to them, I don't feel any loss whatsoever for these idiots and can only hope the gene pool is all the better for it.
 
engine driver said:
Lets not give this moron anymore time.
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Resorting to abuse when you don’t have anything intelligent to say. How courageous.

Donnie said:
Yeah sure, road to hell is pathed with good intentions blah blah blah. Intent is irrelevant. While their deaths will indeed be tragic to some that were close to them, I don't feel any loss whatsoever for these idiots and can only hope the gene pool is all the better for it.
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I don’t feel any sense of loss personally either, but I won’t take any pleasure or satisfaction from their deaths.
 
Bridges said:
Resorting to abuse when you don’t have anything intelligent to say. How courageous.
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I don't know you, how much experience you have with forums, or indeed in meat space. The problem you have here is that your earlier post strongly implies anyone supporting the main view expressed is pudenda. So it would be fair to say that you started the abuse.

There's no reason you should not argue a contrary point of view and some of your observations are excellent, but played like this, you'll simply strengthen opinions to the contrary. Take time, consider your next reply and wait before hitting the POST button.
 
I don't understand why this thread has gone downhill. It seems to me that the thread is about the entitled view of some (many) people, who always blame others for everything that goes wrong in their life.

I caught an example of this on a TV news programme recently. A 14-year old girl who needed frequent hospital appointments and happened to be profoundly deaf. Her mother was complaining that, sometimes, there wasn't a BSL interpreter available and sometimes, even when there was, the interpreter was male, which was totally unacceptable.
Fair enough at first glance, but the mother was fluent in BSL and was communicating with her daughter throughout the interview - she didn't even need an interpreter and it was clearly a non-story!

I needed an interpreter once myself, at a hospital in China. No problem, I paid for one. It didn't occur to me that anyone else was responsible for providing one.
 
ancient_mariner said:
don't know you, how much experience you have with forums, or indeed in meat space. The problem you have here is that your earlier post strongly implies anyone supporting the main view expressed is pudenda. So it would be fair to say that you started the abuse.
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Well I apologise if that was how people interpreted my comment. Just to clarify; it did only refer to myself, and nobody else. And it was made using unnecessarily coarse language, I admit. I could, and should have made my point more eloquently. But that doesn’t excuse the direct personal abuse.
ancient_mariner said:
There's no reason you should not argue a contrary point of view and some of your observations are excellent, but played like this, you'll simply strengthen opinions to the contrary. Take time, consider your next reply and wait before hitting the POST button.
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I think that piece of advice should be extended to others. I’m happy to concede your point though.
 
Bridges said:
Yep. Cos I’m not a c***.
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It's OK guy's I'll say it.
I think you may like to re-evaluate that comment.

Bridges said:
I don’t feel any sense of loss personally either, but I won’t take any pleasure or satisfaction from their deaths.
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Having no sympathy is totally different, from taking satisfaction from their deaths.
No one knows here what these kids are like, it maybe the first time they got p***ed up, celebrating something or other , or on their way to a drug deal, they still shouldn't have got in a car and driven potentially 60mph OVER the speed limit. Or of course they may have been on their way to a drug deal, who knows
My sympathy lies with the woman who has to live with this for the rest of her life

ancient_mariner said:
The problem you have here is that your earlier post strongly implies anyone supporting the main view expressed is pudenda.
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Posts Toni, posts, not just in here.
 
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Bridges said:
Resorting to abuse when you don’t have anything intelligent to say. How courageous.
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ancient_mariner said:
I don't know you, how much experience you have with forums, or indeed in meat space. The problem you have here is that your earlier post strongly implies anyone supporting the main view expressed is pudenda. So it would be fair to say that you started the abuse.
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Bridges said:
Well I apologise if that was how people interpreted my comment. Just to clarify; it did only refer to myself, and nobody else. And it was made using unnecessarily coarse language, I admit. I could, and should have made my point more eloquently. But that doesn’t excuse the direct personal abuse.
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Not that I condone it but you reap what you sow at the end of the day. As said, your initial comments were an instigator and then @Cobra 's comment below even asks for you to re-evaluate.....

Cobra said:
It's OK guy's I'll say it.
I think you may like to re-evaluate that comment.
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Bridges said:
Nah. I’m good, thanks.
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But you miss the opportunity and stand my your abusive language :thinking::thinking::thinking: That makes any of your previous apologies or self reflection on how you have come across completely insincere.
 
Yesterday, on another forum, we were discussing the piece of scum, who went out of the house carrying a machete and then murdered a 15 year old girl. Various posters then tried to excuse his actions, saying that it was the deprived social conditions and lack of opportunity which caused him to do it.
I don't know what has happened to society, when some people try to excuse the inexcusable.
 
Donnie said:
Not that I condone it but you reap what you sow at the end of the day. As said, your initial comments were an instigator and then @Cobra 's comment below even asks for you to re-evaluate.....
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I think you’ve misunderstood. Cobra was asking me to re-evaluate my comment that ‘I’m not a c***’. As I’m still not, I have no need to re-evaluate. As I said; I’m good.
 
andya700 said:
I don't know what has happened to society, when some people try to excuse the inexcusable
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I don’t think anyone’s trying to do that. Some people choose to try to understand why things happen, rather than simply judge and condemn. Because understanding can help with preventing similar events in the future. Messed up people will still do messed up things, but if you can get to the root of why they are messed up in the first place, and prevent similar patterns of upbringing and socialisation, then you can hopefully prevent future incidents and tragedies. If you make no attempt to understand the root of the problem, then bad stuff will continue to happen.
 
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