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When I was a student, my idea of a complete meal was a tin of Heinz beans & sausages and a packet of Smash. If I was feeling extra-creative, I'd add butter to the Smash...Smash - Noooooo! Disgusting stuff.
When I was a student, my idea of a complete meal was a tin of Heinz beans & sausages and a packet of Smash. If I was feeling extra-creative, I'd add butter to the Smash...Smash - Noooooo! Disgusting stuff.
Smash - Noooooo! Disgusting stuff.
I have seen reports that all of the British workers were laid off, but those from EU countries were not. I’m trying to find something that corroborates this.
It was pointed out at the time by many people including such unlikely bed fellows as Jeremy Corbyn, David Cameron and the TUC but off course that was all just project fear.You are correct about people who voted for Brexit having no idea about this(and many other aspects of leaving the EU). Unfortunately the Remain campaign was totally pathetic is letting people know what could happen if we left the EU. The leave campaign told us how everything would be so good if we left the EU, the Remain campaign said little more than, "Its better to be in a club than outside it"
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It’s not the owners driving this, it’s the greedy customer who wants everything as cheap as possible
I think it's possible. But unfortunately we don't know that with any certainty.
You're right. I always think that Leave didn't so much win the campaign as Remain lost it.
This apparently was sent to the thugs who were to oversee getting the P&O staff off the ships.
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What a load of rubbish.pretty true that but it didn't really make much difference.
The culture racists won the day and i am sure they sit to this day in there British sitting rooms convincing there selves
while none of there children can gain employment outside of our xenophobic borders
they must be so proud.
What a load of rubbish.
He may have been working to rule but it was widely reported at the time and widely rejected as project fear.To be fair, Corbyn was working to rule and pointing it out as quietly as possible.
I mentioned in another thread that there's a number of people who bring Brexit up in thread after thread so this thread is no surprise to me, but I don't see a coloration here or any great blame on the Cons and I don't see any political mileage here, yet. I've no idea if what P&O have done is legal in the wrangle that shipping seems to be and from news reports I can't decide if anyone knows yet but they've certainly not made any friends, anywhere.
One thing I was proud of in my past as a supervisor and manager was that no one got the sack although we did have one redundancy which was unavoidable. I fought for our little team and always tried to do the right thing and protect jobs. It seemed the right thing to do. Hopefully someone somewhere in the higher echelons of P&O fought for the workers but lost out. Knowing that someone fought for them would be something to hang on to.
The £200million loss over the last 2 years is what has ultimately forced P&O to take action.I have to admit to be honest I have been guilty about that myself, but I do believe in this case it’s relevant because one of the main reasons that the leavers wanted to get out of the EU was to be able to reduce employment protection and similar legislation to make the UK more competitive unfortunately this results in situations like what’s happening with P&O ferries
I’m happy to be corrected if I’m wrong on this
People can still work in the EU you know.you can think what ever you want to mate but the truth hurts
voting leave has left loads of old people sitting smugly in there living rooms
while the entire youth generation is now cut off from any employment outside of the UK
the leavers sold out the next generation and all there future, deal with it......
People can still work in the EU you know.
Oh yes. There is more red tape but just responding to the poster saying they can’t.It‘s not so easy nowadays. Last time I looked, a hiring company had to be able to demonstrate that they couldn’t hire from within the EU first. You’ll need a visa because we no longer have the RIGHT to work in the EU, and a work permit. You cannot obtain a visa until you have a job offer.
It does, and the people to blame for that are the lunatics who rushed through the Limited Liability Act in 1855. Even at the time it was seen as dangerous to provide a firewall between investors and the outcome of their actions (or, more often, inaction). :banghead:I think it stinks...
People can still work in the EU you know.
Industrial Tribunals became employment Tribunals in 1998 as a result of the employment rights act 1998.The Conservative government has gradually whittled away these rights, Industrial Tribunals became Employment Tribunals, which became almost impossible to win without expensive lawyers, which of course favours the employers.
It goes both ways. Sacking someone is not that easy, when people are underperforming they are put on an improvement plan and it can take a few months to be able to terminate. I had someone who knew how to play the sick card so well they literally worked about 4 months in the 3 years I managed them. What is a lot more common are compromise agreements where you are sacked to all intents and purposes but typically get your notice paid in full plus one or two month’s salary tax free.The Labour government introduced the Industrial Training Act, 1964, which created Industrial Tribunals and Employment Rights. They weren't perfect but they did give a level of employment protection to ordinary workers, and IMO one of the major benefits was that lawyers were actively discouraged, which meant that cases were won or lost on the facts, not on the depth of people's pockets.
The Conservative government has gradually whittled away these rights, Industrial Tribunals became Employment Tribunals, which became almost impossible to win without expensive lawyers, which of course favours the employers.
Employment protection is now virtually dead, as demonstrated by this mass sacking, due to the greed of the large employers which financially support the Conservatives.
True, but it was the Conservatives that then whittled away the employment rights and also changed the Procedural Rules of the Employment Tribunals - death by a thousand cuts..Industrial Tribunals became employment Tribunals in 1998 as a result of the employment rights act 1998.
Conservatives weren't even in power then...so Labour did nothing to reinstate previous rights....
They're all as bad as each other....
The get-out-of-jail-card in this situation is redundancy. The person isn't sacked but their job ceases to exist..It goes both ways. Sacking someone is not that easy, when people are underperforming they are put on an improvement plan and it can take a few months to be able to terminate. I had someone who knew how to play the sick card so well they literally worked about 4 months in the 3 years I managed them. What is a lot more common are compromise agreements where you are sacked to all intents and purposes but typically get your notice paid in full plus one or two month’s salary tax free.
You do need a balance. You need to protect both workers and the employer.
They are reportedly paying the scabs £2.60 an hour.Couldn’t they just let current employees in on the situation and say ‘look, this is the situation, you can either take a pay cut(and pay them what they want to pay these new people), or you can lose your job.’ Surely that would be better than making the choice for them?
Don’t they have to pay them minimum wage? Also what jobs are they going to be doing?They are reportedly paying the scabs £2.60 an hour.
If you're a company in Dubai that uses your Swiss intermediary to set up a Maltese company that employs the Eastern European crew you're putting on your Cyprus-registered ships, apparently you don't have to.Don’t they have to pay them minimum wage? Also what jobs are they going to be doing?
And of course you do all that to benefit the cost conscious consumer.If you're a company in Dubai that uses your Swiss intermediary to set up a Maltese company that employs the Eastern European crew you're putting on your Cyprus-registered ships, apparently you don't have to.