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i'm starting to wonder if i'll ever get the hang of this photography lark, take this thread for instance

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=129680

i cannot understand why the path in image 2 is such a concern ! it's a path, it lives there, the bike is at the side of an immovable path which does nothing to detract from the bike, which is nice by the way :) i just can't get my head round many of the comments on various threads, if there is a fence at the side of a race track why should it be such a problem ? i prefer to see stuff that should be there rather than a stale featureless picture of a car/bike etc ! any body else think like this or am i the only one destined not to be a photographer ?

ps no offence to any of the participants of the thread mentioned, it was the first example i came across
 
i kind of agree with you, but not wholly.

it depends if you want to be a "photographer" or a happy snapper.

we can all pretty much do ok images, but i want to do WOW! images, so composition etc requires more thought.
 
Various things that might detract from the subject matter.
In that case, the path did distract.

As a photographer whose name I can't remember once said, "It's not what you leave in the frame, it's what you decide to leave out which makes the photograph,"

There's stuff that should be there, but that stuff doesn't always add to the subject matter imo.
If you're okay leaving something in frame that would bother someone else, fine.

After all, photography is subjective.

Me, personally, in the example you've given - I'd have taken a step to the left and cut the path out.
 
Sarin said:
Agreed but i do this sort of crap all the time. Get home look at the pics, "why the hell did i not see that"?
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Not just me then?
 
knocker said:
i'm starting to wonder if i'll ever get the hang of this photography lark, take this thread for instance

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=129680

i cannot understand why the path in image 2 is such a concern ! it's a path, it lives there, the bike is at the side of an immovable path which does nothing to detract from the bike, which is nice by the way :) i just can't get my head round many of the comments on various threads, if there is a fence at the side of a race track why should it be such a problem ? i prefer to see stuff that should be there rather than a stale featureless picture of a car/bike etc ! any body else think like this or am i the only one destined not to be a photographer ?

ps no offence to any of the participants of the thread mentioned, it was the first example i came across
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I have to disagree. IMO, a photographer should look for the most ascetically pleasing scene available if SPEED is not an issue. Why have a distracting band of colour (the path), if you could simple change the angle and move the bike? You should fuss and force yourself to get the very best shot you can, every single time you try. You should strive to grow and be the best you can.

It is extremely important to maximise your photo's potential by eliminating any distractions or other errors. Easy for me to preach, I am forever making silly mistakes.

Gary.
 
knocker said:
i'm starting to wonder if i'll ever get the hang of this photography lark, take this thread for instance

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=129680

i cannot understand why the path in image 2 is such a concern ! it's a path, it lives there, the bike is at the side of an immovable path which does nothing to detract from the bike, which is nice by the way :) i just can't get my head round many of the comments on various threads, if there is a fence at the side of a race track why should it be such a problem ? i prefer to see stuff that should be there rather than a stale featureless picture of a car/bike etc ! any body else think like this or am i the only one destined not to be a photographer ?

ps no offence to any of the participants of the thread mentioned, it was the first example i came across
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The path is distarcting - move the bloody bike!;) The grass was a lovely contrast spoilt by the immoveable object, so move the moveable one:D.
What frustrates me is when I'm out and about and see something that would be a fab image but no camera - now thats frustrating but not as frustrating as taking what you think is a good shot and getting it on the monitor at home to find its bad. I seem to do that a lot:bonk:
 
Have to echo some of the comments above.

Given the bike was movable and you could move your position as well then clear everything out of the scene except the bike (ideally just against grass with no trees behind it).

Were it the situation where it was a now or never shot and captured in that position it would be forgiveable
 
TBH i agree with the original post, but think the example shown was a bad one. I would have said a better one would have been comments about things like pans at racetracks with a marshal, ambulance or bin etc in the background being distracting.
 
if you'd posted the images on a bike forum they of said cracking bike, on a photography forum they will obviously notice things like paths.

I've done it myself a lot, my camera just has a little sticker now that just says "LOOK, SEE!" :D reminding me to check everything through the view finder before pressing the button :)

Oh, and there is always photoshop!

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not great but better than nothing :D

Oh, and nice bike! very jealous! hoping my bonus this month is enough to afford a new lens and get my bike licence :D
 
knocker said:
so should this pic, the last one with the pallets wanted sign, have had the top bit above the fence removed ? or are the pallet signs distracting or something else that i can't see/understand

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=130026
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I actually like the pallet signs, it suggests a reference between work and play, makes the image. If it was photoshop'd to have a gritty feeling to it then I'd really like it. I can't described how I mean, but I can picture it.

I'd do a closer crop on the first and edit out the coke bottle.

The second one could be photoshopped as well, although with the three signs and blue barriers it may be quicker to go and redo it :D

Obviously though, you don't want to have to rely on photoshop and want to get the image right first time. I'd suggest a reminder somewhere you will see it when using your equipment :)
 
For me its the difference between "taking a picture" and "making a picture" one of the best things I was ever told was before you press the shutter run your eye around the frame, make sure there is nothing in the picture you dont want to be there.
Mart.
 
Marvin d martian said:
For me its the difference between "taking a picture" and "making a picture" one of the best things I was ever told was before you press the shutter run your eye around the frame, make sure there is nothing in the picture you dont want to be there.
Mart.
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usually bl**dy people...and you wait...and as they move...some other person walks in to your shot lol
 
Are you into Bikes or into photography?

A serious photographer sees the whole image, and understands how a background and foreground effects things.

A bike lover can hardly see beyond the bike.

A photographer who is also a bike lover should be able to see both aspects.

Photography is mostly about seeing....
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
Are you into Bikes or into photography?

A serious photographer sees the whole image, and understands how a background and foreground effects things.

A bike lover can hardly see beyond the bike.

A photographer who is also a bike lover should be able to see both aspects.

Photography is mostly about seeing....
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Well said.
 
i just can't get my head round many of the comments on various threads, if there is a fence at the side of a race track why should it be such a problem ? i prefer to see stuff that should be there rather than a stale featureless picture of a car/bike etc ! any body else think like this or am i the only one destined not to be a photographer ?
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My basic approach given an unmoveable object.

Give the picture I haven't taken yet a title. This gives me a brief.

Next I will try and compose my picture, camera up high, down low, lens zoomed in, lens zoomed out. Once a possible combination seems fine, I then look for other things within the frame that either add or subtract from the image. At this stage I might go for a plan b view or focal length, which is better at portraying the subject of the picture.

The bottom line is that the picture should match the title with as little distraction as possible, and if I'm lucky have other things within the frame that enhance the images subject.
 
Whenever I take a picture of my car I always make sure there is no other parked cars (unless they are part of the picture) in my frame. I make sure it is solely my car. I also look out for other bits of rubbish that may spoil the picture. I dont always see them but I do most of the time!!

If you want a picture that is a record of the bike then :thumbs: fantastic have paths and distracting elements in them. If you want a picture that illustrates how good the bike is then get rid of the clutter!!!!
 
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