It is MY images, NOT the cameras! My new camera: Oly Pen!

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Hey all,

These past few months I have been wondering what to do about my kit; I had two Canon bodies and two prime lenses, the longer of which pretty much constantly sat in the boot of my car waiting for me to 'fancy' a trip to shoot nature. A few of you are aware that I am doing a 365 on my website, and I am 25 days in. My main aims of the 365 are to improve my photography and capture the world around me; I have always been fascinated (and in awe) of the ability of some togs to make any subject interesting and engaging. As a result of these aims, I have been taking my gripped 5D and 85 pretty much everywhere with me, but the weight and size was making taking the camera out restrictive and drew too much attention at certain times.

So, yesterday I spent a while trying to sort out where I want to go with photography, and assessing exactly why I own certain bits of kit. The two bodies was because I hated the thought of getting dust on my sensor when switching lenses. Result? a good £££ sat doing nothing for the bulk of the time. All because I didn't want to have to clean my sensor, or switch lenses; a fair enough justification for people who would use both cameras constantly but a bit of a waste for me.

I have been looking at smaller bodies since last christmas - the portability and functionality has always interested and tempted me, but (me being a bit of a tool) always thought 'well I dont want to be able to blame the equipment for a poor picture so will stick to DSLR'. I played around lots with a Canon G10 and a few other alternatives and found them to be too 'P&S' and not amazing picture performance compared to what my other kit can do.

Along cometh the micro four thirds range.... And again my tool like thoughts made me bias towards them and discount even without trying.

-Mistake! And totally wrong-

Last week the preverbial memory card droppped, and I thought - is it the equipment that produces the image, or the tog? Of course it is the tog! I have seen some absolutely amazing images taken on a Lomo camera or an iPhone! And so the reading began. The Leicas were tempting (although unfortunately way out of budget unless I offloaded all of my kit!) and the only other highly rated, in my price budget, small bit of impressive kit, was the Pen range.

Thursday was decision day and I decided to sell off one of my bodies, and invest in an Olympus E-PL1. I decided that the time had come - I define the strengths of a shot, and the camera only aids in this. If the money I had sat invested in the boot of my car could be put to better use then it definitely should be; and I would have to man up and start sensor cleaning!

My god am I glad I stopped being a tool and gave the Pen a chance. I played with one extensively in the shop and have been playing with the one I purchased since.

Oh my wotsits!!!... why did I EVER think that these couldn't produce exciting images?! DSLR bias, willy waggling with a massive camera, size matters; surely bigger=better? All of these I think. Couple that with the reason I take images... is it to be proud of the images I produce? Sure it is, but I was too focused on blaming/using the equipment and theory to get the best images I could, without paying enough thought to my own abilities.

It feels really refreshing to have taken ownership of my photography; I make the image and if it is poor, it is my fault and not the equipment I am using.

If I may quote Diego:
In conclusion, bear in mind that since 2005 I have had 2 X Canon Mark II N, 5D, Mark III, 5D Mark II and Nikon wise, a D300, D3, D700 and done some mad stuff with my cameras for work and fun, but this camera enthralls me like none of the above and to sum it up, I think Panasonic have out Leica'd Leica and that quite frankly, is incredible.

I feel exactly the same way about the pen. It has got me truly excited about photography again - I am itching to get out there and push this little beast!

Excuse the ramblings, but I needed a wake up call! I would love to hear of your experiences/transitions, and also your thoughts on the Pen range if you have one.

My name is Matt, and I am no longer a willy waggling equipment collecting whore of a togger!
 
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My name is Matt, and I am no longer a willy waggling equipment collecting whore of a togger!

So, another one that woke and smelled the 4/3 coffee! Good luck with the new Pen, cant wait to see what you do with it

Allan
 
Great post - you have made the same move I did (kind of) just a few weeks ago.

I have a DSLR and a few lenses that don't get used too often - not because I don't enjoy it - but because grabbing everything I need to use them effectively became a backpack job and quite a chore.

I now have a GF1 and 20mm F1.7 (You should buy this lens btw, it's mint!) and it is invigorated my photography. I love the format and Diego's quote is 100% correct in my experience.

The DSLR is going nowhere - there are some types of photography I do that the GF1 simply isn't the right tool for.

Still, the GF1 is with me every day now and the 7D comes out when I need it.
 
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Cheers guys :)

Allan - I am still in the learning phase but will be posting an images that help highlight my 'eye opening' and destruction of previous prejudice :D

Richard - I am reading up on potential lens choices! Canon is much easier to find - EF mount job done!

The DSLR is going nowhere - there are some types of photography I do that the GF1 simply isn't the right tool for.

This is a very important point that I omitted from my post. I will always have a DSLR - like you say there are times where you simply need one - especially for work purposes. My hobby of photography is meant to be something I enjoy though, and all about capturing life around me in an artistic and engaging way, and both my DSLR and the Pen will hopefully do this in equal measure by me understanding and using them to their strengths.
 
I don't really see the point of these semi-rant style posts. Just re-read that semi-hysterical title again ;)

Everyone is different, and your post seems just about trying to persuade yourself as much as others.

Any camera takes nice shots, if the person behind it is any good. Surprised this came as news to you :)
 
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I was recently looking at the Olympus lineup whilst struggling with what camera to buy. My main aim was to free up some cash but also to give me the tools I needed to progress with my hobby.

For me it wasn't an easy decision, part of me wanted to stay full frame and save cash through the use of 2nd hand prime lenses. The other part of me was looking back to micro 4/3 with a twinkle in my eye. It's sheer convenience and portability make it ideal for the hobbyist and family shooter.

My main problem is lenses, once you start to look at increasing your lens lineup things get pretty expensive again. The cost of the panasonic lineup is ludicrous. The only way around this is to use an adapter and older manual focus lenses but then you lose the portability of the system and it's no more bulky than a D700 with the same lens.

The in-body IS on the Pen range makes it an interesting thought though for playing with cheaper older lenses... hmmmm

Enjoy the purchase.
 
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I very nearly did the same but couldn't quite bring myself to do it! I ended up going to prague with the tiny camera bag my OM-2sp usually sits in (Oly connection!) with my 40d degripped and only my 18-50 lens and a square filter holder with some hitech nd grads. If felt so freeing not to lug around my big old bag and tons of lenses. Gave me the time and energy to actually take a photo! I love the new pens but really need them to be a mid crop like the canon or nikon, I just take too many landscape snaps for me to get on with a x2.
 
I don't really see the point of these semi-rant style posts. Just re-read that semi-hysterical title again ;)

Everyone is different, and your post seems just about trying to persuade yourself as much as others.


Any camera takes nice shots, if the person behind it is any good. Surprised this came as news to you :)

Hey Andy.

Nope not a rant nor a 'self convincer' - I have already got my thoughts in order and am posting to see if it strikes a chord with anyone and if they have made a similar transition.

The 'any camera takes nice shots' - it didn't come as a surprise to me, but actually assessing and drilling down why I had certain bits of kit and for what purpose did. The Pen is already impressing me way above what the Canon G series did so it is still a decent bit of kit - yes any camera can take a nice shot, but it is down to the tog where the quality/kit ratio balances out to acceptable standards. Totally agree with the person behind the shot though - hence the post.

I was recently looking at the Olympus lineup whilst struggling with what camera to buy. My main aim was to free up some cash but also to give me the tools I needed to progress with my hobby.

For me it wasn't an easy decision, part of me wanted to stay full frame and save cash through the use of 2nd hand prime lenses. The other part of me was looking back to micro 4/3 with a twinkle in my eye. It's sheer convenience and portability make it ideal for the hobbyist and family shooter.

My main problem is lenses, once you start to look at increasing your lens lineup things get pretty expensive again. The cost of the panasonic lineup is ludicrous. The only way around this is to use an adapter and older manual focus lenses but then you lose the portability of the system and it's no more bulky than a D700 with the same lens.

The in-body IS on the Pen range makes it an interesting thought though for playing with cheaper older lenses... hmmmm

Enjoy the purchase.

Agree with all of this. I am hoping to keep the lens selection for my Pen simple.

Thanks and I look forward to posting some shots from it.

I very nearly did the same but couldn't quite bring myself to do it! I ended up going to prague with the tiny camera bag my OM-2sp usually sits in (Oly connection!) with my 40d degripped and only my 18-50 lens and a square filter holder with some hitech nd grads. If felt so freeing not to lug around my big old bag and tons of lenses. Gave me the time and energy to actually take a photo! I love the new pens but really need them to be a mid crop like the canon or nikon, I just take too many landscape snaps for me to get on with a x2.

Cheers Jim. I am hoping the new kit will also help me with the bit in bold. We are off to Edi on monday and I will only be taking the Pen. Agreed the x2 is a factor and I shall see how it pans out on holiday.

Thanks all of your for posting your experiences and ideas. :thumbs:
 
My main problem is lenses, once you start to look at increasing your lens lineup things get pretty expensive again. The cost of the panasonic lineup is ludicrous. The only way around this is to use an adapter and older manual focus lenses but then you lose the portability of the system and it's no more bulky than a D700 with the same lens.

For me, the sweet spot of the Panasonic range is the 20mm f/1.7. The 14-45mm kit lens is very sharp but a bit slow, and I don't see the point of large or long lenses on what is supposed to be a compact system.

The 20mm is perfect - small, sharp, fast, reasonably priced, and the ideal normal focal length. Spot on. For m4/3rds I don't want ultra-wide or ultra-tele - leave that to the DSLRs. However I do bemoan the lack of a fast medium tele - the PanaLeica 45mm f/2.8 is too slow, too short, too big and too expensive. Bring on the 55mm f/1.4 pancake!

To digress slightly, and to pick up on the "out-Leica'd Leica" comment, about which I couldn't agree more. I see a lot of internet chatter bemoaning the lack of a "manual digital" system - the equivalent of a compact basic 70s SLR with fast primes, manual focus and manual controls. IMHO it's arrived with the Panasonic m4/3rds offerings - either the G1 or GF1 with accessory finder has the best manual focus system of any digital camera with its auto-magnify feature, and full manual mode is easy to control using one click-and-rotate wheel, because of the information in the digital finders. All for reasonable money. I just don't understand why these systems haven't been more accepted by those looking for a more compact, manual digital. Possibly put off by the LCD viewfinder, but I think the digital finder is excellent, and gives features not available using traditional finder, such as tracking AF. I personally think digital finders are the future.
 
Having owned the GF1 and 20mm before I agree - it's a superb lens. However it's not suitable for all subject matters and sometimes a different lens is needed. For those looking to use this as a compact on steroids then this will do the job, for those looking to replace their DSLR system completely further lenses would be needed.

and this is where the system falls down to an extent.
 
yep, you are right. i couldn't agree more with the fact its the photographer.

i could take 95% of my photos with the cheapest slr and an 18-200.
although i think i'll stick with my D3 and 70-200 :) i think it's important to realise how true this is though.
 
Whatever makes you happy man. You gonna keep the 85?!
 
I would love to get a four thirds camera, but as I have a reasonably complete DSLR system I don't want to sell everything and start again.

The Olympus PEN's look damn nice.
 
Having owned the GF1 and 20mm before I agree - it's a superb lens. However it's not suitable for all subject matters and sometimes a different lens is needed. For those looking to use this as a compact on steroids then this will do the job, for those looking to replace their DSLR system completely further lenses would be needed.

and this is where the system falls down to an extent.

I think I am also about to buy a GF1 but heading towards the 14-45 over the 20mm. I know you had some changes, did you end up with the GF1 14-45 or the PEN?

Chris
 
, I just take too many landscape snaps for me to get on with a x2.

I really don't think that you would even notice the difference from 1.6 to 2x.

What might hold you back is the real lack of glass choice for these cameras.
 
I would love to get a four thirds camera, but as I have a reasonably complete DSLR system I don't want to sell everything and start again.

The Olympus PEN's look damn nice.

Well, I wouldn't want to sell my 5D and Canon EF glass, but I've been keeping a watchful eye on m4/3 for a lightweight secondary digital system when the price is right.

When I can get an EP2 body for £300-£350-ish I quite likely will - I think I really want a decent EVF so I've passed up the recent deals on the EP1. I have a selection of Canon FD lenses for my A-1 that I'm keen to try out with the format.
 
I think I am also about to buy a GF1 but heading towards the 14-45 over the 20mm. I know you had some changes, did you end up with the GF1 14-45 or the PEN?

Chris

Hi Chris, at the moment I am 'cameraless' having just sold my 5D MKii. I'm a massive fan of the micro 4/3 systems but lack of lens choice and competitive prices means I'm still in two minds. I am currently looking for a used D700 and would be surprised if I when micro 4/3 - but never say never ;)

If I did it would be the E-P2 and not the GF1 to give me in-body IS.
 
This one is going round and round and ro . . . . ! A lot of togs seem to be having these doubts . . . ?

Why dont we accept there is a need by some, for a small quality camera . . . OK! Panasonic or Olympus??? which ever, the issue for me falls in two areas, a 20mm lens just does not have the flexibility . . . and, I cant live with out a viewfinder, screens are good a lot of the time, but when the sun comes out, o'dear . . . :thinking:

A third issue is the; 'only a DSLR will do brigade' . . . that one will never go away, and I'm a fully paid up member! However, I can see the point in light, convenient and practical, for more than 90% of my shots a 4/3 will do fine.

So I looked over the fence . . . :naughty: GF1, every one was getting excited, but no decent EVF and the 20mm lens is often not convenient, plus a larger lens on such a small body looked and felt ungainly, the compactness vanished, what was the point:shrug: At the time the Pen had issues, now with the '2' sort of sorted . . . are they?

The G1, has a half decent EVF, the addition of a rotating screen, very usefully re adjusted in strong sunlight!!! and my dodgy knee appreciates not being put through agony on low angle shots;) Agreed, the body is a 'little larger', but this is offset by the balance of the 14-45, super lens and so convenient. If one was really worried, one could, fit a 20mm lens . . . yes, square off the dimensions and its not that much bigger than a GF1. Pop the G1/20mm in a pouch, I suspect it would fit in a largish coat or anorak pocket. I put mine, complete with 14-45 lens in my man bag.

An upside of these new m4/3 cameras is the amount of information that can be displayed on screen or on in the EVF, DSLR eat your heart out.

The down side . . . come to terms with the lens availability and limitations!!!!!! For 90% of the work they are fine, for the other 10%, make the best of it, or, have a DSLR kit that you can pick up, sorry heave over your shoulder, when the 'needs must'.

By the way, did I mention how good the pictures are from these little gems . . . :lol: Commercial, perhaps not??? but how many of us need commercial . . . other than in our dreams?

CJS
 
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A few of points...

Firstly I love the 20mm f1.7 and don't find it limiting. Many of us managed perfectly well with one "standard" lens in the past and for me a GF1 + 20mm is a great modern interpretation of the sort of quality 35mm cameras many of us had years ago, we probably used those with only one lens too.

Secondly there have been comments about the camera display and sunlight and all I can say is that so far I've had no problems seeing the display, at all, it's just not been an issue.

And lastly, image quality. You have to watch the highlights but the shots can actually take a lot of post capture processing before falling apart. I'd say that they can take more processing than my DSLR shots can. I honestly don't think that image quality is an issue for anyone who is half way competent.

Perhaps at least some of the criticisms are still coming from people who've not tried the camera yet?
 
I still find the comments along the lines of it's a not a "real" camera because it doesn't have a viewfinder odd. From my background, real cameras don't have viewfinders, they have lovely great big bits of ground glass to compose on. Which is actually lots like working with an LCD.

There were of course one or two real cameras with a VF, like the pentax 6x7 but for the most part you only got them on the little toy 35mm machines with their vastly inferior image quality.

It's all relative.

I have bought the EVF for my GF1 because there was one time I just couldn't see a thing in very bright and low sun and it is easier to carry around than a dark cloth. ;)
 
A few of points...

Firstly I love the 20mm f1.7 and don't find it limiting. Many of us managed perfectly well with one "standard" lens in the past and for me a GF1 + 20mm is a great modern interpretation of the sort of quality 35mm cameras many of us had years ago, we probably used those with only one lens too.

Secondly there have been comments about the camera display and sunlight and all I can say is that so far I've had no problems seeing the display, at all, it's just not been an issue.

And lastly, image quality. You have to watch the highlights but the shots can actually take a lot of post capture processing before falling apart. I'd say that they can take more processing than my DSLR shots can. I honestly don't think that image quality is an issue for anyone who is half way competent.

Perhaps at least some of the criticisms are still coming from people who've not tried the camera yet?

Sunlight glare will always be a problem at some time, see 'dazzaji's' post #21.

We all have our likes and dislikes, 'personally' . . . thats 'me personally', I preferred a viewfinder, 'I preferred' the G1, which means I get the convenience of a 'swivel screen', helps loads to change the glare angle in sunny conditions . . . ;)

As I say I 'preferred' the G1 with its half decent EVF that is instantly available, no digging around looking for the plug-in. However, I will admit to using the view screen an awful lot:naughty: perhaps all the time in some sessions, it is excellent, but only because I can move it about to suit the situation. I have found fixed screens a real pain in the past!

I also prefer the 'convenience of the 14-45mm lens' . . . it extends 'my picture taking window' . . . Again, for practicality, I am considering purchasing a 20mm pancake lens, the convenience of popping the camera in my 'poachers pocket' has its appeal on certain occasions

The 4/3 system is all about, general photography, Mr average who wants, small, light, convenient with decent image quality. I am Mr average, having no aspirations of grandeur, not wishing to impress anyone, however if I did want to put a picture on the wall, or give one to a friend, it will PP and print out well.

G1 . . . GF1 . . . 14-45mm or 20mm lens, its personal choices, even money comes into it, the G1 was a bargain this spring! Not sure how the figures stack up at the moment, with the new G2/14-42 setup? The Pen comes in a bit on the high side I think? So dont lets get to 'nit-picking', but agree, 4/3'rds is a force to be reckoned with in its market . . .

CJS
 
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"Sunlight glare will always be a problem at some time, see 'dazzaji's' post."

We speak best when it's from personal experience and although I've used my GF1 in the strongest light I've encountered where I live it's never been an issue at all for me and to be fair Darren did say that he had a problem "one time" in what looks like a very specific instance which so far hasn't been an issue for me personally.

And without wishing to be too controversial, my general point was that some people at least seem happy to make statements without any experience of MFT based perhaps on experience with older technologies. Statements such as poor image quality, shutter lag, can't see the screen in sunlight etc might not just have kept pace with newer technology.

I personally think that if some doubters were to look at MFT with an open mind they'd be shocked at what the cameras are capable of.
 
ll for me and to be fair Darren did say that he had a problem "one time" in what looks like a very specific instance which so far hasn't been an issue for me personally.

that's exactly it. The EVF for me is as much to help with putting the camera low and at silly angles on the tripod. That late afternoon just prompted the buy.

That particular shoot started with an "ooh that looks nice, I'll pull over for a minute". Got out the car with the GF1 and 20mm, four hours and five trips back to the car later, I was stood there with the canon and macro lens on the tripod and two off camera flash heads.

I've shot with dozens of different systems and formats and all are a compromise. These little MFT bodies are far less comprised than some, very low on speciality and very high on adaptability.
 
I feel there is an argument developing for no reason? I'm on your side . . . I just prefer (and own) a G1/14-45mm combination . . . :shrug: . . . after all, the GF1 is the same 'working engine', but lacking some of the built in benefits of the G1, which the GF1 happily trades for size . . . ?

Despite my enjoyment and appreciation of the 4/3 system, I doubt it will totally replace my DSLR . . . which, equally, has a swivel screen, and that I limit to an 18-70mm Nikon lens for 99% of its work ;)

Best of both worlds :lol:

Please be happy with you camera . . . CJS
 
I notice threads like this from Togs who have lots of Canon XXD & XD type kit or the Nikon equivalent and hardly any from those like myself who use Canon XXXD or equivalent In the early days of digital I had a D60 with grip and the sheer size it it made me downgrade to the 350D when time came to change rather than move on to another XXD body,I have never had a problem taking this camera out as I may have had with the weight of larger bodies and L glass.When I am away on business I take my compact but I love coming back to the 400D I now have especially with my beloved and compact 24-85 lens
 
"Sunlight glare will always be a problem at some time, see 'dazzaji's' post."

We speak best when it's from personal experience and although I've used my GF1 in the strongest light I've encountered where I live it's never been an issue at all for me and to be fair Darren did say that he had a problem "one time" in what looks like a very specific instance which so far hasn't been an issue for me personally.

I wish to correct and apologise for a statement I made re the screen on the GF1/G1 . . . "sunlight glare will always be a problem . . . . etc"

I sat down today and had another hard look at my G1, viewing screens have always been associated with problem in sunlight . . . :thinking: however, I am happy to accept technology moves on . . . So I dug . . . !!!!

Found the monitor adjustment, (colour/brightness) thats fine, also discovered it adjusts the EVF as well, depends on which is switched on, but still it bugged me. I found a separate 'LCD mode' in the menu . . . It can be on 'auto', 'power' or 'off'. It seems that 'Auto', adjusts the screen according to conditions, and 'Power' is designed to boost the screen "brightness for out door use". This is over and above the separate 'colour/brightness' options.

I need to have a play . . . as the brightness was not adjusted high enough anyway? and see how that balances out with the two screen viewing modes?

So again, my apologies, it looks like Panasonic might have an answer to 'screen view in bright sunlight' . . . its such a pity the instruction book, and camera menu are a little vague in these and some other areas.

However, its a learning process, I love my G1 . . . I just played to day, took pictures of a 'brick wall and a very scrawny looking robin':lol: but I learned something . . . even if it has taken me, on and off, all day. :thumbs:

CJS
 
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Ess has just got a G2 so I can have a dabble when she is not looking. She is taking some real stunners at the moment and I sometimes think about the fact that this camera performs right out of the box as opposed to having to know something about the settings etc. Good luck with the camera Matt i'm sure it will be a long love affair :) Show us some of your results please.
 
... I just take too many landscape snaps for me to get on with a x2.

Then perhaps you haven't seen either the awesome Oly 7-14mm, or the Oly 9-18mm lenses then...!

Nowt wrong with those two lenses for landscapes... I can vouch for that.
 
I have seen them and they do look good. I guess it's just one of the many parts of the package that worries me! I will soldier on with the 40d (ungripped when necessary!) and see how it goes.
 
I have seen them and they do look good. I guess it's just one of the many parts of the package that worries me! I will soldier on with the 40d (ungripped when necessary!) and see how it goes.
Spot on answer matey.

You stick to what you like and what works for you - that's the best way to get decent images from your kit, and I am sure you will continue to do so.:thumbs:
 
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