Landscape photography - Can creativity be learnt?

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I am asking this question as I have tried some landscape photography with varying degrees of success. What I struggle to do is 'see' the shot. I'm not sure whether I lack imagination or creativity.:help:

Do you think the ability to find those WOW landscapes can be learnt? I keep forgetting to move around and see from different angles. I find it much easier to see a picture then think about and try to recreate it, with my own spin of course!

Wildlife just seems easier to me. Wait (patiently for hours!!) for that bird etc and snap away. Of course it may be OOF or just pretty pants, but there doesn't seem to be the need to think quite so much about composition. (Hope I haven't offended some great wildlife togs here;))

Landscapes just seem in a different league to me. :'( I hope I can learn it and don't need to rely on my imagination, else I'll pack up the lens now!

I wonder what your thoughts are on this? Would love to hear them - And maybe put my mind at rest a bit too
 
I'm in the same boat. I often struggle to 'see' photos.
Its one of the reasons I enjoy going out shooting with others, as I get to see the same scenes through more eyes :D
 
I don't think that creativity can be learnt. You either have that as part of your makeup, or you don't.
It's very common though to think that because your creative nature extends in some directions, it can do all things. Sometimes to take on a new direction is like training a muscle you've not used before. It takes some time and can be painful too. ;)
 
I think there are two important issues in respect of landscapes (IMO)

First is light, and being able to understand how light can effect the final image, low light, bright light, early light, late light etc, and I think this can be learnt, although saying that, the learning must go along with experience, you need to get out there in different light to get to grips with it.

Secondly, it's the ability to have a 'wide eye' (against a narrow eye for example for bird shots), what I mean is being able to look at a scene, and then put all the elements together to make them work.

For example, a mountain range often looks glorious, but because an image is 2D, instead of the 3D you can see, the image often looks flat, and without any points of interest.
Therefore you need to consider the different elements within the scene, move around etc, and bring in different components to give a satisfactory composition, while still portraying the glory of the mountain.

And I don't think it's entirely about rules of thirds, 60/40 split or any special processing, but a lot can be learnt, studying (and copying) the styles of masters, and like Marcel go out with others, pick their brains, watch how they approach different genres.

While I definitely think the likes of Joe Cornish have their own special magic, which cannot be learnt, there's a whole lot that can.

Although I think I'm able to generally put together a satisfactory landscape, the other weekend, on a photo-meet in Wales, it had been a few weeks since I'd done any 'pure' landscapes, and it took me a while to get my 'wide-eye' back into gear, and I nearly lost the late light because of it.

I hope I'm making some sense?
 
Sometimes......I create a landscape in my head, and then go looking for it.
>reverse psychology<
I never find it the next day or anything, it may take yonks to accidentally discover a location that fits the template in my bonce.
It's a eureka thing.
Its no substitute for seeing the shot there and then, but its a starter for ten in a creativity quiz.
Saying that though, we're all shaped by the photographs & images we see everywhere, my template is probably somebody else's photograph already..:)
 
Landscape really frustrates me.... Sometimes I "see" the shot, but converting it a digital image just doesn't seem to work. Other days I go looking for them and just can't seem to get the shot in my head.

I will one day have to go out on a special TP "Landscape" day, and see what help I can get; somebody must wanna help me :shrug:

Steve
 
I think you just have to learn to see - everyone looks - few people can see. Photographers should see! Here's a couple of landscapes from very ordinary situations - hope you like:

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Don't underestimate the element that luck can play as well. Your lucky if the lights right, lucky the clouds clear, lucky you had your camera etc.
But as Les says its training yourself to look at a scene with a landscape photographers eye. I've been going to the same spot for a couple of months at different times of the day and trying to get a different angle on the shot. Not quite sure I've succeded yet but I'll keep trying till I do.

Andy

Oh, love that first one Andy. Great colours.
 
Wildlife just seems easier to me. Wait (patiently for hours!!) for that bird etc and snap away. Of course it may be OOF or just pretty pants, but there doesn't seem to be the need to think quite so much about composition. (Hope I haven't offended some great wildlife togs here;))

my 2p on this is when you are trying to photo wildlife, not captive, you don't really have too much time to compose the shot or try the shot with different settings - quite often you only have the one opportunity to take the shot before the bird or animal is gone.

With Landscape, time, to a point, is not working to the short timeframe as when shooting wildlife. You have time to consider the shot and the composition, the best perspective, which settings and variations on those settings to try, filters etc. and even which lens would work best.
 
You have to keep shooting - keep trying things - and be ruthless - throw away the stuff that doesn't work - gradually you'll get there. Be hard to please!
 
I'm in the same boat. I often struggle to 'see' photos.
Its one of the reasons I enjoy going out shooting with others, as I get to see the same scenes through more eyes :D

Snap, i hadnt got a clue but when i went to wales with my dad he gave me pointers and i got the best landscape photos i'd ever taken, he told me a few rules and while i need loads more advice its certainly put me on the right track, i couldnt stress enough how beneficial it is going out with a seasoned landscaper
 
Any decent reading material that anyone can recommend to help in getting the 'landscape eye'?

Any Joe Cornish book. There's a great one I was looking at before where he shoots something and compares it to when he first shot the scene years earlier. Think it's called 'First Light' or something like that.

If I dont get it for xmas, i'll be buying it in the new year. :)
 
SWAG72,

Lots to go on there. I do believe you can learn to see an image.

What is said about the wildlife above by erding is right - but where you only have a fleeting moment to get a shot doesn't mean you don't think about it....you have done all the thinking before the bird lands on the tig.....settings done, light taken into account, even focus has been preset, all that is missing is the subject.

The same is true of a landscape - you will get to the point where you can see a place that will make a great picture.....maybe not today in this light, but tomorrow morning at dawn....and I'll stand there and use that lens with that rock in the foreground, and that tree on the skyline....and the sun will shine on that stream over there.......you go back tomorrow morning at dawn and set up ready to get the moment you have seen......



and it rains. But if you keep going back, you will get your shot.

You will also learn to "work the scene" - in the amount of time you have with the given light, you take a couple of shots, then change lens and shoot again, move, try another angle.....do this often enough and you will see the shots before you have taken them. As you look at the scene you will see how the elements will interact and it just "does".

Sport is no different. You still have to work the scene, and the lightt. You can't dictate the play, but you can dictate the side of the light you shoot the play from......which lens you use, stopped motion or blur.

Everyone learns to "work the scene". Street photographers just do it on the hoof, and act instinctively.

Landscapers recognise structure that will create the elements given the light (the one bit they have no control over, but can watch for.)
Sport photographers can work from different viewpoints, or perspectives with lens choice and settings choices. Backlight or frontal lighting, side lighting...whatever. They can choose to pick out a tiny detail, or the entire scene, or a single person in action.

So yes, with prctise, you can learn it. Look at as many pictures as you can, books - read how others do it. You might not fit into their mould, but their ideas might give you ideas. A friend of mine Colin Prior, is well known for his panoramics of mountains in Scotland (and other places in Scotland and around the world too) - he will watch the weather and know when the light is likely to be good. he will take a backpacking tent, camping stove and sleeping bag, plus his (in the old days a Fuji 617 and tripod, plus rolls of film and a couple of lenses) camera kit. Hike up to the top of the mountain, get all set, put his head down and wait for the morning - possibly shooting one venue in the evening for sunset and then moving on to get a second shot the following morning.

I have learned over the years that the most successful landscapers are the ones who are prepared to put in many hours to get one shot. I don't have that kind of time or patience, so my landscapes are rubbish - but I can recognise a good one when I see it!

You won't get much by simply wandering around and grabbing pictures. You have to set out to get something. As you work the scene you will think to add small details, or leave something pout, to emphasise an element, to expose for effect. Then your landscape vocabulary will start to expand and the success will then come. After all, you can't write an essay without knowing the alphabet and have an elemental understanding of grammer and punctuation....landscape or any other branch of photography is no different. The alphabet is made up of the various settings you have, grammer is made up from the lenses and filters at your disposal. By putting them together, you can compose your essay. Some will read it and like it, others won't because they don't like science fiction, or whatever.

Photography is very much like writing in that respect.
 
Lensflare

That makes a hell of a lot of sense and very neatly sums up why most of my landscapes lack that certain "punch".

I'm obviously a lazy old fart who hasn't learnt to see properly. Is there any hope? Sure is, as long as really easy to understand advice like this keeps being given to help us lesser mortals. :lol:
 
Some good reading here,and i love the sheep shot,brilliant.:)
 
I've always thought that the best book to help get you seeing what's there is ''the making of landscape photographs'' by charlie waite. Very inspirational and does without all the tech and jargon. :)
 
nicely said Lensflare. I think light is most important, i did slightly disagree about walking about, i've seen a landscape photographer in action it wasnt Colin but he takes notes of places to return to, often more than once. When the light/season is right will keep trying till he sees what hes looking for. Patience really is a virtue lol
 
Thanks folks. I may not be any good - but I have started to understand why I am no good!

Sometimes, you can be a better coach than practitioner.........


If you can't do, teach.
If you can't teach, teach teachers.
If you can't teach teachers, do research.
If you can't do research, write a book!
 
Any Joe Cornish book. There's a great one I was looking at before where he shoots something and compares it to when he first shot the scene years earlier. Think it's called 'First Light' or something like that.

If I dont get it for xmas, i'll be buying it in the new year. :)

First Light-A Landscape Photographers Art-Joe Cornish

ISBN 1 902538 24 2

£16.25 delivered from Amazon (and worth every penny-see the readers reviews, Amazon)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Light...=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1229897327&sr=8-2

And if you take it along to the Joe Cornish evening that Dave is organising, I'm sure he'll sign it for you (Joe Cornish that is, not Dave ;) )
 
This thread has definately given me a couple of books to get in the New Year. It has been really interesting following all your opinions on how we can improve on landscape photography. I still struggle in getting that wow view from my eyes to the camera. Maybe that's just it - A view is different to a landscape!

Hell - Need lots of practice - Hope you're all feeling patient with the results!!
 
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