Leica SL , 24MP FF Mirrorless Camera

boliston said:
So which i40 version would SL owners buy as they do not do a leica version?
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I suspect the Leica has been deliberately crippled to accept only the Leica version. So owners will be bullied into paying the big bucks.

But hey! It's only money.
 
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Pookeyhead said:
There are some seriously lack lustre Ziess lenses too, You only asked me to list cheap good lenses, not rubbish expensive ones.
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But those lenses wil generally be the cheaper end of the range, as you would expect in getting what you pay for. The new range of Zeiss lenses across the systems aren't lacklustre, but you pay accordingly. What rubbish expensive lenses are there?
 
You need money to burn, big muscles and an even bigger ego and be easily conned, to buy one.
not the usual attributes of a photographer. More the qualities of a shady ex banker who salted away his ill gotten gains before they caught up with him.

Perhaps the sort of camera and user that you would cross the street to get away from on a dark night.

Can it take high quality photographs? If you can remember how you set the buttons... probably.
Will users be ridiculed?... undoubtedly.
 
Pookeyhead said:
Nothing.... so long as you just freely admit that you're an idiot, and stop crying like a girl when you're called an idiot... for being an idiot.

It's the SAME flashgun... LOL You're paying for a red dot!
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I'm sure we've already been through something similar with the Meike vs Nikon battery grip. It seems to annoy you that people don't do everything you say and do, it's highly irrational.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
You need money to burn, big muscles and an even bigger ego and be easily conned, to buy one.
not the usual attributes of a photographer. More the qualities of a shady ex banker who salted away his ill gotten gains before they caught up with him.

Perhaps the sort of camera and user that you would cross the street to get away from on a dark night.

Can it take high quality photographs? If you can remember how you set the buttons... probably.
Will users be ridiculed?... undoubtedly.
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It seems to be the red dot is a laugh, but the red ring or L lenses or G lenses or the 'holy trinity' are all revered because more folk use them and covet them. It's hypocritical, non?
 
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Laudrup said:
Does it retain all functions on the Leicas?
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I don't know if the Leica has added any extra feature to the i40. It seems unlikely as the i40 is fully featured already.

It has a hot shoe foot attached with screws to allow Nissin to attach a dedicated foot with the right contacts for each camera system. It's a shame you can't use the same flash on all camera systems. Or provide a replacement foot that is easy for a user to exchange.
 
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Laudrup said:
I'm sure we've already been through something similar with the Meike vs Nikon battery grip. It seems to annoy you that people don't do everything you say and do, it's highly irrational.
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Do what you want... I just find it amusing that people will pay more than they need to get nothing in return. That flashgun is just the perfect example. Exactly the same, yet people will pay a three figure sum for a red dot.

Idiots.
 
ianp5a said:
I suspect the Leica has been deliberately crippled to accept only the Leica version. So owners will be bullied into paying the big bucks.

But hey! It's only money.
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Yeah it isn't like any company to keep to a proprietary format *cough* Sony *cough*. I'm sure you had to grind the metal on some flashes to make them fit the Leica hotshoe at one point, but Leica users eschew flash guns as their photographic genius illuminates the subject adequately. That's why the flashes are so expensive, they only sell them to Canon and Nikon shooters who make the step up.
 
Pookeyhead said:
Do what you want... I just find it amusing that people will pay more than they need to get nothing in return. That flashgun is just the perfect example. Exactly the same, yet people will pay a three figure sum for a red dot.

Idiots.
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I don't know if the Nissin retains all the same functionality on the Leica camera. Flash on a Leica has always been a bit of a mixed bag.
 
Laudrup said:
It seems to be the red dot is a laugh, but the red ring or L lenses or G lenses or the 'holy trinity' are all revered because more folk use them and covet them. It's hypocritical, non?
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The red dot is indeed daft and a laugh, when it is put on third party products.
It it a quick way to devalue it in peoples minds, as it fails to be a guarantee of anything.
The early Leicas made by Leitz That created their reputation, had no red dot. it has always been a marketing ploy, of no real value.
 
It does have real value to the businessmen at Leitz. Brand recognition is helped by the red dot logo, as they are nurse their brand in the face of heavy competition.
 
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Terrywoodenpic said:
The red dot is indeed daft and a laugh, when it is put on third party products.
It it a quick way to devalue it in peoples minds, as it fails to be a guarantee of anything.
The early Leicas made by Leitz That created their reputation, had no red dot. it has always been a marketing ploy, of no real value.
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Making flashes is quite specialist, so why not buy them from a third party who are experts at it? I don't know if the Leica version offers more compatibility or features of TTL etc.
 
Laudrup said:
You can't write a lens off because a preproduciton model was out for testing. The Fuji isn't competing in the same league as a full frame camera with giant exotic zooms.
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What if the production models are the same or worse? It's quite likely that they'll be exactly the same, but with sample variation, just like all lenses. It takes a leap of faith to assume that production models will naturally be better.

Also, I never said the Fujis were competing with this Leica spruce goose, I was just pointing out that Lightroom is not the only way to correct distortion, that should have been quite clear, regardless of your strawman response.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
The red dot is indeed daft and a laugh, when it is put on third party products.
It it a quick way to devalue it in peoples minds, as it fails to be a guarantee of anything.
The early Leicas made by Leitz That created their reputation, had no red dot. it has always been a marketing ploy, of no real value.
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Exactly. All this handmade in Germany talk is crap any way. It's not hand made. It's churned out by a CNC machine like anyone else would make something out of aluminium. Most of the parts will be manufactured in Japan or China, and SOME of it will be assembled in Germany. Big deal.

This thread is ridiculous. Stupid people with too much money who hardly ever even take photographs arguing about whether a 35mm camera is worth 5 grand or not.

I'm out. I can feel my IQ dipping the longer I stay here.
 
It's a bit of a stretch to generalise a whole userbase. But if a few users don't agree with you and it is upsetting, then that's a very fair reason for stopping with the contribution. Enjoy Sunday guys. Go photograph things.
 
I take mine sea kayaking and it's pretty hardy. But then It should be, I paid at least 3K extra for those rubber gaskets.
 
Laudrup said:
Yeah it isn't like any company to keep to a proprietary format *cough* Sony *cough*. I'm sure you had to grind the metal on some flashes to make them fit the Leica hotshoe at one point, but Leica users eschew flash guns as their photographic genius illuminates the subject adequately. That's why the flashes are so expensive, they only sell them to Canon and Nikon shooters who make the step up.
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the Minolta shoe is a better design, but sony went with the MIS shoe, which is pretty bad. and no one is using the same ttl stuff as each other, so its a pointless argument, and the pin layouts aren't the same either. (apart from sigma copying canon :D )
 
Laudrup said:
But pay more and you can get better, which was the point.
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Is that the point with the flash?? You get the same flash.

For more money.

Now, a genius isn't required here to work out the maths...
 
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Laudrup said:
Making flashes is quite specialist, so why not buy them from a third party who are experts at it? I don't know if the Leica version offers more compatibility or features of TTL etc.
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It cant offer anymore, the Nissin i40 is already a fully featured flash. Which is why its unacceptable to charge more on the basis of the name. But if Leica owners buy it, more fool them and they deserve to have as much money removed from their pockets as possible.
 
rich_ said:
I take mine sea kayaking and it's pretty hardy. But then It should be, I paid at least 3K extra for those rubber gaskets.
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The badge fully repels water anyway, so you got conned with those gaskets.
 
odd jim said:
It cant offer anymore, the Nissin i40 is already a fully featured flash. Which is why its unacceptable to charge more on the basis of the name. But if Leica owners buy it, more fool them and they deserve to have as much money removed from their pockets as possible.
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Not necessarily, as they may not know it's a rebadged i40. And thus are being scammed.
 
ianp5a said:
It does have real value to the businessmen at Leitz. Brand recognition is helped by the red dot logo, as they are nurse their brand in the face of heavy competition.
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They got you fooled then...leica have not been owned by Leitz for a very long time.
But it is true that it ts a valuable marketing property, where or whoever design and make the product.
When Leitz owned it leicas and lenses were variously made in france, germany, portugal Canada and Japan. A majority of the top lenses were designed in Canada.
 
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odd jim said:
Is that the point with the flash?? You get the same flash.

For more money.

Now, a genius isn't required here to work out the maths...
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odd jim said:
It cant offer anymore, the Nissin i40 is already a fully featured flash. Which is why its unacceptable to charge more on the basis of the name. But if Leica owners buy it, more fool them and they deserve to have as much money removed from their pockets as possible.
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Go look at the Metz 58 and the Leica SF 58. Again the same flash built by Metz but one with a Leica branding and one a Metz branding, and different prices. However the Leica version does pre-flash and TTL. It wouldn't surprise me to be something like that with these flashes. Plus to satisfy your prejudices no Leicaphile would be seen dead with a stinky Nissin flash, yuck. Etc etc.
 
ianp5a said:
The Metz 58 AF-1 and AF-2, do have TTL and pre flash.
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That don't work with the Leicas supposedly. It would make sense to cripple them or for Leica to add value to their version by enabling more compatibility. If you are spending this amount of money on camera and lenses then worrying about a flash shouldn't be that problematic. You know what you are getting into when you start looking at Leica or other high priced systems.
 
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