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More paedophilia scaremongering
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for what, P****'s
only going to affect people who actively shoot school kids near to schools.
only going to affect people who actively shoot school kids near to schools.
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Im sorry Mike but I read this then looked who posted it .... Mike Jackson
what does that have to do with the article? insider joke?
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ohhh come on MIKE JACKSON- MICHEAL JACKSON need any more clues
ahh yes. I forgot that Michael Jackson had written these poems.
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BBC said:
I'm failing to see how that actually works.
P**** supposedly
a) takes photo of child
b) steals soul of child
c) seeks them out on the interwebz to groom them.
Surely the school should be more concerned about their pupils apparently writing their MSN user name on their school blazers in four inch letters for all the world to see, rather than the length of their skirts or any tightness in the trouser department.
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Well on a more serious note then...... :shake:
How can pointing a camera at someone, clicking the shutter, enable you to groom them through the internet :shrug: have they now developed a lens that extracts personal info into the exif data..... ?
And they thought the new scanners at the airports were intrusive
Teachers on a mission to get the kids to wear different style clothing me thinks.
How can pointing a camera at someone, clicking the shutter, enable you to groom them through the internet :shrug: have they now developed a lens that extracts personal info into the exif data..... ?
And they thought the new scanners at the airports were intrusive
Teachers on a mission to get the kids to wear different style clothing me thinks.
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Well on a more serious note then...... :shake:
How can pointing a camera at someone, clicking the shutter, enable you to groom them through the internet :shrug: have they now developed a lens that extracts personal info into the exif data..... ?
And they thought the new scanners at the airports were intrusive
Teachers on a mission to get the kids to wear different style clothing me thinks.
Yes the word groom isn't quite fitting but taking upskirt shots of kids is ILEGAL! and putting these pictures on the web is also ILEGAL!
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That's not what I or the report said, the report comes across as someone taking pictures of school children and then grooming them on the net. I find it hard to understand how the two can be combined without interaction to gain personal info.
To me, it sounds like another scaremongering story to benefit the school dress code and target photographers as outcasts. For this reason, I agree with the OP of another nail in the coffin.
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Apparently the reaction has been linked to a recent case in the area, somehow I doubt though he was using a 7D and a 300mmf2.8. I suspect the local headmaster sees an opportunity to use this to promote the school uniform and not the nightclub kit you see some kids go to school in.
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Most of the report is about a peadophile taking pictures of Kids and posting them ob the Internet. if you Read it carefully they use the word appropriate quite often referring to the dress code.
it might be another nail in the coffin, but if this is all true there could also be someone taking inappropriate pictures of kids at school.
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Extract from the BBC website article :
"There is recent evidence in the south of Glasgow of adults photographing school girls in short skirts and school girls/boys in tight trousers, then grooming them through the internet.
"We must do all we can to keep our children safe. A modest school uniform is more appropriate than fashion skirts, trousers or tops."
That is all you need to know, someone IS photographing kids - they have evidence. They want kids to wear modest clothes not the short skirts/tight trousers.
How we managed to get through the 60's is beyond me, maybe the peadophiles had portable developing tanks and SAE's for the Daily Mail.
Of course there is a serious side to this story, but try and google school uniform on images, maybe we should make it password protected
I can see the grave being dug out now, we're all doomed I tell ya!! :bang:
"There is recent evidence in the south of Glasgow of adults photographing school girls in short skirts and school girls/boys in tight trousers, then grooming them through the internet.
"We must do all we can to keep our children safe. A modest school uniform is more appropriate than fashion skirts, trousers or tops."
That is all you need to know, someone IS photographing kids - they have evidence. They want kids to wear modest clothes not the short skirts/tight trousers.
How we managed to get through the 60's is beyond me, maybe the peadophiles had portable developing tanks and SAE's for the Daily Mail.
Of course there is a serious side to this story, but try and google school uniform on images, maybe we should make it password protected
I can see the grave being dug out now, we're all doomed I tell ya!! :bang:
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phil8139 said:Extract from the BBC website article :
"There is recent evidence in the south of Glasgow of adults photographing school girls in short skirts and school girls/boys in tight trousers, then grooming them through the internet.
"We must do all we can to keep our children safe. A modest school uniform is more appropriate than fashion skirts, trousers or tops."
That is all you need to know, someone IS photographing kids - they have evidence. They want kids to wear modest clothes not the short skirts/tight trousers.
How we managed to get through the 60's is beyond me, maybe the peadophiles had portable developing tanks and SAE's for the Daily Mail.
Of course there is a serious side to this story, but try and google school uniform on images, maybe we should make it password protected
I can see the grave being dug out now, we're all doomed I tell ya!! :bang:
I think you are over reacting
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The problem here, like in the real world, is the only one taking this story seriously here is illiterate.
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While there may be some truth in the background of the story I can't help thinking the main reason for a headmaster to bring it up is concern about the uniform standard rather than the real danger of attack or risk to his pupils.
Many schools get a kickback from shops selling uniforms (same as from school photographers) so that could also be a factor.
How exactly the pervs are supposed to track them down I don't know, maybe safer not to have the schools name on the uniform as that gives a pervert a starting place to look.
Many schools get a kickback from shops selling uniforms (same as from school photographers) so that could also be a factor.
How exactly the pervs are supposed to track them down I don't know, maybe safer not to have the schools name on the uniform as that gives a pervert a starting place to look.
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Wayne yet again talks a lot of sense and judging by the web sites that came up when I googled school uniform for my children, school uniform is a big turn on for some pervs
Just how common is paedophilia? Is it really the scourge we're encouraged to believe in, or is it just another camouflage for more state sponsored paranoia to raise the fear levels and justify more regulation, control and interference?
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Thats scary- I love capturing strangers street style- not childred I might add :bang:
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I must lead a sheltered life because the only people i see mentioning cameras and pedos.. the only people i see mentioning cameras and anything bad.... is photographers on TP.
To be quite frank.. half the stories i read on here from actual experiances look like there either made up or blown out of proportion .
my point... is it photogrpahers getting paranoid and not the other way around?
To be quite frank.. half the stories i read on here from actual experiances look like there either made up or blown out of proportion .
my point... is it photogrpahers getting paranoid and not the other way around?
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Nothing to do with state sponsored anything, these things come from organsations way lower down the chain than the government and a great deal of it comes from the media of course.
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It's extremely widespread - the vast majority of detected cases occurring within the victims family, the father being the usual offender, although sometimes it's other close male relatives. I've dealt with many cases, the youngest victim being a 6 month old boy repeatedly buggered by his father. It beggars belief doesn't it? In another case , a man had raped his teenaged daughter since she was a tot and the daughter had a 4 year old child by the father. After a week in custody the court granted the guy bail despite my protestations, whereon he promptly murdered both the daughter and the child before committing suicide. He was a lay preacher never seen without a bible tucked under his arm. That was unusual though as family cases don't usually end up with the death of the victim - rather these cases go for years undetected until the child's withdrawn behaviour is noticed at school or by a concerned neighbour - sometimes when the child becomes of an age to report it. Detected cases are just the tip of the iceberg, but it's going on all over leafy suburbia and elsewhere, the majority of cases are just never reported.
Roaming paedophiles are a different matter - very often the victims end up dead simply because the offender fears identification. These are highly dangerous individuals with huge netwworks sharing images of kids which make you want to puke, as well as distributing information about likely victims and hunting grounds. I've been involved in three or four cases where the victims apart from losing their lives, have been subjected to the most appalling sexual depravity.
If you have kids today - then they're at risk - don't have any illusions about it!
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That's it basically - you can't wrap them in cotton wool, but you can educate them and make sure you know where they are. I used to walk quite a distance to school - further than I'd be happy with my kids walking alone today, if I had any of that age still.
I moan like Hell every morning about the 4X4s on my commute dropping kids at school, but it's understandable.
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No its the fact that there are some sick *******s in this world and people don't know what to do, and photographers are a visible target. In reality they could be anyone, even the school teachers and police who are meant to be protecting them.
These people often take photos of their victims and are in possession of child pornography when they get caught. So people make the connection photographer in public equals potential P****. Never mind the fact that nearly everyone carries a mobile phone with a built in camera that would seem a lot more discreet for secretly photographing kids. The bigger the camera, the bigger the threat it would seem. Crazy.
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Pretty much right on the money with that Graham. It's a ludicrous situation!
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I really wonder whether paedophilia is more prevalent in english speaking cultures or that it's just the paranoia about paedophilia is to the fore.
I can happily turn up at an under 13's or under 16's football match and starting clicking away without anyone batting an eyelid. Occasionally a parent will approach me but it's simply to give me their email address so that I can send them the pictures. Street candids are just the same and it's more likely that the adult will make sure that the kid's smiling for the camera.
It would be interesting to know if TP members from Spain, France, Germany or Italy have been subject to any obvious public suspicion or animosity.
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I can happily turn up at an under 13's or under 16's football match and starting clicking away without anyone batting an eyelid. Occasionally a parent will approach me but it's simply to give me their email address so that I can send them the pictures. Street candids are just the same and it's more likely that the adult will make sure that the kid's smiling for the camera.
It would be interesting to know if TP members from Spain, France, Germany or Italy have been subject to any obvious public suspicion or animosity.
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How cynical you are............exactly the first thought that came to my mind when I heard this tosh on the radio today
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same here (uk).. hence why i wonder if its photogrpahers who are more paranoid about being labled a p*** than the general public is about photograpahers..
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There's been an absolute glut of them locally. There were a few weeks in the local paper last year where nearly every day there was another person having been arrested. There's still a steady trickle. Seems to be mostly clergy, councillors and other notables like teachers.
One of them was a former work colleague
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Or, to put it another way, the same group of "notables" who are pointing the finger at photographers as being the culprits....
A cynic might think they were trying to deflect attention from themselves
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In terms of how widespread "paedophilia" is, if you include those who download images of child sex abuse as well as those who physically abuse children for sexual gratification, I'm afraid the reality is scarier than you might wish to believe.
At a training course for his induction to the Police Central e-Crime Unit (PCeU, run by the Met), a colleague of mine asked this same question. The PCeU don't deal with paedophilia - that is specifically handled by the online division of our Child Abuse Comman (SCD5). The instructor decided to show him during a lunch break, and showed him how easy it was to find. It took less than five minutes for him to access over 10,000 newsgroups on a single server - all of which were trading images of child sex.
Operation Ore was a major investigation launched in 1999 when we cracked a major worldwide paedophile ring. It led to 7250 suspects being identified in the UK alone, 1848 being charged and ultimately 1451 being convicted, with a further 500 or so cautions. The situation since then has only got worse. I know for a fact that our SCD5 Covert Paedophile Investigation Unit charge around 5 - 6 people each week for various child grooming offences - so imagine how many are arrested or under investigation at any one time.
Add onto this the regular child abuse often found in (usually poorer) homes, and you have quite a frightening picture.
However, most of it does not stem from photographers walking around, photographing people with an SLR camera in public!
At a training course for his induction to the Police Central e-Crime Unit (PCeU, run by the Met), a colleague of mine asked this same question. The PCeU don't deal with paedophilia - that is specifically handled by the online division of our Child Abuse Comman (SCD5). The instructor decided to show him during a lunch break, and showed him how easy it was to find. It took less than five minutes for him to access over 10,000 newsgroups on a single server - all of which were trading images of child sex.
Operation Ore was a major investigation launched in 1999 when we cracked a major worldwide paedophile ring. It led to 7250 suspects being identified in the UK alone, 1848 being charged and ultimately 1451 being convicted, with a further 500 or so cautions. The situation since then has only got worse. I know for a fact that our SCD5 Covert Paedophile Investigation Unit charge around 5 - 6 people each week for various child grooming offences - so imagine how many are arrested or under investigation at any one time.
Add onto this the regular child abuse often found in (usually poorer) homes, and you have quite a frightening picture.
However, most of it does not stem from photographers walking around, photographing people with an SLR camera in public!
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There's been an absolute glut of them locally. There were a few weeks in the local paper last year where nearly every day there was another person having been arrested. There's still a steady trickle. Seems to be mostly clergy, councillors and other notables like teachers.
One of them was a former work colleague
But what about those damn acrobats? ..... I blame them for all of this. :nono: