My biggest photographic moan!
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You're assuming Bazza is shooting in a public place.
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I shall ignore that question as I can't believe anyone would ask it .
Going back to my first post there are times when you only get one chance to capture a moment and the last thing you want is so idiot blocking what you are taking. Its happened to me several times even by a TV crew member who did nothing but get in everyones way.
I suppose its one of the hazzards of video work, not so common when taking stills.
When its so obvious your filming something, it to me is only polite to either go behind the person taking the pictures or wait until they have finished.
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And?....
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Yup, it's only polite BUT, unfortunately, common decency is fast becoming a thing of the past. I'd like to blame it on youth but it's often the older generation who display such thoughtlesness, in the same way that older women almost without fail (these days) will walk stright past you without even a smile when you are holding a door open for them. I've taken to saying "Thank you" loudly to myself, which sometimes elicits a slightly shocked look from them!
There is a limit though. You say a long video shoot. Assuming (dangerous, I know) that you're on public land, other people do have a right to go where and when they like, it could be said that it's you who's in the wrong by trying to deny them that access. If they're close enough, you could always ask them to wait a moment - a polite ask with a smile is quite likely to work with most decent people.
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From a younger woman - I'm always surprised and say a very happy thank you if someone holds a door open for me. I think because its never expected and I think that is the crux of the issue right there. People expect others to do things for them. Open doors, pause filming so they can walk through etc.
I come across a lot of photographers and videographers while walking and I always, even full pelt running with the dog, stop and wait for them to tell me it's safe to go through. That to me is courtesy and decency and I also think its a crying shame that more notice is not paid to that and common sense and I'm only 26.....
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" it's you who's in the wrong by trying to deny them that access." unquote
not denying access to anyone, so please don't take that attitude. Obviously this thread is going in the wrong direction and members take it that I am stopping people from walking infront of me.
Seems to me that starting a perfectly innocent subject fast turns into "lets have a go at him "attitude instead of yes I have not liked something as well.
Too many members are only too eager to wreck a perfectly reasonable thread and can't bring anything related to the original posting.
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" it's you who's in the wrong by trying to deny them that access." unquote
not denying access to anyone, so please don't take that attitude. Obviously this thread is going in the wrong direction and members take it that I am stopping people from walking infront of me.
Seems to me that starting a perfectly innocent subject fast turns into "lets have a go at him "attitude instead of yes I have not liked something as well.
Too many members are only too eager to wreck a perfectly reasonable thread and can't bring anything related to the original posting.
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Runners are always handy to direct 'traffic'. I was watching the filming of the cafe down in Weston super mare on the sea front and they had a very good crew working. " please feel free to walk past, but please don't stop and stare" . They were also directing people around the equipment.
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I don't do video but I have certainly had my share of people walking/standing/pushing in front of me when trying to take photos, in some instances it's downright rudeness but in most cases it's just not really being aware enough for brain to communicate with limbs in time ... result often being sudden late realisation and smile/frown/dance/whatever immediately in front of camera.
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If I saw somebody filming something, I would not walk in front of the filming scene. I would politely walk behind the scene, I would then have a good nose to see what was so interesting, then maybe I could get a cheeky sneaky shot also.
But if you are doing long video clips, it would be difficult to have access to a public space for a good length of time. Maybe better to do smaller clips, then edit out the scenes that have been ruined by passers by walking into scene.
But if you are doing long video clips, it would be difficult to have access to a public space for a good length of time. Maybe better to do smaller clips, then edit out the scenes that have been ruined by passers by walking into scene.
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I'm sorry, but you started the thread with that energy by having a moan. If people don't think you have anything real to moan about and don't agree with you you don't really have a case to throw a mini hissy fit.
Perhaps the person who walked in front had something more important on their mind and didn't really notice you. They may also not have realised you were filming. Don't be so quick to think the worst.
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Typical of the overdefensive to selectively quote!
it could be said that it's you who's in the wrong by trying to deny them that access.
is the fuller quote and the words you (? deliberately ?) left out make a world of difference to the meaning and intent of my post.
I'm one of the few who stop and wait for people taking pictures, even if they're using "just" a mobile phone - common decency, however, when people are spending an age, or shooting video, it IS my right to walk through - not to deliberately spoil their shot but to get where I'm going. Video is (to me) a way of recording what's going on - people walking through is a fact of life, so live with it!
Maybe you aren't stopping people from walking in front of you but it's fairly clear that you'd like to. How long a shot are we talking about? 30 seconds? A minute or more? Maybe you could look both ways to make sure there are no people coming before starting the shot?
Runners are the underpaid/not paid junior staff who do everything. Stop people getting in shot, hold reflectors, get the bacon sarnies etc.
They do it to get into the industry.
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You are missing what I said. There I am like any photographer taking pictures except with a camcorder, not an out and out professional doing a film shoot.
So have no idea where your thought process came from.
As an example I was in the Alcatraz exercise yard with plenty of room behind me, yet this numpty clearly seeing I was using my camcorder still walked right infront of me no further than 5 yards away. He was also carrying a DSLR so aware of what he was doing as he looked right at me, he could have easily walked behind me but no right infront.
Surely I can't be the only one this has happened to, others on here must have a pet moan about when they are taking photographs or perhaps no one does video work?
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You are missing what I said. There I am like any photographer taking pictures except with a camcorder, not an out and out professional doing a film shoot.
So have no idea where your thought process came from.
As an example I was in the Alcatraz exercise yard with plenty of room behind me, yet this numpty clearly seeing I was using my camcorder still walked right infront of me no further than 5 yards away. He was also carrying a DSLR so aware of what he was doing as he looked right at me, he could have easily walked behind me but no right infront.
Surely I can't be the only one this has happened to, others on here must have a pet moan about when they are taking photographs or perhaps no one does video work?
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I did a few home video recordings a good few years ago, this was on my old Mini Dv camcorder. Most of the time people did get out of the way, it was mainly kids that started messing about trying to ruin things.
I find that most of the time now, if I did photos or video while out and about, most people would not want to be on camera.
If somebody did that while I was recording video, if I was sure they did it on purpose I would have to wonder why they did it
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People walking into shot (still or video) is an occupational hazard - but there's very little point in moaning about it
and as to the guy from the TV crew who was constantly in your way - did you stop to consider that you might have been equally constantly in his way, after all the film crew are there to do a job and if you are just an amateur with a camcorder the courteous thing to do is give them the space to do it.
To be honest when you start saying that sort of thing you sound a bit like the sort of uncle bob you get at some weddings who complains about the pro being in his way :shrug:
and as to the guy from the TV crew who was constantly in your way - did you stop to consider that you might have been equally constantly in his way, after all the film crew are there to do a job and if you are just an amateur with a camcorder the courteous thing to do is give them the space to do it.
To be honest when you start saying that sort of thing you sound a bit like the sort of uncle bob you get at some weddings who complains about the pro being in his way :shrug:
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I did a video recording with my old video camera a good few years ago, I had my camera mounted on a tripod and I put a 60min tape in and just let it run. I had all my family over for a BBQ and I was just happy to let the camera run and capture everything.
I remember a noisy low flying plane came overhead, and remembering I was recording video, I knew the plane would ruin the clip. I came out with a whole load of swear words. But I just thought I would simply edit the plane and swear words out.
Looking at the video just a little while ago, I realised I did not actually edit the plane noise out after all, and more funnily I did not edit my swearing out. I am glad I did not edit the video, as it is nice to see my family's reactions to me. It is also a true reflection of what happened on the day
I remember a noisy low flying plane came overhead, and remembering I was recording video, I knew the plane would ruin the clip. I came out with a whole load of swear words. But I just thought I would simply edit the plane and swear words out.
Looking at the video just a little while ago, I realised I did not actually edit the plane noise out after all, and more funnily I did not edit my swearing out. I am glad I did not edit the video, as it is nice to see my family's reactions to me. It is also a true reflection of what happened on the day
If I'm shooting non professional sport, Cricket Rugby or Football, and I'm pitchside, I always say thank you if someone pauses and walks behind me...If they walk infront, I always say something...Like, 'Cheers I missed that shot now' They get the message and more than often than not say sorry. There are some though, that just don't give a hoot and think it is their God Given Right to walk where they like. lolo They dont get many pictures taken of their player..
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Yes some people will take note of the sign and will try and avoid ruining things. While others who see the sign, will go out of their way to disrupt you. A bit like a don't walk on the grass sign
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I was out in the local park yesterday to shoot some wildlife and a guy was filming some birdfeeders for the RSPB. As soon as I saw he was filming I immediately looked for a route around him so as not to disturb the filming but there wasn't another way. I apologised as I went past for getting in his shot, and then realised it was his positioning of the camera that made it unavoidable for me and everybody else, but at least I did try to go round.
He was still in the same place a couple of hours later when I left and there'd been a lot of people passing by but he was still cheerful enough about all the disruptions to his filming.
He was still in the same place a couple of hours later when I left and there'd been a lot of people passing by but he was still cheerful enough about all the disruptions to his filming.
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I can see the point about people thoughtlessly getting in front of the camera when it's obvious you are about to take a shot.
I was about to take a nice shot of the sea at Exmouth recently when two thoughtless cyclists simply rode straight in front of me, when it was sooo obvious I was about to take a shot :bonk:
I was about to take a nice shot of the sea at Exmouth recently when two thoughtless cyclists simply rode straight in front of me, when it was sooo obvious I was about to take a shot :bonk:
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To be fair to the cyclists, it does look like you were standing on the bit of pavement closest to the road, which is the cycle path!
They do look like the chavvy sort that would do it deliberately though. :bonk:
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Nod said:To be fair to the cyclists, it does look like you were standing on the bit of pavement closest to the road, which is the cycle path!
I'm surprised they knew exactly when he was going to press the shutter button. How do we know he was not trying to take their pics on purpose
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At the end of the day were all just plebs, living, working and doing our recreational things in public spaces with every other pleb there is.
If pleb A thinks it can stop pleb B from going or doing what B wants then A Can think again. Unless pleb A has somehow managed to gain control of that space through legal means, then pleb A is transcended to something more than a mere pleb and now has the power to say "OI PLEB, NO!"
If pleb A thinks it can stop pleb B from going or doing what B wants then A Can think again. Unless pleb A has somehow managed to gain control of that space through legal means, then pleb A is transcended to something more than a mere pleb and now has the power to say "OI PLEB, NO!"
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To be fair to the cyclists, it does look like you were standing on the bit of pavement closest to the road, which is the cycle path!
...a quick glance right and left (wherever you are) before you press the shutter and problem solved.....
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Exactly, i can sometimes spend 30 seconds or more setting up a shot or setting my camera with it held up in place, i wouldn't expect every member to public to stop in their tracks and not cross my path, but all i need to do is wait for a quiet moment to press the shutter................ simples
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you approached from a slightly different angle than i was going to... i think yours is funnier
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Really? You expect traffic to stop for you as well if they see you pointing a camera? Would it not make more sense if you let them ride past before trying to take your shot? Why not be more observant and think "There are some cyclists coming.. I'll wait for them to pass". If I was walking past someone taking a shot, and it was obvious, then of course I'd pause in order for them to take the shot, but if I was cycling past, I'm sorry, you can damned well wait.
