My name's dod, I'm a Noinker - or first impressions of the D300

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There, I've said it. I've not made the full trip to the dark side yet though, this is very much an experiment to see how I get on with Nikon as it's about the only brand of camera I haven't used during the last <cough> years. If it helps anyone else having similar thoughts then it might be some use :) Bear in mind these first impressions are comparing it against my usual weapons of choice, a 1D MkII and a 1D MkIII.

So, I picked up a great condition used D300 and 24-120mm lens from "retired" and got a chance to take it out of the packing today, in between appointments.

Attaching the lens the first thing I noticed was you twist it the wrong way to mount it. No big deal but a bit disconcerting at first.

Next, the overall feel of the camera is very good. It feels solid, good weight, the rubberised feel is nice. Not sure about the red "flash" on it, pointless decoration as far as I can see but it doesn't do any harm. It's a bit more angular than the Canons but it still seems to fit the hand nicely. The lack of "vertical" controls is something I couldn't live with though so I suspect when my grip arrives it will feel a lot better. The one thing which is rubbish is the CF card door. It feels like it's been hewn out of an old crisp packet. Pretty poor when you consider the rest of it.

Next the layout. Hmm, there are wheels and buttons EVERYWHERE!! :eek: It looks messy when you compare it to the canon and all those buttons make me wonder about the long term weather proofing on it.

All those buttons do seem to be reasonably well thought out though even though it's going to take a while to get used to "releasing" a wheel to change the focus mode. The joystick type control works well, pretty intuitive, DOF button is in a really sensible place compared to the Canon. Dedicated AF button is nice and chunky, exposure lock's in a good place. Bit confusing to start with trying to find where to adjust metering mode and autofocus configuration but again, that's a lack of familiarity. Changing the image size is a little bit fiddly as well but nothing that won't become second nature given time.

I don't yet like the dual wheel configuration for changing aperture and shutter speed in M. The rear wheel and vertical command dial of the Canon do it better. It just feels slightly clumsy on the Nikon.

Menu system is just that, a menu system. There's no point in saying which one's best as once you get used to it they both do the same thing. They both have a logic behind them, it's just slightly different. Not better, not worse, just different.

Last thing to look at is the initial impression on image quality. I'm impressed. From what I've read the 24-120 isn't one of Nikons best bits of glass but the random test shots I've tried up to now are really encouraging. The shot below is a 100% crop from 120mm, wide open. No processing, just saved to a jpeg from the NEF file.



Right now I've maybe used this camera for about 10 minutes, it's not meant to be anything more than first impressions. I haven't tested or compared how good the metering or autofocus is to my other cameras.

But, I have to say initial thoughts are very favourable. This just might be the start of a new adventure but it's still too early to say ;)
 
Noooooooooooo not another old time Canon user getting dragged to the darkside :D Far too many button for me, guess i'm not clever enough for a Nikon :D
 
haha...I love that about the command-dials - I just could not fathom how to alter shutter-speeds and aperture in M on a Canon...lol

On the pricier models...(err...mine...) those controls are even better laid-out and the CF card door is hewn from granite...
We have some lower-spec Nikons in the cupboard for the orificers to use when I'm away on a job and some troll comes a-visiting...and yes - without the battery-grip they feel horrid.
 
Nikon Rules Supreme....you couldn't have gone wrong with my D1X Dod! ;)
 
Can I have first refusal on your 1D MkIII please :lol: :lol:


I must admit the only times I have tried a Nikon the dials drove me nuts, and it did not give the same feel as I get from mine. Depends what you prefer though :)
 
Ban him :bat:
 
haha...I love that about the command-dials - I just could not fathom how to alter shutter-speeds and aperture in M on a Canon...lol

On the pricier models...(err...mine...) those controls are even better laid-out and the CF card door is hewn from granite...
We have some lower-spec Nikons in the cupboard for the orificers to use when I'm away on a job and some troll comes a-visiting...and yes - without the battery-grip they feel horrid.

The plan is to move to the D3 if I get on with the D300. ;) Right now I'm feeling really meh about Canon. The MkIV looks like a real competitor to the D3 but to my mind it's about £1500 overpriced. That just feels like Canon trying to exploit the brand, and it's customers, and I'm not that loyal to a red stripe :)
 
Desssstiny, Luke....

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(yeah, yeah, i know, but it's still making me laugh...lol)
 
LOL Dod stick with Canon the next 1D body is going to be awesome and they have the best glass.....

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guess i'm not clever enough for a Nikon :D


You might think so.......................I couldn't possibly comment:D

(Especially as I need a lift to Scotland;))
 
someone else that could be making the move from canon to nikon, i wonder what the stats are these days cos i hear of so many pros and consumers making the move from canon.
 
I am with arkady about the command wheels..they are sooooo simple when the camera is at your face you can adjust either, rear one with thumb, front one with forefinger, with both digits being in their natural position on the camera.

I disagree about the cf door itself, thats fine, though I admit I do wonder about the mechanism sometimes, although never actually had a problem on any of the 3 nikons I have owned.


Oh yeah, and when you got dinky hands, you love the feel of non gripped Nikon bodies, they are just spot on ;)

God luck with further investigations and tests Dod, I promise not to be too jealous if/when you move onwards and upwards :p
 
Never mind the new camera, how's the new job! :p


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Canon, Nikon, Pentax or whatever, they all have their faults but the biggest is and always will be the user. Why haven't we got a pot stirring smiley :lol:
 
Attaching the lens the first thing I noticed was you twist it the wrong way to mount it. No big deal but a bit disconcerting at first.

Seriously, that IS the right way. Every Nikon owner knows that:)
 
Looks like you are having fun Dod :D

The switches and dials all over the place might seem odd (they did to me at first) but now I am used to them I can change things around without even looking - either whilst running around or with the camera up to my eye. No need to look at the display for most things.

Without the grip *all* small bodied cameras feel odd! I feel your pain - it was a week before my grip turned up - a frustrating week at that!

PS Top Tip: don't forget to dial in a permanent exposure compensation of -.07 You can do this in the menus then still dial in on the fly comp when shooting, just that your "0" becomes -0.7 even though it will still read 0 in the viewfinder :D Damn groovy thing that is! But it definitely does over expose to my (and most other's) tastes otherwise
 
Dod. If you want a try with some different glass, give me a shout as Nairn isn't far away.

I'm just back home, so have a month to chill out a bit. Literaly, it's bloody freezing here.
 
Looks like you are having fun Dod :D

The switches and dials all over the place might seem odd (they did to me at first) but now I am used to them I can change things around without even looking - either whilst running around or with the camera up to my eye. No need to look at the display for most things.

Without the grip *all* small bodied cameras feel odd! I feel your pain - it was a week before my grip turned up - a frustrating week at that!

PS Top Tip: don't forget to dial in a permanent exposure compensation of -.07 You can do this in the menus then still dial in on the fly comp when shooting, just that your "0" becomes -0.7 even though it will still read 0 in the viewfinder :D Damn groovy thing that is! But it definitely does over expose to my (and most other's) tastes otherwise

Is the d700 the same?
 
PS Top Tip: don't forget to dial in a permanent exposure compensation of -.07 You can do this in the menus then still dial in on the fly comp when shooting, just that your "0" becomes -0.7 even though it will still read 0 in the viewfinder :D Damn groovy thing that is! But it definitely does over expose to my (and most other's) tastes otherwise

My D300 does not over expose (one of the initial batch in the UK), however my D80 did, and that required -0.7.
 
So you can set it in one of the custom functions (if you have a problem) so your base exposure (in the middle) is about what you deem right?
 
PS Top Tip: don't forget to dial in a permanent exposure compensation of -.07

That's interesting. I took a couple of quick shots on a fairly average mid tone scene at lunchtime to test that.

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processed by underexposing by 0.7 in cs3



So looks like mine definitely overexposes a tad. Never mind, the MKII overexposes by about 0.3.

Next gripe though is finding the bloody histogram. Took ages without the manual to realise it was on the controller thing. Any way of getting it to show up immediately you take the shot, a la Canon? :p
 
thanks, one more thing ticked off the list :thumbs:
 
haha...I love that about the command-dials - I just could not fathom how to alter shutter-speeds and aperture in M on a Canon...lol

Every time I pick up a Canon this is the thing that freaks me out soooo much; how can canon users get away without two command dials for aperture and shutter speed!!!!

Do have to agree with Dod about the CF card door - poor compared to the D200's. Vertical controls are much better though thanks to that little toggle thingy.
 
Dod,.......... those pics woods/gate, did you take them in jpg ?,,,,,,I find it looks overexposed when shot in jpg, but not in nef on my D300's, mainly down to the picture control NL, in jpg mode.
 
Every time I pick up a Canon this is the thing that freaks me out soooo much; how can canon users get away without two command dials for aperture and shutter speed!!!!

You use the rear command wheel and the control wheel on top. Using the two cameras side by side there's no doubt for me that the Canon design is better ergonomically. I find on the Nikon I have to move my hand slightly to operate both. It's no big deal anyway though as I hardly ever shoot full manual.

Dod,.......... those pics woods/gate, did you take them in jpg ?,,,,,,I find it looks overexposed when shot in jpg, but not in nef on my D300's, mainly down to the picture control NL, in jpg mode.

Nope, taken in RAW.
 
You use the rear command wheel and the control wheel on top. Using the two cameras side by side there's no doubt for me that the Canon design is better ergonomically. I find on the Nikon I have to move my hand slightly to operate both. It's no big deal anyway though as I hardly ever shoot full manual.

You aint holding it properly :p
 
You use the rear command wheel and the control wheel on top. Using the two cameras side by side there's no doubt for me that the Canon design is better ergonomically...

I know how the Canon is supposed to operate - I just found it impossibly difficult when shooting...

Compared to the infinitely-superior Nikon design...:D
 
I know how the Canon is supposed to operate - I just found it impossibly difficult when shooting...

Compared to the infinitely-superior Nikon design...:D

That's how I'm finding this just now, I'm so used to the Canon that I'm having to think about every change rather than just letting it happen :) Onwards and upwards Rodney :p

I hate to say it though but I'm impressed, this things ****ing all over my MkIII for out of camera sharpness :( Yeah, yeah, I know it's a cat, have to use something for testing though :p

Full frame, no sharpening, touch of levels adjustment


In the garden


100% crop, near enough centre obviously. Noisier than I'd have expected though.
 
I mentioned a mate of mine in another thread, an AP phot who was over here recently.
He used to use Nikons and had to switch when he went to work for AP, as they use Canon - he never got used to the opposite bayonet mount, not the circular command-dial on the rear...
Picked up my D3 and was instantly in love again...after 5 years of Canon-use...

I think if you find something's right for you - whether it be Canon or Nikon, that stays with you, regardless...
I put up with Nikon's poor image-quality and noise levels on the D1x and D2x because I was so happy with the way the camera worked and the fact that even with those shortcomings, I could get the results I needed 90% of the time...
Now the D3 and D3x are here, I have no problems at all - apart from an annoying habit of forgetting that it's set to Continuous AF and watching it slide off the subject to infinity as I try and re-compose...lol
 
Arkady any tips on how to set the AF up? I'll be using my d700 for mostly press kinda work, but that can mean protests / sports / photocalls / gigs.. Just somewhere to start from really! I assume it's exactly the same as the D3?
 
Arkady any tips on how to set the AF up? I'll be using my d700 for mostly press kinda work, but that can mean protests / sports / photocalls / gigs.. Just somewhere to start from really! I assume it's exactly the same as the D3?


Yep... I just use the default settings - though I swaped the number of AF-points to 11 - 51 is far too many for Press work...
On certain things I have used all 51-points, but usually studio/portraits...
 
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