New 300 & 400 F2.8 IS II

Im not convinced personally...the only difference I see is the SWC coating, and if I'm happy with my current 400 then I don't see the necessity in upgrading.

The IS is a waste on my lens anyway as it's permanently off...I'd consider it if they released a non-IS version that was significantly cheaper.
 
I think the 400 being 1.5kg lighter may help somewhat. If image quality is much better then it may be a useful upgrade but I can't see me swapping my 500/4 for the MkII when it comes out. Just too much money
 
grumpybadger said:
I think the 400 being 1.5kg lighter may help somewhat. If image quality is much better then it may be a useful upgrade but I can't see me swapping my 500/4 for the MkII when it comes out. Just too much money
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If it's 1500g lighter, does that mean it's £1500 cheaper?! :D

If I were carrying it for long periods then it might be an issue...it's on a monopod and I don't carry it around. I suspect a number of my colleagues will give it a try and buy one, but the IQ had better be a LOT better for me to consider it.
 
I was just about to order a 300mm F2.8 IS, might wait now to see if the Mk1 reduces in price.
 
bren-escape said:
I was just about to order a 300mm F2.8 IS, might wait now to see if the Mk1 reduces in price.
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Like everyone else in the same situation, once pricing for the new version is announced, remainders of the old ones will probably not be discounted by much at all.
 
Warehouseexpress are listing them as

New 300 at £7499 and current one at £3599.

New 400 at £11499 and current one at £6479.

Yeah right.

Now this did happen with the new 70-200 where they listed it at £2799 as soon as it was announced (i.e. at RRP) but by the time it was shipping it was down to something like £2499. It's currently at £1994.

So I'd expect these to drop quite a lot in price before they are released and to have about a £1500-£2000 premium over the current one for at least a year.

Can't see second hand version of the current ones dropping in price at all.
 
Some of the big agencies may update their long lenses and sell off the old ones, so the second hand market for used older ones is likely to have better availability. They are fairly rare at the moment used, so the prices hold up quite well.

I'd love the weight loss. My Mk1 weighs a ton.
 
bigrob said:
Warehouseexpress are listing them as

New 300 at £7499 and current one at £3599.

New 400 at £11499 and current one at £6479.

Yeah right.

Now this did happen with the new 70-200 where they listed it at £2799 as soon as it was announced (i.e. at RRP) but by the time it was shipping it was down to something like £2499. It's currently at £1994.

So I'd expect these to drop quite a lot in price before they are released and to have about a £1500-£2000 premium over the current one for at least a year.

Can't see second hand version of the current ones dropping in price at all.
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Not in stock though.
 
Bre

Obviously not in stock. That was my point, they get the RRP up straight away, then look and see what other do nearer to the release date.
 
The most interesting lens out of those announced is the 70-300L IS USM. In my eyes this lens is targeting are very specific market and I wouldn't be surprised to see it outsell many of its competitors. I kind of wish I had a Canon camera for this lens alone.
 
What? Those with more money that sense? :p

Seriously though it had better have some seriously better optics to make up for the 1/2-1 stop less light you'd get over a 70-200 f/4 IS and 1.4TC (which would be less money).

My betting is it will be a slightly updated 70-300 IS painted white...
 
Amp34 said:
What? Those with more money that sense? :p

Seriously though it had better have some seriously better optics to make up for the 1/2-1 stop less light you'd get over a 70-200 f/4 IS and 1.4TC (which would be less money).

My betting is it will be a slightly updated 70-300 IS painted white...
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Your missing the point of the lens. It may not suit your working conditions but it can others. Simple as that really.
 
King_Boru said:
The most interesting lens out of those announced is the 70-300L IS USM. In my eyes this lens is targeting are very specific market and I wouldn't be surprised to see it outsell many of its competitors. I kind of wish I had a Canon camera for this lens alone.
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What specific market do you think this would target? I am interested in this as I don't think many would give up their 70-200 for the extra 100mm at a variable aperture. Similarly, I am sure that the 100-400 brigade wouldn't consider it. I see this as a rather in between uncomfortably placed lens.

Perhaps that says more about me though :shrug:
 
King_Boru said:
Your missing the point of the lens. It may not suit your working conditions but it can others. Simple as that really.
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What point?

Most of my shots are travel photo style shots, I need light, small well built equipment for most of my shooting, is that not what this lens was designed for?

In fact I had an agonising decision a couple of months ago over whether to get the current 70-300 IS or the 70-200 f/4. I chose the latter because the size difference was negligable yet the IQ and extra light was more important. Stick a 1.4TC on it and you have the 70-300 with a similar size and a better overall package.

I'll take it all back if the IQ turns out to be stunning and the focusing is a damn sight faster than the current one, but I'm guessing it's probably not going to be. A 70-200 f/4 IS and 1.4TC will still probably be a better package, similar size, cheaper and faster AF and more light...

EDIT: However if Canon sorted it so it was a constant f/4 to 200mm (think it goes to f/4.5 at 100mm and f/5 at around 190mm at the moment) then that may definately be a hit as that would be very comparable to the 70-200 and a 1.4TC, not sure if that would be possible though...
 
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Amp34 said:
What point?

Most of my shots are travel photo style shots, I need light, small well built equipment for most of my shooting, is that not what this lens was designed for?

In fact I had an agonising decision a couple of months ago over whether to get the current 70-300 IS or the 70-200 f/4. I chose the latter because the size difference was negligable yet the IQ and extra light was more important. Stick a 1.4TC on it and you have the 70-300 with a similar size and a better overall package.

I'll take it all back if the IQ turns out to be stunning and the focusing is a damn sight faster than the current one, but I'm guessing it's probably not going to be. A 70-200 f/4 IS and 1.4TC will still probably be a better package, similar size, cheaper and faster AF and more light...

EDIT: However if Canon sorted it so it was a constant f/4 to 200mm (think it goes to f/4.5 at 100mm and f/5 at around 190mm at the moment) then that may definately be a hit as that would be very comparable to the 70-200 and a 1.4TC, not sure if that would be possible though...
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Prepare to take it all back ;)

I think that new lens will be a very big seller when the price settles. I think the ancient 100-400L will be hardest hit, plus it will steal sales from the current 70-300, and probaly the 70-200 range as well.

Though having said that, I don't see many existing owners of those lenses with a desperate need to change. Myself included. But that is the most popular focal length sector, and Canon alone has more than half a dozen options around that mark. Now they have capped it with a real corker IMHO, the like of which Nikon cannot match.

For folks that maybe choose their camera brand because of the lens options, as I kinda did myself, then Nikon have just been dealt a sizeable blow. And those new long primes will turn a few pro's heads.
 
Amp34 said:
What? Those with more money that sense? :p

Seriously though it had better have some seriously better optics to make up for the 1/2-1 stop less light you'd get over a 70-200 f/4 IS and 1.4TC (which would be less money).

My betting is it will be a slightly updated 70-300 IS painted white...
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I think your right about this as it has a filter size of 67mm all mine have 77mm
is it worth it, not for me
 
Yes it should have been 100-300/4L IS.. but let's see. The MTF charts promise something better than the old 70-300 (which has disappeared from Canon's website btw) and of course the AF will be better (micro vs ring usm) and there's some snakeoil coatings ;)

Don't really agree about the 100-400 getting hit really bad, those who want a cheap 300/5.6 have gotten the old 70-300 or 70-200/4 + TC but if you need 400mm very few people want to have it without AF. That's why if this was a constant f/4 lens it would have KILLED the 100-400. The wait for the non-DO 400/4 continues :D
 
vaizki said:
Yes it should have been 100-300/4L IS.. but let's see. The MTF charts promise something better than the old 70-300 (which has disappeared from Canon's website btw) and of course the AF will be better (micro vs ring usm) and there's some snakeoil coatings ;)

Don't really agree about the 100-400 getting hit really bad, those who want a cheap 300/5.6 have gotten the old 70-300 or 70-200/4 + TC but if you need 400mm very few people want to have it without AF. That's why if this was a constant f/4 lens it would have KILLED the 100-400. The wait for the non-DO 400/4 continues :D
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But at a constant f/4 it would be huge, weigh a lot more, cost a lot more, and not perform as well. This lens is aimed at high-end consumer buyers, perfect match for a 7D and with so much versatility.

I'm not sure which lenses from the current range will be hit, probably a bit of each, but I'm pretty sure this lens will sell a lot!
 
To change the topic a bit.

I am looking forward to seeing test results of the current (i.e. 300 & 400 F2.8 ID Mk Is) using the new 1.4 and 2 extenders.
 
bigrob said:
To change the topic a bit.

I am looking forward to seeing test results of the current (i.e. 300 & 400 F2.8 ID Mk Is) using the new 1.4 and 2 extenders.
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I wouldn't expect miracles. The performance is mainly down to the mother lens.
 
HoppyUK said:
But at a constant f/4 it would be huge, weigh a lot more, cost a lot more, and not perform as well. This lens is aimed at high-end consumer buyers, perfect match for a 7D and with so much versatility.
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Well it would probably be about the same size as my 70-200/2.8L IS II + 1.4x :) And take my 77mm filters! Btw, has anyone seen confirmation whether it's an constant length when zooming & internal focus? That would be a clear plus and would make sense for the weather sealing.. but it's probably not because you can see the thinner black bit... internal barrel?

But we digress seriously.. this is the 300 & 400mm thread :coat:
 
vaizki said:
Well it would probably be about the same size as my 70-200/2.8L IS II + 1.4x :) And take my 77mm filters! Btw, has anyone seen confirmation whether it's an constant length when zooming & internal focus? That would be a clear plus and would make sense for the weather sealing.. but it's probably not because you can see the thinner black bit... internal barrel?

But we digress seriously.. this is the 300 & 400mm thread :coat:
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Yes, but digressing again, I'm kind of assuming that the 70-300L barrel extends. Probably a lot. Can't confirm that though :thinking:

It looks like it does, it should for the focal length, and I'd be amazed if it didn't. However :shrug:
 
bigrob said:
Warehouseexpress are listing them as

New 300 at £7499 and current one at £3599.

New 400 at £11499 and current one at £6479.

Yeah right.

Now this did happen with the new 70-200 where they listed it at £2799 as soon as it was announced (i.e. at RRP) but by the time it was shipping it was down to something like £2499. It's currently at £1994.

So I'd expect these to drop quite a lot in price before they are released and to have about a £1500-£2000 premium over the current one for at least a year.

Can't see second hand version of the current ones dropping in price at all.
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This morning they have dropped it to £3594, but still no stock

http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy...8_1282909791_7ef5892730197a12ae4e757dc7948d48
 
bigrob said:
Can't see second hand version of the current ones dropping in price at all.
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Nor me, when they get a bit thin on the ground they might even go up a bit, who knows? I dont see any cheap 70-200's going to cheap and the mk2's have been out for a bit now. Think ile be sticking with my mk1 300 and 500 for a long time.
 
 
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