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Rumours are Canon are to announce the 1DmkIV on 20th October. It is also reported this will be the last 1D series body with a new "pro" series body to succeed in the future.
 
snapzz said:
The mount on the MKIV is alledged to be APS-H (1.3x Crop) sensor with very high ISO, probably as high as ISO 102,400.
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Did you get that from here by any chance? It's looking good... I'm already preparing my plea with the bank manager :LOL: Release don't seem like it will be until 2010 though still..
 
I think where getting to the stage where each new release is offering less actual improvements though and wonder if we will get to the position we were in film days where the lifecycle of a pro body was probably 8-10 years rather than the current 3. Although the high ISO will be useful, I still find I'm not missing it on most of my stuff.

The cost of camera bodies has gone through the roof and the depreciation is massive. I bought a used 1DsII at the weekend for £1000. It would have been nearly £5000 new and was probably only 4 years old. Its therefore depreciated £1000 per year. It's fine for a working pro but for many hobbyists, I think we are getting to the world of diminishing returns. Back in the days that an EOS-1v was £1500 and lasted 8 years, camera depreciation was only £200 per year.

I also find it bizarre that there is a lot less interest in glass than cameras now. The number of 5DII or similar I've seen with relatively humble lenses on them still confuses me.

I was going to wait for the 1DIV but the 7D has convinced me to stay with my 1DsII and it for the time being. For what I want, I'd rather spend the £4k on getting better photo opportunities.
 
This one better work otherwise Canon are absolutely screwed. They have already lost shed loads of photographers to the D3 if there is the slightest hint of any 1dmk3-esque issues then Canon are toast.
 
grumpybadger said:
Back in the days that an EOS-1v was £1500 and lasted 8 years, camera depreciation was only £200 per year.
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Interesting point, although the bodies do do considerably more now (no film for a start) AND inflation will contributed to prices significantly since then.
 
snapzz said:
Rumours are Canon are to announce the 1DmkIV on 20th October. It is also reported this will be the last 1D series body with a new "pro" series body to succeed in the future.
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I took it that there wouldn't be sub models of the 1D line. Currently there is the x1.3 crop faster FPS 1D for sports and the full frame, slower fps 1Ds for studios. The next generation 1D Mk V would be a single model camera.
 
andrewc said:
I took it that there wouldn't be sub models of the 1D line. Currently there is the x1.3 crop faster FPS 1D for sports and the full frame, slower fps 1Ds for studios. The next generation 1D Mk V would be a single model camera.
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I've just been reading about the possibilities of a 3D of some kind... aimed purely at sports! So possibly lower MP but higher FPS than a full on 1D5? Still splitting the same line effectively!
 
The rumours are that its coming in time for either the World Cup or the Winter Olympics or some even say the 2012 Olympics! Knowing Canon, it will be timed so that one of those world showcase events has pros armed with the latest piece of Canon hardware.

What will it be? Loads of guesses are out there, I'm fairly confident in saying it will be very, very impressive because if it isn't Nikon will lay claim to the remaining turf that Canon haven't already lost.

Its **** or bust time for Canon and I have a feeling they will deliver if we look to the 7D as a taster (and for sure thats what it is).

My prediction is that it will be everything the D3s is in terms of AF and high ISO plus 18mp and 9 or 10fps in APS-H format. That would do to win things over for sports/action togs.

Providing of course Nikon don't release the D4 in a spoiling attack or something else, they probably are in a position to do so if Canon don't get it out in 2010.
 
A Fw of points raise here are:

1. Rumours of a single pro spec camera have been rife for the past few years. This is supposed to take over from the 1d & 1Ds range. Suggestions (or rumours) are full frame or x1.3 with high fps for sports.

2. True to form will be Canon release in time for next big sports event.

3. Many sports shooters have now shifted to Nikon and more expected to follow. Canon have for many years nailed this market but with the MK3 problems and Nikons latest offering it is much more evenly split.

4. I was expecting a MK3n release but have been told Canon are trying move away from updates and concentrate on new releases.

I suppose at this point all we can do is wait and see and watchout for independant test results.
 
I will go for a mk4 straight away if the iso is anywhere near suggested.. Would be worth it just for that.. stick 2mb on top of the 10mb it has now and bonus :)
 
purpleclouds said:
I've just been reading about the possibilities of a 3D of some kind... aimed purely at sports! So possibly lower MP but higher FPS than a full on 1D5? Still splitting the same line effectively!
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3D has been rumoured for years and hasn't (yet) appeared. A lot of that rumour is probably based on the excellent EOS-3 film camera (a kind of EOS-1 light)

Could see the 1Ds series becoming the 1 series and the 1D series morphing into a 3 but probably not before about 2013 at this rate.
 
grumpybadger said:
3D has been rumoured for years and hasn't (yet) appeared. A lot of that rumour is probably based on the excellent EOS-3 film camera (a kind of EOS-1 light)

Could see the 1Ds series becoming the 1 series and the 1D series morphing into a 3 but probably not before about 2013 at this rate.
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Naturally it isn't going to happen in this lifecycle, and with a 3 year life cycle that sounds like the earliest it'd ever happen...
 
inkiboo said:
This one better work otherwise Canon are absolutely screwed. They have already lost shed loads of photographers to the D3 if there is the slightest hint of any 1dmk3-esque issues then Canon are toast.
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I coundn't agree more. I've just seen the specifications of the Nikon D3S. If Canon don't get a move on they're going to get totally thrashed.
 
Probably showing my ignorance here, but I thought that all the issues with the 1D III had now been resolved? If that is the case, then for enthusiasts like me the 1D III would be an economic option for improvement rather than the more expensive route of purchasing a new 1D IV.
 
For many people the announcement of the 1D IV will be academic, they can't afford one or can't justify one. However, I am sure many 1D II, IIn and III models will reach the secondhand market as people relegate their prime camera to backup status or 2nd body status, and may have to off load a body.

So, once the 1D4 hits the streets, expect the number of used 1D3s and 1D2s to increase as well.
 
There'll certainly be some secondhand bargains in time. I'm still amazed by prices attracted by the MkII models now:

1DsII - 17Mpx, 45 point AF - £1000
1DII - 8Mpx, 8fps - £600

They're still a lot of camera for not much money. I'd expect 1DIII to drop below £1500 fairly quickly and come the 1DsIV, the 1DsIII will be just over £2000.

I think the point for a hobbiest will be which is better value?

1DII with 8Mbpx, 8fps for £500 (by then), 1DIII with 25% more pixels, 25% more fps, <half a stop better noise performance for £1500 or a 1DIV with (probably) a further 60% more pixels, 20% more fps and maybe a 2 stop better noise performance for £4000.

I know the high end noise stuff can be important if shooting sports or a wedding and you have to nail the shot but generally for wildlife stuff, if the light is bad, its not a good picture. Anything over about ISO800 rarely gets an image I want to keep due to poor lighting.

I went through the same when buying a second 1DsII recently.

1DsII for £1000 or 1DsIII with 25% more pixels, 25% more fps for 3 times the price. I already think we are in the world of diminishing returns...
 
A good point raised Paul! As a wedding and sports photographer the high ISO is absolutely necessary for myself, and have only been put off buying a 5DII (and to a lesser extent, 7D) by the lower build quality, af performance, weather proofing etc..

The 1D II just doesn't cut the mustard anymore :(
 
andrewc said:
For many people the announcement of the 1D IV will be academic, they can't afford one or can't justify one. However, I am sure many 1D II, IIn and III models will reach the secondhand market as people relegate their prime camera to backup status or 2nd body status, and may have to off load a body..
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Very true.. I ahve two MKIIIs so the first thing I need to do is sell one of them to offset the cost of the mk4 then eventualy sell the other... I ahd 2 mkIIs and 2 mkIIIs so it follows that eventually i will have 2 mk4s :)
 
Can't believe this has went quiet already.

I'd almost put the house on it that there won't be any of the problems that some of the MkIII's seemed to have. Can't wait to see an official spec, if it really has ISO 102400 you'd have to expect usable day to day stuff at 6400, maybe even 12800. Brilliant for a lot of my stuff :)
 
I'm keen on getting a 1DIV as well, but will wait a while for the dust to settle after the initial launch and maybe hire one a few times (got the Investec rugby coming up in November) to see how it performs.

However, I'm still very impressed with my 1DIII - I'd like a bit better high ISO performance but it's bloody amazing, and when I played with a 7D the other day it felt like a toy by comparison.
 
Im finally starting to get the best out of my MKIII so will be very happy if they bring out a MKIV with improved AF & AI Servo, and of course better high ISO performance :D
 
dod said:
I'd almost put the house on it that there won't be any of the problems that some of the MkIII's seemed to have.
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Canon *have* put their house on it (y)
 
purpleclouds said:
As a wedding and sports photographer the high ISO is absolutely necessary...only been put off...a 5DII (and to a lesser extent, 7D) by the lower build quality, af performance, weather proofing etc..
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Would the 7D be so bad against that list?
 
These rumours have been running for months on POTN forum, and all this if and buts have been posted, but as normal NOBODY knows or can tells us what canon will launch until the official release.

The real worry is going to be the price, the general of opinion is that it is going to be very expensive at the £4000 to £4500 range for a IV and much more for the IVs .We must remember the £ is very weak a the moment.

Now I'll say what I think will happen in time.

There will always be a 1 series body, but not an S version, I don't think the race will be the MK V or the D4 but who will have the first digital Medium format camera Canon or Nikon. I see no point of going above Canons 21mp sensor in a the current bodies, I hear other manufacturers are going to do a digital MF very soon and believe this is the way the very top models from Canon and Nikon will go.

Action Sports and reportage photographers just don't need that size of sensor and studio togs would like to have MF, the S version now just looks to be a stop gap before a MF camera is released.
 
I always thought the idea of the 1DS and D3X was to offer 90% of what MF could do for a fraction of the price?

Everyone on here always looks at those two cameras in a rather cockeyed way, they aren't a very expensive version of most of the kit we all play with, they are a cheap form of kit for the serious, serious studio photographer.

I can't see Canon or Nikon wandering into the specialised game of MF, just think of the investment and market potential to develop completely new format bodies AND glass! A very iffy financial proposition IMHO.
 
I'd be surprised if either Canon or Nikon go MF I have to say. They didn't in the days of film and they don't need to know. If you're going to invest in a whole raft of new optics, why not pick an established range instead.

You've got Leica with its larger sensor S2 and Hasselblad (and the likes of PhaseOne) tackling the higher end market. I can't see that changing.

I'm also not sure why you think 21Mpx is enough. Is that based on any science. The D3x and A900 produce stunning images at 24Mpx and, coupled with top end glass, my 7D excellent. If you scale up a 7D sensor to FF, you get 46Mpx. I reckon there's still room to go in the FF format and we will see 1DsIV and D4x in time with >30 Mpx and good results.
 
While it's an interesting thought about Canon and Nikon going to MF for the top-of-the-range bodies, I can't see it happening. They've already got a huge line-up of professional-grade EF lenses, all of which I think would have to be re-designed to create a larger image circle etc?

Edit: Actually thinking about it, if the sensor was sat further back in the camera body, could a larger sensor be used? Or does it not work like that?
 
Someone's been testing the Canon 1D Mark IV already.

Here are the Canon 1D Mark IV specs:
* 1.3 crop
* Images ~16MP
* ISO 50-26500
* 8MP sRAW1 format providing images that seem to best 1D3 files in detail [typo corrected]
* Very clean images at ISO 3200. 6400/12800 take further processing very well
* Slightly faster FPS than 1D3 in real life shooting
* AF greatly improved and very good in low light (actual comment was ‘Nikon fast’ ;-)
* Liveview AF – not up to fast sports use, but very usable otherwise
* Video as with 5D2
* Screen as per 5D2
* Ergonomic improvements with grips – some buttons moved
* Feels faster and more responsive in nearly all aspects of real use.

what do you guys think of the specs?
 
inkiboo said:
This one better work otherwise Canon are absolutely screwed. They have already lost shed loads of photographers to the D3 if there is the slightest hint of any 1dmk3-esque issues then Canon are toast.
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Indeed. Price tag will be another crux, if it exceeds a D3s price tag by too much they'll hardly win back any custom IMO.
 
pearce_jj said:
Would the 7D be so bad against that list?
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As a pro wedding/sports photographer, yes! Weather sealing and AF are absolutely vital, neither of which I don't think the 7D comes anywhere near close to the 1D series. (Haven't tried a 7D for AF, but it's nothing ground breaking from what I've read)
 
One thing I'd like to see is the joystick repositioned to allow it to be used in landscape and portrait orientations. Don't know how easy, or practical, that would be with the current layout though.
 
cassio said:
Someone's been testing the Canon 1D Mark IV already.

Here are the Canon 1D Mark IV specs:
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* 1.3 crop
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http://canon1dmarkivrelease.blogspot.com/2009/10/canon-1d-mark-iv-being-tested-specs.html

"Someone has been testing the Canon 1D Mark IV already...Here's the scoop from photographybay.com" =>
http://www.photographybay.com/2009/06/19/canon-1d-mark-iv-being-tested-specs-revealed/

"Northlight Images got a tip from a supposed tester of the Canon 1D Mark IV who had a lot of good things to say about the new camera. Along with the tip that the camera is out in the wild comes some news of specs. No word on how reliable this info is, but here’s the specs..." =>
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_1D_MkIV.html

Key changes include

ISO to 102400
Raw buffer to 48 images
Sensor cleaning
720/24 video
New 1.2x crop mode
 
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