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IMHO, if you have nothing to do with publishing, the D810
is the far better choice.
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The D810 is a fantastic camera. What do you want/need the D850 for. I havent used mine a great deal just yet but will do so over the next few weeks.
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If I had the money I'd buy the D850 in a heartbeat. Why? Because I shoot a bit of everything and the D850 is now probably the best allrounder on the market. High MP for when I shoot wildlife and need to crop, and the choice of 25mp when I don't. Large dynamic range and tilt screen for when I shoot landscapes. Decent frame rate and buffer for when I shoot sports. The frame rate and lack of tilt screen were the reasons I chose the D750 over the D810 when I was deciding 3 years ago, now other than the price and bit of weight saving the D750 doesn't offer any benefits over the D850 so it'd be a no brainer for me.
If you don't need the frame rate and buffer, tilt screen and improved AF though then save your money and get the D810, those are the only real advantages of the D850 over the D810 that I can see.
If you don't need the frame rate and buffer, tilt screen and improved AF though then save your money and get the D810, those are the only real advantages of the D850 over the D810 that I can see.
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I have the D850 and still getting used to it but what i can tell so far is fantastic ability in RAW to edit exposure, controls nicely laid out, auto focus is up with the best of them and mostly importantly it breeds camera envy in other users 
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Just the post I needed to see as a d750 owner looking for suibtale reasons
I mainly shoot bands in low light. What’s the d850 like with the lights off? And what’s the noise like at 6400 +?
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There, you got the reason NOT to!
All the bands and events in similar low light conditions
I shoot with the D3S preferably… a monster in the dark
with its ginormous sencels. I carry the D3X as back up.
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I would say the D850 is marginally better at higher ISO but not much in it however the noise seems to clean up better after a little noise reduction. My first test shots were head shots of my dogs at ISO 12800 and they are very useable after a little run through noise reduction.
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I can’t comment really as I haven’t shot with the D850. Looking at studio shots though the D850 is only marginally worse than the D750 so I’d imagine after downsampling the D850 would match or even surpass the D750. What medium do you view on?
How do they compare once you down sample the D850 to match the MP of the D3S?There, you got the reason NOT to!
All the bands and events in similar low light conditions
I shoot with the D3S preferably… a monster in the dark
with its ginormous sencels. I carry the D3X as back up.
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The low light specialist will render better in the low keys
where the sencel count is irrelevant as there a much fewer
details to be read and waaaay less shades in the blacks…
this relates to no chrominance renditions. With it, the dark
tones are always noisier hinting at some details in a poorer
colour content.
And there is always the focus — blur — issues that the D3S
copes better with…
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Interesting, I'd have thought the D850 would focus better than the D3S?
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So what are the focus issues that you refer to in your previous post?
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Because of the sencel density, the D8xx will "see" more
details but the rendition is kind of muddy.
I just checked… the only shots in my image bank are with
the D3's and the D8xx that were tested ended in the bin.
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I'm surprised by that as the D850 images I've seen have been sharp as a sharp thing. I have heard a few people say they prefer the output from these older 'low' MP cameras though.Because of the sencel density, the D8xx will "see" more
details but the rendition is kind of muddy.
I just checked… the only shots in my image bank are with
the D3's and the D8xx that were tested ended in the bin.
From the D3's…
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Right… in the proper conditions.
The two posted pictures were @ 6400 ISO, ƒ 3.5 and 1/80 s for the first
and 1/40 s… both hand held with the D3S.
You certainly heard/ read that focus is critical with higher sencel counts!
It's important to remember, the D850 will need the very best glass and the depth of focus has often a very narrow margin where it's razor sharp and this can make the slighty less than sharp areas seem soft, obviously this is relative but I've found with my d810 even that it takes extra effort and forethought to get the absolute best
results.
In a similar vain to what Mr Kodiak says I still really rate the images from my old D3 I miss it and wish I still owned one(perhaps a secondhand D3s will find it's way to me, the tricky part is finding one which hasn't been treated like an un-wanted child, lol).
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Very surprising.... it may be worth looking at a d3s as a 2nd body and keeping my d750 as my main shooter....
I’ve posted some shots from the d750 below that are all music related.... I guess the only reason I’d be looking at the 850 is better performance at higher iso....
Kodiak - what ISO were those two shots at buddy?
https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/music-photography-best-of-2017.669727/#post-8038807
I’ve posted some shots from the d750 below that are all music related.... I guess the only reason I’d be looking at the 850 is better performance at higher iso....
Kodiak - what ISO were those two shots at buddy?
https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/music-photography-best-of-2017.669727/#post-8038807
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See post #17!
The equation is simple.
- For plenty of details, one needs a higher sencel count.
- In lower light, the bigger sencel is a plus.
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See post #17!
The equation is simple.
- For plenty of details, one needs a higher sencel count.
- In lower light, the bigger sencel is a plus.
What the hell is a sencel? I think you mean pixel or sensor
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D850 chip is different from many chips in that each pixel is a dual gain design, worth reading https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d850/9
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Right, I mean both!
Sencel stands for sensor cell and is in no way referring
or to be associated to a pixel which is a "graphic" unit.
A sensor cell is the unit describing a chip and its quantity
expresses the chip's density; as a pixel is a unit of density
"per inch" in graphic and printing.
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I know, it was new to me as well some months ago. Up
until the purchase of the D810, I was talking in terms of
pixels … like everybody else. Now, I bought the D850 a
few weeks ago and I noted I changed gradually to sencel.
I attended — and covered — a conference on graphic arts
that explained the why and how of many things and the use
of the term pixel was among the explained notions and why
a better "technical appellation" should be considered.
Having a scientific education, I was critical at first — I am,
like many, resilient to change things I thought I knew — but
it made so much sense that I have corrected my vocabulary
and adopted the definition gradually.
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So it is not a real term then, as in it is not a generally accepted term
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It is a "real term" accepted in given milieu as it is normally
with new terminology… but you're right, hold habits are
tenacious.
Like the word "rendition" in the beginning! Folks used to say
that a shot was over/underexposed and these two characte-
ristics — properly used in film vocabulary — are irrelevant
in digital processing since the DR range is much more exten-
ded in the later.
I suppose we all, when it comes to new technologies, use
familiar words to help us have a quicker grasp… which will
be corrected down the line.
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I suppose we all, when it comes to new technologies, use
familiar words to help us have a quicker grasp… which will
be corrected down the line.
Or people make up new nonsense that is quickly forgotten, goes both ways
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I had, as for many things, to have this translated so to get
a better understanding… do you mean I cooked that up?
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No, not you, the people at the conference
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Thanks for the clarification. Mike!
Thirteen simultaneous conferences were scheduled around the
world on the same topic but in different languages and cultures
that weekend, and eighteen more in the weeks to come.
I understand the need for terminology clarification as things are
developing waaaay too fast.
Some days ago, on a call with a friend at the uni, I was confirmed
that sencel was adopted unanimously by all participating members.
So I guess it will spread more and more in the next future as many
specialists and literature writers will be using it.
At this point, sencel describes the smallest element of a sensor, a
cell. The moment a RAW file is converted to an image — whatever
the graphic format — it is then expressed in pixel / density, read
300 ppi for example.
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