it is but Manuel focus has been used for years with thin dof shots with no issues, it is still achievable with practice.
Is it really "cannibalising" anything though ... does it really matter to Nikon and Canon (bottom line) if the ILC (Interchangeable Lens Camera) sold is mirrorless or dSLR. It always strikes me as strange that we (as consumers) still worry about this distinction. For example - I prefer my ILC with a mirror box and pentaprism because I find the compromise with mirrorless (the EVF primarily) to outweigh the advantages. Other people prefer their ILC to be mirrorless because they feel the advantages of mirrorless over dSLR to outweigh the advantages. But both are designed to do the same job at the end of the day ... just one person prefers one over the other and while I prefer dSLR I don't think anyone is "wrong" in liking a mirrorless.
Don't forget though that older cameras were designed with manual focusing in mind, when AF came along (and especially in modern digital) focus aids such as split prisms in the view finder were dropped and seen as no longer required.
+1
But it could alienate you as a dslr user who maybe in 4 years time wish to upgrade your dslr to another one but it wont exist anymore(possibly) so you are stuck with changing to mirrorless.
I have been saying this for years, DSLR technology is old.... it will go the same way the old Film camera's went..... and that is, it will eventually become a minority user base, its only a question of when.
I hate to say it but the way trends are going all stand alone cameras will go the way of the dodoI have been saying this for years, DSLR technology is old.... it will go the same way the old Film camera's went..... and that is, it will eventually become a minority user base, its only a question of when.
You could be rightI hate to say it but the way trends are going all stand alone cameras will go the way of the dodo
not for pro or enthusiast.I hate to say it but the way trends are going all stand alone cameras will go the way of the dodo
I didn't talk about phones. I think it will be a small market segment using high end cameras like large format film now, and pro use might just be from video screen capture or possibly from satellite
who knows.
its only sony that updates every 4 weeks
I think bigger gaps make more sense, we really could get real upgrades then rather than the little changes we have now
I find all the 24 meg sensors much of a muchness all the dxo scores are very similar, certainly within the margin of testing error.I haven't used a Nikon D750 so can't comment too much, however from what I have seen online, the Sony A7 III's 24mp BSI sensor is now the leader of the pack out of the 24mp lot.
Remember Sony Imaging and Nikon are both CUSTOMERS for Sony Semiconductors. If Nikon is continuing using Sony sensors (and the D850 it appears is from TowerJazz and the Nikon 1 sensors were mostly Nikon in-house designs) then Sony Semiconductors isn't going to p*** off its biggest large format customer - Nikon still have a bigger market share than Sony Imaging.As for Nikon’s new sensor? It will be Sony’s old tech a bit like the better F1 teams selling last years tech to Force India.
Yes that is a possibility... but I don't see dSLR going away until sales are down to only a few percentage. Remember Nikon is the company who still (at least until very recently if its now discontinued I'm unsure) sell a film camera...
And if you can get the shot done easier then why go for the harder route just for the sake of it?Yes manual focus has been about for years and yes you can focus and recompose and the shot may well look ok but these days there's a tendency to pixel peep and if you look closely at shots taken at wider apertures by focusing and recomposing suddenly it doesn't look so good and no you can't focus and recompose and get results that stand up to close inspection consistently with practice. Well, with a 17-35mm lens at f8 you can but try it with a 85mm at f1.4 and you can't.
Yes you can hide focus errors or questionable technique with deeper depth of field and say that thin dof is the preserve of gear freaks and bokeh nerds but that's a different argument
Sony semi conductor and Sony imaging both start with Sony
But they are separate companies and Sony Semi-conductor's responsibility is to get the most customers - which is why they sell sensors to Samsung for their phones as well as using them in their own phones. And equally why Samsung buy sensors from Sony as well as using sensors manufactured by Samsung!Sony semi conductor and Sony imaging both start with Sony
sorry this is not true, large format film cameras get really thin dof in perfect focus. you can enlarge bigger without image "breaking down" but not on a runner for exampleYes manual focus has been about for years and yes you can focus and recompose and the shot may well look ok but these days there's a tendency to pixel peep and if you look closely at shots taken at wider apertures by focusing and recomposing suddenly it doesn't look so good and no you can't focus and recompose and get results that stand up to close inspection consistently with practice. Well, with a 17-35mm lens at f8 you can but try it with a 85mm at f1.4 and you can't.
Yes you can hide focus errors or questionable technique with deeper depth of field and say that thin dof is the preserve of gear freaks and bokeh nerds but that's a different argument
but that's taking the thread off course so will leave it there.
This is true however Sony Digital Imaging do get exclusivity in some area's of the sensors that Sony Semi Conductors produce.
sorry this is not true, large format film cameras get really thin dof in perfect focus. you can enlarge bigger without image "breaking down" but not on a runner for example
yup exactly and it goes to the same analogy of F1 teams supplying engines.
But it’s still Sony controlled by one HQ and like the dslr market Sony don’t have a relevant foothold in the phone market. But they ‘own’ the mirrorless market so it will be interesting to see if they are willing to share that tech.
But thats the point ... Sony Semiconductors (and the shareholders and management above) don't care if they sell 1,000,000 sensors to Sony Imaging and another 1,000,000 sensors to Nikon rather than 1,500,000 to Sony Imaging; they do care if they sell 1,000,000 to Sony and TowerJazz sell 1,000,000 to Nikon.
And your still thinking they are separate companies. They aren’t. They are different divisions of one company... Sony. Fuji is a different company to Sony.
Legally they ARE separate companies. They are aren't just different divisions - they may share a common owner but they are separate legally.
People are still shelling out big bucks for quality Zeiss MF glass to stick on their DSLR's....£3000+ for their Otis line.Yes manual focus has been about for years and yes you can focus and recompose and the shot may well look ok but these days there's a tendency to pixel peep and if you look closely at shots taken at wider apertures by focusing and recomposing suddenly it doesn't look so good and no you can't focus and recompose and get results that stand up to close inspection consistently with practice. Well, with a 17-35mm lens at f8 you can but try it with a 85mm at f1.4 and you can't.
Yes you can hide focus errors or questionable technique with deeper depth of field and say that thin dof is the preserve of gear freaks and bokeh nerds but that's a different argument
I guess that's because lens technology hasn't really moved on, yes we have auto-focus lenses now with different motors etc but the glass is still glass.
I guess that's because lens technology hasn't really moved on, yes we have auto-focus lenses now with different motors etc but the glass is still glass.
DSLR technology is pretty dated and matured to a point that Nikon & Canon have squeezed out all the big strides from it, the technological jumps in DSLR bodies from generation to generation are very small now.
Mirrorless has plenty of room for growth and technological leaps..... its where the future is and both Canon and Nikon now acknowledge that.
I can remember a time where forums used to be full of mirrorless bashing from hardcore DSLR users saying its never going to take off etc. Now the tables have turned.
Not at all....... I may end up buying a Nikon
I agree, Sony still has holes in its lens line-up however hopefully they'll address these eventually.
Keep things back on topic, if Nikon went all in with mirrorless and managed to better the Sony A9, this would be great....