Parental Permission - TFCD for a 17Y/O

Rob.Marsh

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HI,

Furthering on from my post about taking the plunge on TFP models, I have had a handful of contacts asking me for TFCD.

One of which is currcntly 17. Aside from taking the usual protection, she has someone with her, as do I, not being alone with a minor etc etc, I take it that parental permission is deffo required?

I know this sounds a stupid question, and may have been asked before but I'd rather cover myself than not ask.

Please note, I am fully versed in child protection etc, I have it drummed into me by the scout association. Like I said, I just seek clarification.
I plan to do a model release, perental permission and make sure there are others with both parties.

That said, Iam also wondering if I simply politely say, come back when your 18, its far easier and simpler.

Regards

Rob
 
I don't think you need parental permission unless you want the model to sign a release allowing you to use the images for commercial purposes. If you don't intend on using the images commercially then I don't think you need one. That said you're probably best covering your arse anyway.
 
I suppose a lot depends on what your planning for a shoot, if it's a simple fashion type shoot in your or public place then legally you don't need anything (although it might be a good idea) if it's any kind of "glamour" then you on dodgy ground even with parents consent, then I'd say wait till shes 18 and avoid a lot of potential grief for yourself.
 
Its likely to be a simple, bright coloured, alternative style fashion type shoot. Location type in a public place. I will simply be using the shoot by way of a practice, and may post shots on here for C&C. I won't be using them for commercial purpose.
I will certainly stay away from glamour style, even suggestive type shots, no point treading on didgy ground for the sake of it!
 
Hi Rob

I think I know who you mean and I have suggested to her that I see your pictures first before I meet up with her because of her piercings/coloured hair as I was looking for a more neutral style :)

Even if you are not planning to use the images for commercial purposes at the moment I would be inclined to get a model release signed, email it to her so her parent(s) can sign it for her and she can bring it with her.

PS - thanks for the link to that site, I had a great shoot with a model on Sunday afternoon - and she was only two hours late!
 
Hey no problem. I have yet to do a shoot. Somehow, the moment I registered and started to make myself available, my weekends filled up. I'm hoping that those I can't fit in will be happy to wait!

2 hours late, I admire your patience in waiting!

I am 99% certain you have the right person, a very distinct style indeed, could be interesting for my first ever shoot. A test on the imagination/creativity that, as for me it will mean thinking very much out of the box.

I think your right though, I'll do a permission/release all in one kind of form. At the end of the day, if any model has an issue with involving the parents and won't get permission, I'd be seriously asking myself why won't they and pulling out. The last thing I want is parents with pitchforks after me!
 
A model release form has no legal status as such. It does not change the law one way or the other. It's just a written understanding and agreement between two parties. But you would be a complete mug to go anywhere near a young girl without one, signed in triplicate by both parents, even if you are 100% legal. Pitchforks are painful.

Be aware that young girls have been known to lie about their age. Even if they sign a form saying they are of legal age when they are not, whatever protection it gives you is null and void. Check their ID. These days you need belt and braces and a suit of armor.
 
HoppyUK said:
A model release form has no legal status as such. It does not change the law one way or the other. It's just a written understanding and agreement between two parties. But you would be a complete mug to go anywhere near a young girl without one, signed in triplicate by both parents, even if you are 100% legal. Pitchforks are painful.

Be aware that young girls have been known to lie about their age. Even if they sign a form saying they are of legal age when they are not, whatever protection it gives you is null and void. Check their ID. These days you need belt and braces and a suit of armor.
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I was aware about the model release not holding legal value. However, as I said, I was planning to do a parental permission slip, very much like the kind I use for activities within scouting. The parent signs it, saying that they are aware of the activity and give their full permission for their con/daughter to take part.
I can't see what else extra I can do really.
 
You may not like my reply, but here goes.

I have to be honest, once I was earning my own money and taking responsibility for myself, when people asked for parental consent they usually got told where to go, so just a subtle word of advice from someone who was once a moody 17 year old who thought the world was her oyster and that she was big enough and daft enough to look after herself....be careful how you phrase the "I want parental consent" conversation. I know that I sound like a raving looney, but seriously, if you word it wrong, there is a chance of her taking a huff and moaning about it to anyone who will listen.

Let her know that it's not just you being awkward and that you do want to do the shoot etc etc.
 
Thanks MagicMynx,

I fullyunderstand your reply, believe me. The scout section I am a leader for is 14-18, plus being 23 it wasn't that long ago that I was 17, working for a living etc etc.

I simply want to make sure I am covered, and I have delicately explained that it would be sensible yad yad, and the 17 Y/O in question has no problems with it.

Its not an easy one, but I'd rather take the chance upsetting a model and loosing a tfp shoot rather than not taking steps and encountering problems.
 
Rob.Marsh said:
I was aware about the model release not holding legal value. However, as I said, I was planning to do a parental permission slip, very much like the kind I use for activities within scouting. The parent signs it, saying that they are aware of the activity and give their full permission for their con/daughter to take part.
I can't see what else extra I can do really.
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Rob, I would advise against a parental permission slip. What you need, and this is normally provided for on any model release form, is the parent's counter signature on the actual form.

You want more than "it's okay to take pictures" you want permission for the release of these specific photos, of this person, taken at this location, on this date, by this photographer. There must be no ambiguity about precisely which images are invloved.

Get a new one signed after every shoot.
 
If considering shooting models...I may in the future...is there a general form available from download somewhere...?

Just that I followed this thread with interest and having the correct docs looks like it is a must...no matter what the age...then parential consent for under 18s...

Best to be prepared before even thinking about shooting...

STEVIER
 
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