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I went for a look round pc world last night - its usually good fun laughing at the prices. I went for a look at the camera section, as usual not a lot, three or four compacts and three dslr's. I was shocked, two of the dslrs that were on display didn't have a lens attatched and neither of them had a lens cover attached either so the sensor was on full display to gather dust / finger prints.
These cameras will no doubt be sold as ex display in a few months at a slightly reduced price with a as new condition.

How do these companys stay in business.
 
I'd never buy anything that's easily damaged from PC World/Currys for that reason. Even if it's in the manufacturer's packing the chances are quite high that some spotty 'erbert in their "Tech guys" department has been playing with it.
 
Edwinrgarland said:
I went for a look round pc world last night - its usually good fun laughing at the prices. I went for a look at the camera section, as usual not a lot, three or four compacts and three dslr's. I was shocked, two of the dslrs that were on display didn't have a lens attatched and neither of them had a lens cover attached either so the sensor was on full display to gather dust / finger prints.
These cameras will no doubt be sold as ex display in a few months at a slightly reduced price with a as new condition.

How do these companys stay in business.
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I very much doubt that that was the case as it would require the shutter to be locked open on the Bulb setting.
 
I have a saying I live by.

If I want a ring I go to a jewelers, if I want a camera I go to a photographic shop, if I want a fridge I go to an electric shop.
 
JSER said:
I use them, are you stating I am a fool, if so I take unbridge.
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At no point did I call anyone a fool!

Each to their own, but salesmen do con the unawares into buying UV filters, as they make huge mark ups on these and thats common knowledge. However, if you buy them, knowing all the pit falls but still find a use for them, then that's an educated decision, which is different. Its wrong, but different :)

Those who fall into the latter dont need to take offence, but I still question throwing good money after bad!

Those in the first, well I take pity!
 
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Chris Primadona said:
Whats wrong with using a filter to complete the wethersealing on a 1d and L lens? Or when something nasty might jump up and chip your front element? :shrug:

I wouldn't use one if I didn't need to but everyone should have one for those moments imo :thinking:
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The point is UV filters should only be made in very small numbers, not mass produced as they still are today, given that 35mm film photography has been superseded by digital, where they do not need to filter UV rays.

Protection filters on the other hand I see why some people do use them, though personally I don't, despite shooting in some very adverse conditions.

But my point was reference the retailers who are flogging them to average Joe (the type that buys a dslr because they think they are the 'in thing' and won't venture past the kit lens) telling them they need then for UV filtration!

I'm going to stop here as this pops up all the time now and this time it was my fault for mentioning the dreaded UV filter...
 
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EdBray said:
Misguided perhaps?
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Do not insult others, I would not you, do not call me misguided, I have been into photography too long and am no ones fool, keep your comments to yourself about my choices.
 
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ianjmatt said:
*umbrage*

:D
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And as I have clearly stated here on this forum before I am dyslexic and rely on spell checks when I have the time, keep your insults to yourself, check others spelling but be sure you are not also insulting their disability too.

Oh here is one of your posts "I just started one specifically for my experience in going bak to film. " It is back not bak :D but then to correct it would be churlish.

If that is all you have to do, then do not bother.
 
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Maybe the above self-righteous, condescending and smug comments are why newbies prefer going to pc world and comet etc instead of going into a real camera shop and being patronised and looked down on?
 
ivandobski said:
Maybe the above self-righteous, condescending and smug comments are why newbies prefer going to pc world and comet etc instead of going into a real camera shop and being patronised and looked down on?
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:thinking:

A bit random.

I dont know any camera shop that does this.

Oh, this was a dig at TP, I see now...?
 
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ivandobski said:
Maybe the above self-righteous, condescending and smug comments are why newbies prefer going to pc world and comet etc instead of going into a real camera shop and being patronised and looked down on?
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Well I never, read any camera mag you like and see that people who want SERVICE go to camera shops, go on, take the camera back to PC world when it won't do what you want, can't get the flash to work as a "newby" as you state, or something is confusing you, perhaps you may find a Saturday staff member who cares (not), go back to a proper photo shop such as Morris photo or Clifton cameras and they will spend ages "talking" to you as a person.
 
JSER said:
:D

And as I have clearly stated here on this forum before I am dyslexic and rely on spell checks when I have the time, keep your insults to yourself, check others spelling but be sure you are not also insulting their disability too.

Oh here is one of your posts "I just started one specifically for my experience in going bak to film. " It is back not bak :D but then to correct it would be churlish.

If that is all you have to do, then do not bother.
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Jeremy, dont take things to heart! This is a friendly place and no harm is ever intended, and if people do start crossing the line the mods are pretty efficient about dealing with it.

As for your disability, I think its fair to say he was unaware of it, and if he had been, he would have been more tactful with what was a tongue in cheek remark.

And relax... :beer:
 
odd jim said:
Jeremy, dont take things to heart! This is a friendly place and no harm is ever intended, and if people do start crossing the line the mods are pretty efficient about dealing with it.

As for your disability, I think its fair to say he was unaware of it, and if he had been, he would have been more tactful with what was a tongue in cheek remark.

And relax... :beer:
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Perhaps I have jumped in too fast, BUT, when you HAVE a disability you get sick of people not thinking, just perhaps, there is a reason for mistakes not correcting them as if you are stupid.

Don't you think 40+ years of it is enough to annoy most people.

My disabled son, 16 has learning difficulties no one seeing him nor speaking to him would ever know, but he also has Obsessive Defiant Behaviour (thank gawld for the spell ckeck) but the moment he is rude through no fault of his he is classed a YOB.

Apologies to ianjmatt

Jeremy R

Single father and carer of three disabled sons for 20 years.
 
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JSER said:
Perhaps I have jumped in too fast, BUT, when you HAVE a disability you are sick of people not thinking that just perhaps there is a reason for mistakes not correcting them as if you are stupid.
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Fair enough.
 
Any chance that this thread can get back on topic (y)

I use PC World/Curry's occasionally and I always check out the camera section, I often end up cringing at what I hear the sales people saying when they are talking about/selling the cameras :eek:
 
JSER said:
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Well I never, read any camera mag you like and see that people who want SERVICE go to camera shops, go on, take the camera back to PC world when it won't do what you want, can't get the flash to work as a "newby" as you state, or something is confusing you, perhaps you may find a Saturday staff member who cares (not), go back to a proper photo shop such as Morris photo or Clifton cameras and they will spend ages "talking" to you as a person.
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You're clearly never been in some of my local camera shops, some if them take surliness to a whole new level. How they're still in business I have no idea.
 
Ironically I bought my previous camera from Currys only for the reason that once I had finally decided to buy it they were the cheapest place - probably due to them ceasing to stock it.
 
I bought my 400d years ago from Currys as they had them with kit lens for only £339.99 when everyone else was stocking them at £430 and above! I think that was due to incompetence on their part though, as the price went up by exactly £100 the following month!
 
JSER said:
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And as I have clearly stated here on this forum before I am dyslexic and rely on spell checks when I have the time, keep your insults to yourself, check others spelling but be sure you are not also insulting their disability too.

Oh here is one of your posts "I just started one specifically for my experience in going bak to film. " It is back not bak :D but then to correct it would be churlish.

If that is all you have to do, then do not bother.
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It wasn't an insult - just messing about. Sheesh - I am the worst - although down to laziness with the keyboard.

Sorry if I offended you - wasn't aware of any issues.

On topic, PC World/Currys and even Jessops and great for the offer that sometimes comes along, but on their advice to a newbie can be shocking.
 
Okay, lets calm thing down please.

Jeremy, I'm pretty sure that the comments were made in good humour and that the posters weren't aware of your disability. As for the comment about UV filters, that's his opinion and, as you hadn't yet posted in the thread at the time, I'm pretty sure it wasn't aimed at you.

As for PC World, they're an electrical store, not a camera shop, so I wouldn't expect anything near the knowledge.
 
I bought my 500D from Dixons at Manchester Airport. Pre ordered on line and picked up in the terminal. Plus Canon were doing £50 cash back. Saved nearly a ton doing it this way.
As I fly quite frequently would look to buy other kit this way.
Also bought offsprings iPods from the airport. Doing it this way saves 20% off price,
 
I'm dyslexic or at least my fingers are. I have a really good self help book, dyslexia for begonias :D

The filters debate is an old one, based on a lot of cheap uv filters being fitted. I used to use one, don't now.

As for PC world, helpful staff, but they are there to box shift lots of different items. You wouldn't expect them to be experts in everything, certainly not if you've spent ages researching a purchase, or have it as a particular interest. If I want specialist help I go to a specialist shop. If I want cheap prices for a consumer item, I use the box shifters.

Which reminds me, I bought a rather nice bottle of port this morning
 
Edwinrgarland said:
I went for a look round pc world last night - its usually good fun laughing at the prices. I went for a look at the camera section, as usual not a lot, three or four compacts and three dslr's. I was shocked, two of the dslrs that were on display didn't have a lens attatched and neither of them had a lens cover attached either so the sensor was on full display to gather dust / finger prints.
These cameras will no doubt be sold as ex display in a few months at a slightly reduced price with a as new condition.

How do these companys stay in business.
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Why do you go there, if you have such a low opinion of them?
 
I bought my D90 from Currys last year... but only because it was the cheapest place to get one at 7:30 at night, and I had a £50 voucher to use too.

Wouldn't be my first (or any) choice for photographic advice though.
 
They also wouldn't be my first choice for a tefal actifry but having researched what I wanted they could give me the best price at the time.

As has been mentioned above they sell a wide range of goods and can't be expected to understand every item they sell but they are by no means the only retailers to do this. How many people leapt at the chance to try and get a cheap 60D from Tesco? I don't recall any of them shying away because it wasn't a specialist retailer. Likewise with bargains from Argos.
 
Byker28i said:
I'm dyslexic or at least my fingers are. I have a really good self help book, dyslexia for begonias :D

The filters debate is an old one, based on a lot of cheap uv filters being fitted. I used to use one, don't now.

As for PC world, helpful staff, but they are there to box shift lots of different items. You wouldn't expect them to be experts in everything, certainly not if you've spent ages researching a purchase, or have it as a particular interest. If I want specialist help I go to a specialist shop. If I want cheap prices for a consumer item, I use the box shifters.

Which reminds me, I bought a rather nice bottle of port this morning
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I used to work for Rumbelows, anyone remember them, in fact we had to know all the stock, went on train ing even to fit plugs and had to be able to calculate the amps an item would use, it was the norm for me to carry a 21" tv up three or more flights and washing machines etc, no complaints, where has service gone.
 
JSER said:
I used to work for Rumbelows, anyone remember them, in fact we had to know all the stock, went on train ing even to fit plugs and had to be able to calculate the amps an item would use, it was the norm for me to carry a 21" tv up three or more flights and washing machines etc, no complaints, where has service gone.
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Well unfortunately that service costs, in terms of training people, paying those experienced staff a decent wage to keep them etc etc and having recently been made redundant from a small inde TV/hifi/cd store I know that people are not prepared to pay for that.
You do get what you pay for.
 
Daryl said:
PC World and Camera knowledge? Can those words really go together in one sentence??????
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lets face it, they know nothing about computers let alone photography.

I have been INTO computing since CP/M, I have built computers from the first 286/386/486 and so on, ask them anything really technical and they have no idea.

I asked them once as a laugh acting as a newby, what the difference was between a large (full frame) and small eos60D sensor, the answer was "one is bigger than the other".


:bang: :wacky:
 
JSER said:
lets face it, they know nothing about computers let alone photography.

I have been INTO computing since CP/M, I have built computers from the first 286/386/486 and so on, ask them anything really technical and they have no idea.

I asked them once as a laugh acting as a newby, what the difference was between a large (full frame) and small eos60D sensor, the answer was "one is bigger than the other".


:bang: :wacky:
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:LOL: technically though, they were accurate! I would have delved further to see what they came up with!
 
JSER said:
lets face it, they know nothing about computers let alone photography.

I have been INTO computing since CP/M, I have built computers from the first 286/386/486 and so on, ask them anything really technical and they have no idea.

I asked them once as a laugh acting as a newby, what the difference was between a large (full frame) and small eos60D sensor, the answer was "one is bigger than the other".


:bang: :wacky:
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Similar to my laptop (not) buying experience - they had two Samsung ones that I quite fancied, one with a model number something like 1000M and the other an 1100M, with no obvious difference in specs, but a £50 one in price.

'Could you explain the difference between the two?' I asked the sales assistant, who replied, in the sort of tone normally reserved for explaining things to educationally slow 4 year olds, 'the difference is 100, sir' :LOL:
 
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