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Pentax's new film camera prototype is now complete, after a year of development
Makoto Iikawa and Takeo Suzuki spoke to Barfout about the highs and lows of bringing a new Pentax film camera to the market

Leica M mount is surely no good for a SLR style? To use existing lenses, you'd have to use the same flange distance (or whatever it's called), which wouldn't leave room for the mirror. A SLR would have to be a K mount variant; they're wedded to it, which is why their mirrorless attempt was less than a success.[...] They could go something like Leica M mount which would be brilliant, but takes money away from them, so I don't see it. Maybe they'll ship it with adapters or something to give people options. They'll want existing Pentax owners to buy it and won't want to upset them by making them buy into a whole nother range of lenses (I hope!).
This saddens me. I really hope it's not like the "new" Lomo/Ilford/Kodak cameras that are basically just 35mm instamatics. If they're going to put a lightmeter in it, focus, aperture range, shutter speed range, flash sync etc, that's not going to be cheap. It'll be a fine balance between features, build quality, lens quality (and focal length) and cost.However, I'm pretty sure I read/heard something from them that implies the first camera will not be an exchangeable lens, SLR-type camera
Yeah. OopsLeica M mount is surely no good for a SLR style
It could be just an engineering project for Pentax (Ricoh)I'm still not convinced of the wisdom of this. Resurgence in film, or not, I can't see it being anything other than a flash in the pan.
They are going to have fun when they try to fit a 35mm cassette into a mobile phone!I've noticed recently (before Xmas) a couple of adverts on tv where a young guy is using a SLR film camera......a new craze just have a mobile phone and a film camera?
They are going to have fun when they try to fit a 35mm cassette into a mobile phone!
Seriously though. My first 'serious' camera was a Pentax SV way back in 1964 and that camera and 3 lenses was the one that I owned the longest. It was so simple to operate even with a seperate meter or the CDS clip on meter they started making. I think I enjoyed my photography more then than any time before but there again life was much simpler then. If they (Pentax) were to create a new camera the consumers AKA buyers will want it to be all singing and dancing with AF, A Exp and virtually foolproof (there is no such beast) It may be me but I find people who have been brought up in the world of auto everything don't want to learn I would not even like to think of how much it may cost because I doubt if it will be a mainstream seller.
I'm still not convinced of the wisdom of this. Resurgence in film, or not, I can't see it being anything other than a flash in the pan.
Having worked in (used) camera retail for a few years, particularly film as well as being in and around it for much, much longer I genuinely think that if someone made something like a new MJU ii or equivalent for £250-£400, they would sell many, many of them. Brand new with a 12 month warranty would probably encourage people to spend a little more seeing they will spend £250-£300 on one knowing it may fail in the not too distant future.
Yes there are trends which will come and go, though. People used to pour into the shop daily asking for Portra 400 without knowing why they wanted that particular film or speed. They had just seen it online. If we told them we had none but we had Portra 160 which was perfect as the sun was shining or Portra 800 which is a lovely film and really good if there was less light, they would ask what the numbers meant.
I've often wondered why companies like Samyang and TTartisan haven't brought of a version of their manual lenses in say a Canon FD mount.
IMHO the lens shortage comes at least partly because of the ease of adapting them to the new breed of mirrorless digital cameras, compounded by gradual reductions in stock due to accident, de-lamination, haze, fungus etc. That's one of the reasons why I think Pentax should release some modern lenses when they get round to releasing a SLR; there'll be a real market there. Film cameras have additional weak points (electronics, meters, etc) that I suspect means the available stock is being degraded a bit faster. I really welcome this move by Pentax/Ricoh, and not just because I've kept using Pentax SLRs since 1971! There are some sceptics on this thread, and that's just fine; it's enthusiasts (and probably "inflooncers") who'll buy it! I'm not sure I'd want a fixed lens film camera, but if it's decent quality and fits my general interest (like some of the Ricoh GR maybe?), then I might give it a go.One thing I've noticed is that film era lenses in good condition are getting harder to find at a reasonable price. If the same is true of film cameras I too can see people being tempted away from hunting for decent used kit at possibly increasing prices and buying new.
IMHO the lens shortage comes at least partly because of the ease of adapting them to the new breed of mirrorless digital cameras, compounded by gradual reductions in stock due to accident, de-lamination, haze, fungus etc. That's one of the reasons why I think Pentax should release some modern lenses when they get round to releasing a SLR; there'll be a real market there. Film cameras have additional weak points (electronics, meters, etc) that I suspect means the available stock is being degraded a bit faster. I really welcome this move by Pentax/Ricoh, and not just because I've kept using Pentax SLRs since 1971! There are some sceptics on this thread, and that's just fine; it's enthusiasts (and probably "inflooncers") who'll buy it! I'm not sure I'd want a fixed lens film camera, but if it's decent quality and fits my general interest (like some of the Ricoh GR maybe?), then I might give it a go.
"That" being " Film cameras have additional weak points (electronics, meters, etc) that I suspect means the available stock is being degraded a bit faster."Just what is your reasoning behind that?
If they released a film camera that was a GR3 with snap focus, as they say in the US: "I'd be all over that s**t".like some of the Ricoh GR maybe?
I must admit that when I hear talk of this new Pentax film camera I think of the GR3, as possibly the closest to a point and shoot experience. I'd go further. Fit it with an optical viewfinder, do away with the viewscreen and only be able to see the images once you've downloaded them. There's your film experience, right there.If they released a film camera that was a GR3 with snap focus, as they say in the US: "I'd be all over that s**t".
I’ve put black fabric texture over the screen of my x pro 1 in the pastI must admit that when I hear talk of this new Pentax film camera I think of the GR3, as possibly the closest to a point and shoot experience. I'd go further. Fit it with an optical viewfinder, do away with the viewscreen and only be able to see the images once you've downloaded them. There's your film experience, right there.
I'd go further. Fit it with an optical viewfinder, do away with the viewscreen and only be able to see the images once you've downloaded them. There's your film experience, right there.
I’ve put black fabric texture over the screen of my x pro 1 in the past. I couldn’t resist the temptation to look every once in a while and the tape sorted it.
There’s a camera that’s looking like what you described called “Camp Snap”
Fun idea for some I'm sure, but you'd be surprised at how many people actually shoot and scan (or print) film because they prefer the look of scanned (or printed) film to the look of images coming out of a digicam. Not everyone is doing it for the 'experience'.
As good as it sounds, I cannot see any new camera being any more than a possibly high quality point and just paying lip service to producing a new film camera. Because to make something of the likes of Grandson of Spotmatic that will cost them dear to make and even more if it fails to take off.
I can just imagine the feeding frenzy the shareholders would have with the CEO and the Board of the likes of Pentax if it all went pear-shaped and fell at the 1st hurdle. To be honest, sadly, I cannot blame them, Putting it bluntly, there just isn't the market out there for a high quality camera in the same vein as say an updated Nikon FE2/3 or a Canon A1 or even a Nikon F100 . They do not produce the goods instantaneously like an Iphone
I am not waving the flag for digital, far from it, but camera users are lazy and will not change, why use a darkroom when a few buttons on the camera will do the same? Darkroom and film users like us are in the tiny minority.
Even the likes of the Royal Photographic Society are pulling back more and more from film based imagery. I class this as removing the foundations of photography as a whole.
I don't know who the target is. I am quite happy with what I have got and what they can do for me but it simply is a fact new equipment is not not going to be a big seller, not in todays world where electronic imagery is what people want - even if it is artificially created. Large companies are not going to put their shareholders investment at risk with a project that may cost £xxxxxx, but only bring an income of less than half of £x!Going by the above I suspect (and I mean it in the nicest way possible) that you're not part of the target demographic for this project.
I will agree there will be a market for one BUT not a mass market which is where the manufacturer will be able to make a profit. Share holders are only interest in profits!I think there's definitely a market for it. Not mass market - it won't attract general consumers to buy one, and it's not going to pull people away from digital cameras or mobile phone cameras in most cases. What it will attract is people who enjoy using film and would like to buy a new, good quality film camera (even if it's a point-and-shoot), particularly the younger market who have largely revitalised the format in recent years (and as a result driven up the prices of the second hand market). Will all film users buy one. No. Will enough people to satisfy the expectations of Ricoh? I think that probably, yes, they will.
Half framePart 3 of the new Pentax Film Camera update is now on you tube.
A vertical, zone focussing, half frame camera with the lens like the one from the Pentax Espio Mini.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqRQTOkhOJU
I agree, and as he said at the end of the video this might be the beginning for other manufacturers might start making cameras if there’s an audience.However, I do have to keep reminding myself, that this is a first toe in the water, and if successful, more cameras are likely to follow. I am sure they have done their market research. There would be nothing worse than them developing an advanced film camera that doesn't sell enough to make a profit for them!