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My pictures were used for a charity fund-raising ball in the local newspaper.
This is the first time my pictures have been published anywhere and I was given no credit and i'm a little ****d off. The event was set up by some relatives of mine, and I gave the high res pics to my uncle to send off to the paper and my sig has been taken off and no credit given. :thumbsdown:

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Am I right to be a little annoyed?
 
Yes, but to be honest a credit has the same value as the newspaper tomorrow.

Edit: that sounds more abrupt than I meant. To clarify what I mean the credit is great to have but hardly anyone ever looks at the credits, probably only us :)
 
This is a clear breach of your Copyright. You shot the image and you subsequently retain the Copyright - unless you signed it away. If someone wishes to use images for which you retain copyright, they MUST have your consent, at which point you woudl dictate your terms. I have taken action against magazines 3 times for the same thing - it took time but I eventually received payment for the use of the images without having to resort to Court action.
 
The difference here is that he gave them to his uncle for passing on to the paper for printing. Consent was explicit.

The issue is really what did the uncle say to the paper regarding credit etc and proving that one way or the other isn't going to be easy.
 
Yeah I agree. I'm mainly annoyed with my uncle as he asked me to be the photographer, I took out a night of my life (after doing a wedding in the morning), didn't get a thanks and he cropped out my sig and sent them off to the paper without stating that they should credit me.

Don't know if there is much I can do now. I could call the paper but it's not like they can remove the pictures.

Last time I do him a favour anyway.. :|
 
I take it back, it was easy :p
 
Just enjoy the fact your photo's are in the paper, the only person on the planet that would have looked at the credit for the photo was you.
 
TBH local papers are absolutely rubbish are crediting photos and as it was editorial moral rights don't apply either. Sorry to say there's little you can do about it :(
 
I think you've been on these forums for too long. while having your name there is nice its not really a big deal is it. not like they used it without your consent.
 
I once made the mistake of giving some promo pics to the parent of a young bike racer, I support the lad so no biggy, I knew they were destined for the paper. Images got published and were credited as 'Contributed Photo'. I had a good chat with the sports editor and he was very apologetic but as he quite rightly said that is what it was, a contributed photo, he went as far a showing me the original email and sure enough, no request for credit - now, if something is destined for the local, I will send it !

I did tell the guy about IPTC data etc and that they really should check to avoid future problems, if they had checked the image would have said all he needed to know !
 
paleblue said:
:lol: true, my ego would have been satisfied more than anything
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At least you are honest about that ;)

Being a little harsh however, how important is it to identify the photographer by their real name, Mr Pale Blue?

And you have published the picture here, plus some text which is copyright of the newspaper, without permission, which you have failed to credit :thinking:
 
Actually, he has used it in reference - so can legitimately publish an excerpt of the paper here. Just like he is upset at the lack of a credit, he has done the same thing and ommitted the reference that the excerpt came from (you should have given the paper a credit here!)

You can't have it both ways and if you are going to complain about how others do things, then you have to be absolutely correct in what and how you do them.
 
My local paper asked if I would take some shots last Christmas Eve, I was told there was no budget to pay for them, but as I was going to the event and thought it would be good to demonstrate to the editor what I can do with a view to getting future work, I done it. I emailed them in, confirming I was happy to do so, as long as I was credited for them.

4 of my images appeared on the front page, no credit!

What can I do though? Obviously my images were of a good enough standard, in future if the paper asks me to do anything, I will quote up front for it. If I throw a strop with them I would be unlikely to get anymore work!

Dave
 
CarlukeDave said:
My local paper asked if I would take some shots last Christmas Eve, I was told there was no budget to pay for them, but as I was going to the event and thought it would be good to demonstrate to the editor what I can do with a view to getting future work, I done it. I emailed them in, confirming I was happy to do so, as long as I was credited for them.

4 of my images appeared on the front page, no credit!

What can I do though? Obviously my images were of a good enough standard, in future if the paper asks me to do anything, I will quote up front for it. If I throw a strop with them I would be unlikely to get anymore work!

Dave
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Don't give work away for free. There's NO reason too, if they want the shots, they will pay for them (even with their excuses of no budget, it's all rubbish to get stuff for free). ESPECIALLY if they actually send you out on a job! It's disgraceful for them to not pay you, it's an insult to you as a photographer and to the industry which is being destroyed by people not charging for photos, and papers/mags trying to get stuff for free.

Just having a few photos published doesn't guarantee future work at all. Unfortunately nor does it mean your work is of a high standard (no offence, I don't mean this personally) since local papers print ANYTHING, regardless of the quality. Local and even national newspapers will always take a free photo over a paid for photo, even if the paid one is better.

You can't do anything about them not crediting you, they don't have to and you have no legal standpoint unless you wrote it into a contract (and even then it's totally not worth proceeding over something as menial as your name in print).

What is the big deal about published photos anyway? Why should we give away our services for free just to see it in the damn paper.
 
I was contacted by PM on this forum from an editor of a local paper regarding pictures posted on this forum. I agreed to email the pictures for use in the paper on the condition a credit was given. They used the pic two times over three weeks and on each occasion a credit was under the picture. I was happy enough with that even though he did say they were willing to pay. It was a local related article and my photography is only a hobby. I was just pleased that someone thought a photograph I had taken was worth the effort to contact me and ask to use it!
 
8utters said:
Don't give work away for free. There's NO reason too, if they want the shots, they will pay for them (even with their excuses of no budget, it's all rubbish to get stuff for free). ESPECIALLY if they actually send you out on a job! It's disgraceful for them to not pay you, it's an insult to you as a photographer and to the industry which is being destroyed by people not charging for photos, and papers/mags trying to get stuff for free.

Just having a few photos published doesn't guarantee future work at all. Unfortunately nor does it mean your work is of a high standard (no offence, I don't mean this personally) since local papers print ANYTHING, regardless of the quality. Local and even national newspapers will always take a free photo over a paid for photo, even if the paid one is better.

You can't do anything about them not crediting you, they don't have to and you have no legal standpoint unless you wrote it into a contract (and even then it's totally not worth proceeding over something as menial as your name in print).

What is the big deal about published photos anyway? Why should we give away our services for free just to see it in the damn paper.
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I don't disagree with what you are saying, I don't make a habit of doing stuff for free. I thought, maybe mistakenly, that by doing a favour, it would lead to more work. If it's done anything it's shown me how local papers operate, and I was going to the event and would have been taking photographs anyway, so I hadn't incurred any costs. But on your point, I would agree now, do nothing for nothing!

I wasn't trying to say my stuff is necessarily of a high standard, more that it was of a suitable standard for the local paper to use on it's front page.

As for the credit part, I also agree. It means nowt, getting paid is the important part!

dave
 
Next time they say they don't have a budget for photos or pay for them tell them you don't have one for advertising. That normally gets a stutter or two :lol:
 
I fill in the IPTC meta data on all my photos. I believe the bigger papers will read in data but not sure if the local rag would.


The wording my not be right or enforceable but in the Rights Usage Terms I have the following for when I send images off to a paper.

For consideration only, no reproduction without prior permission. The moral right to be identified as the author is asserted. No commercial or wireless uses without permission. Contact ******@***********.com.

Mark Sanderson reserves the right to pursue unauthorized users of this image. If you violate our intellectual property you may be liable for: actual damages, loss of income, and profits you derive from the use of this image and, where appropriate the costs of collection and/or statutory damages.
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and in part of the Instructions section I have the following

Mandatory Credit: Mark Sanderson
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Moral rights don't apply for editorial use so a credit isn't mandatory unfortunately.

edit to add: it is supposed to be best practice though, for all that's worth!
 
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