Poor Adele

[joescrivens]

I'm from North London and I don't speak like Adrle (and never have) but I know plenty who do. Accents can vary even within a region, especially in a big city like london and when you factor in street talk so it's unlikely she's faking it.

according to wiki she moved away from north london at aged 9 to brighton and then to brixton at age 11.

Faking it isn't really what I mean, just feel its accentuated more than it is in reality, mainly because of how she speaks now compared to earlier in her career - it's become more of a thing of hers.

 

[Dale_tem]

Who remembers Kate Nash? everyone loved her track Foundations and then found it she wasn't from a council estate and everyone complained she was trying to be someone else. The song Foundations needed that accent.

 

[joescrivens]

Well in all honesty the only points people are using as arguements to say they do not like nor care for her are

a. Her voice
b. Her accent
c. She swears.

At no point has anyone given any other reason or explanation, like she beats kids or has joined the bnp.

You misunderstood.

Her accent and the way she speaks irritates me to the point I wish not to hear her speak, that doesn't mean I don't like her, I haven't once said I didn't like her, I'm listening to her album right now in fact.

I have nothing aganst the girl, I just don't care to hear her speak is all.

 

[tijuana taxi]

Sure that Jamie Oliver chap puts the accent on a bit too, suppose it becomes their thing

Having only seen her for the first time today so don't know anything about her music, but she ain't none too pleasing on the eye either

No Kate Bush that's for sure

 

[new2me]

everyone loved her track Foundations

I didn't love it. I know the tune and thought it was just a gimmick. That's pop for ya

 

[joescrivens]

Who remembers Kate Nash? everyone loved her track Foundations and then found it she wasn't from a council estate and everyone complained she was trying to be someone else. The song Foundations needed that accent.

boom, there's another one, that really bugged me. But she doesn't speak like that, it's much more toned down, she accentuated it for the song.

There seemed to be this thing a few years ago about "the london sound" and lots of people were singing that way. I didn't like it at all.

 

[Marc]

according to wiki she moved away from north london at aged 9 to brighton and then to brixton at age 11.

Faking it isn't really what I mean, just feel its excentuated more than it is in reality, mainly because of how she speaks now compared to earlier in her career - it's become more of a thing of hers.

Well the fact that she spent her informative years living in North/South London & Sussex would eplain even more why her accent might not sound "normal" to others.

As has already been said, she may well have tried to cover up her accent at the start but has now relaxed since she "made it" and has slipped back into her natural pattern of speech. I don't see any reason for her to have accentuated () it anyway, it's not as if her musical style would lend itself to that sort of accent.

 

[Jimmy_Lemon]

OH GOD! WHO CARES!!!!?!!!!!

*takes deep breath and goes to find some more Lemsip*

 

[simon44]

Exactly

Everyone has their own persona, whether its genuine or not, a forum protagonist (or troll) or someone wants to show what sort of person they are or not.

I'm suspicious of people with ultra posh accents, so i can't really judge.

An ex colleague was a horsey kind of guy and i took my daughter to a show jumping comp because she likes horses. Anyhow I bumped into this guy and his accent had a definite addition of Percy Wooster in it. It seemed as soon as he rubbed shoulders with the non oiks of this world, he went a few notches up the pecking order. I let him know on Monday

If i had a choice of meeting Lady Victoria Hervey or Adele I know who I would choose. It aint the one with the plum in her mouth.

 

[joescrivens]

As has already been said, she may well have tried to cover up her accent at the start but has now relaxed since she "made it" and has slipped back into her natural pattern of speech. I don't see any reason for her to have accentuated () it anyway, it's not as if her musical style would lend itself to that sort of accent.

granted, that may have been the case.

But just as likely is that she could be accentuating )) her accent too. I guess we'll never know.

There is reason to do it, she stood out for the accent and it has become a "quirk" of hers, famous people always play on those kind of quirks to help define them. It's pretty commonplace.

 

[kelack]

OH GOD! WHO CARES!!!!?!!!!!

*takes deep breath and goes to find some more Lemsip*

Well said

Jeez, some of you lot just love to argue

 

[Dale_tem]

Joe - Is it a case of you don't like southerners?

 

[braveboy2012]

As to the OP I thought it rude to cut her off (as many people said) and I thought Blur were shocking and went on for way too long to the point I just turned it off. But why cut Blur off as opposed to any other act just because they were at the end? Bad planning if you ask me, plain and simple!

I thought her live song wasn't up to her usual standard but one of the better performances of the night.

As for her accent and all that, I don't really care. I think if you've managed to have the best selling album in a calendar year (what was it, selling a copy every 6 seconds? wow!) then give her her dues and the people that want to can and will listen to what she has to say.

Still, she'd already had one chance to say it all

 

[new2me]

Jeez, some of you lot just love to argue

Back to the title thread though, why Poor Adele?
The fact she won the accolade will bring in thousands more sales, the profits of which go mainly to the record company rather than the artist, regardless of her accept...

actually, I dont care either

 

[ZoneV]

Is Adele the one that did "knees up mother brown"?

 

[joescrivens]

Joe - Is it a case of you don't like southerners?

It could be! Although that means I don't like myself!

actually I generally prefer the northern accent to the southern accent. But depends on where the accent is from in the south. I typically don't like hearing people talk from where I am from, or what my accent was like growing up - I had a real common southern accent, being from the isle of poo (sheppey). When I go back there I cringe at the accent and how I used to sound myself.

Although I don't really have an accent anymore -it's very plain and boring. My wife has a great accent being from warrington and my kids are developing a stoke accent which I have mixed feelings about but at least it has character

i think it's more the way people speak than the accent which bugs me. My dad talks like a cockney but he doesn't deliberately make himself sound thick which i find some people do these days, with the "init" speak.

 

[Lynton]

Saying you don't like someone because you don't like their voice, or accent is pretty shallow in my opinion. It doesn't matter if its fake or put on, the person shouldnt be treated any different. After all you could say Stephen hawking has an annoying fake voice, so does that make him a bad person? I'm not trying to be insensitive or deliberatly over the top with someone who has a medical condition such as professor hawking, but just using it as a very loose example.

Interesting point and I digress slightly but you'd be surprised at the number of people who are insistent that Prof SH is American because of "his accent"

 

[Jimwah]

Don't think I've ever been offended by an accent, I find them rather interesting to be honest, the thicker the better. Don't tell the missus, but women with a thick Northern accent are like music to my soft, Southern ears

It was a bit of a shambles though, I'm no great fan of Adele, but cutting her off to let Damon Albarn stagger & yell his way through their set was a pretty poor effort! Bit of a shame because ordinarily I quite like Blur.

As an aside, Lana Del Ray looked stunning; and appeared genuinely touched by the support & success she's had in the UK.

 

[archamedes]

I wonder if George Michael found his way back to the bar in the end

 

[neil_g]

I wonder if George Michael found his way back to the bar in the end

i half expected him to shout "giant spider!" (fast show reference)

 

[archamedes]

lol doubt he could manage that, he was slurring too much.

I heard that James Corden went to Adeles dressing room after and tried to appologise for being cut off, as he did not want to do it but the producers were nagging in his ear because blur had plugged their instruments in and wanted to make some noise.

all in all it was bad, but not as cringworthy than when Kanye west stormed the stage the other year and crashed Taylor Swift's speech.

 

[joescrivens]

if i had been james cordan, I would have waited even with the producers in my ear.

assuming james cordan doesn't have my problem with her accent of course

 

[Samphire]

Joe, Dagenham born and bred here and have to say her accent is pretty much what I am used to hearing around these parts.

 

[joescrivens]

Joe, Dagenham born and bred here and have to say her accent is pretty much what I am used to hearing around these parts.

It's not just the accent - its the way she talks with the "init" style, making her sound much more unintelligent than she probably is

John terry and stacey solomon are from dagenham - those are the types of accents you hear around that part.

Adele adds the street talk bit to it which is what gets my goat

 

[tijuana taxi]

Must agree the estuary chavvy innit accent is pretty awful, nothing wrong with a good old Ray Winstone accent though

 

[joescrivens]

Must say the estuary innit accent is pretty awful, nothing wrong with a good old Ray Winstone accent though

yeah exactly! It's the addition of the "init" street talk that makes me want to rip my own ears off

 

[mxfun]

I think I heard one interview with Adele and concluded she's a bit 'fake' and can't help but feel that if she looked a bit more like your average 'pop princess' rather than 'bigger than average pop princess' she'd have been ignored by the media and we wouldn't really be talking about her :shrug:

That's a cruel comment to post on a very public forum !! Shame on you for being so small minded !!!

 

[Jimmy_Lemon]

if i had been james cordan, I would have waited even with the producers in my ear.

assuming james cordan doesn't have my problem with her accent of course

He would have had no choice, if he hadn't they would probably have just cut to a shot of him and he would have had to say it anyway. As it was his did it in a very apologetic way, and moved the show on.

 

[joescrivens]

He would have had no choice, if he hadn't they would probably have just cut to a shot of him and he would have had to say it anyway. As it was his did it in a very apologetic way, and moved the show on.

possibly, but if he really wanted to he could have just been silent. I doubt the production would have cut to him during the middle of adele speaking.

Now the brits team are full of apologies so Corden could have saved them a lot of embarrassment by not interupting.

Not that it was his fault

 

[TriggerHappy]

I love that she stuck up her middle finger on live television and almost no one has batted an eyelid but when the same thing happens in the US there's widespread outrage...makes me feel a little proud that we're not quite so prudish

 

[panther_87k]

granted, that may have been the case.

But just as likely is that she could be accentuating )) her accent too. I guess we'll never know.

There is reason to do it, she stood out for the accent and it has become a "quirk" of hers, famous people always play on those kind of quirks to help define them. It's pretty commonplace.

Im originally from london (near walthamstow) moved to swansea when i was 10. I generally have a soft swansea accent but catch me talking to my parents or other family from london way and my accent reverts straight back to that accent. I dont even notice it happens but my partner does and he thinks it hilarious. not put on at all.
could be a reason why adele's accent seems to fluctuate

 

[joxby]

.... Accents can vary even within a region, especially in a big city like london and when you factor in street talk so it's unlikely she's faking it.

That is so true.

There can be subtle variations in pronunciation and accent even in a very small area, whether we notice them or not very much depends on what we are used to hearing.
Adele sounded fine to me, typical London cack, but then I wouldn't know the difference between Tottenham, Kent, North South East or West London or anywhere else South of Luton.
I can however tell you where exactly someone has spent most of their life, in Yorkshire.
Some differences are irritating, some don't bother me, but I wouldn't expect some dude from Milton Keynes to be able to tell a Yorkshire accent from even Mank, they're just not tuned in enough to notice.
Barnsley is only 10 miles away but the difference in accent is so profound, its a serious struggle to communicate with any fluency.
But then I think Barnsley might be universally incomprehensible, along with Brum and Scouse...

 

[TCR4x4]

A prime example of accent fluctuation is John Barrowman. In his TV persona, he has a highly irritating camp fake American accent. When he talks normally outside of tv he actually has a very soft distinct Scottish accent.

Another example is when I went on tour for 2 weeks with a Swedish metal band, who had an all German Crew. It's only took a few days being surrounded by those accents 24 hours a day for it to rub off on me, and I found myself starting to talk German and have a heavily Scandinavian twang when I spoke.

Most Bizzare. Yes Adele's voice is grating, but that's her voice, so just put up with it.

 

[Mank]

That is so true.

There can be subtle variations in pronunciation and accent even in a very small area, whether we notice them or not very much depends on what we are used to hearing.
Adele sounded fine to me, typical London cack, but then I wouldn't know the difference between Tottenham, Kent, North South East or West London or anywhere else South of Luton.
I can however tell you where exactly someone has spent most of their life, in Yorkshire.
Some differences are irritating, some don't bother me, but I wouldn't expect some dude from Milton Keynes to be able to tell a Yorkshire accent from even Mank, they're just not tuned in enough to notice.
Barnsley is only 10 miles away but the difference in accent is so profound, its a serious struggle to communicate with any fluency.
But then I think Barnsley might be universally incomprehensible, along with Brum and Scouse...

What have I done?? :shrug::shrug:

 

[Stratman]

I love that she stuck up her middle finger on live television and almost no one has batted an eyelid but when the same thing happens in the US there's widespread outrage...makes me feel a little proud that we're not quite so prudish

Yet when a footballer does it the Foaming Tendency demand his head on a plate.....

 

[srichards]

The brits has never been much good. Only memorable moment in the entire thing was Jarvis Cocker's backside many years ago.

Very rude to cut someone off that's won so many awards and I didn't she just get a shed load of Grammys in the US?? Certainly shouldn't have been cut off by Blur. Could only have been more insulting had they shortened her for Jedward.

 

[new2me]

That's a cruel comment to post on a very public forum !! Shame on you for being so small minded !!!

Cruel? Small minded? In what way?

 

[leftcurl]

Cruel? Small minded? In what way?

small minded i can go along with... but you're not cruel

 

[mxfun]

Cruel? Small minded? In what way?

"The larger than normal" comment ,define normal!!!

I watched the awards last night ,and I thought she was beautiful .

 

[joescrivens]

"The larger than normal" comment ,define normal!!!

I watched the awards last night ,and I thought she was beautiful .

he means larger than average I would imagine.