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Hi all son number 1 want full frame, he has a budget to stick to

canon 5D

or

1D Mark II


which one???

obviously there are variants on both serial number starting 3, 5d and some issues with earlier 1D MarkII's

i would go for the 5D but need some input:help: but he may want to be different:shrug:

to stop him holding my 5D .:nono:



budget is around £550,00

Merc
 
1D Mark II isn't full frame, so that narrows your choice down to....5d.

You could get a 1dSII, but that's likely to be well used for that price.

Now if you have a 5d yourself, my thoughts would be to buy yourself a MKII and pass on your 5d. Cheap upgrade!

Graham
 
personally, up your budget and get the 5dmkII, much better. but as you have a budget to stick by, then the 5d as the 1d mkii isnt full frame as previous posts suggest
 
1D series are big and heavy and built to take punishment. If your No1 son is like my No1 son that's a distinct advantage as he can bash it around to his heart's content.

But unless he needs super accurate AF/8.5 fps/high build quality the 5D is hard to beat and lots around so cheap.
 
5D will be better imho but what is he using it for and he is going to need some decent lenses....
 
I have been wanting to know this as well, I have been looking at the 5D and 1Ds on ebay and on here, both seem to go for around £650 - £750 the 5D being the dearer, it wouldn't be till nearer Christmas that I would be purchasing but....

1) For landscapes and portraits is the 5D definitely the best?

2) Is the sensor getting dirty really that big a problem?

2) How is the ISO at higher settings 1000 - 3200

Sorry for hijacking Mark but thought I might as well ask.

Thanks
 
Jayst84 said:
Well, the 1D mk II isn't full frame. The 1Ds series is though.

Hard to beat the 5D, I use one every day for work, very nice bit of kit for the price now.
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blue max said:
1D Mark II isn't full frame, so that narrows your choice down to....5d.

You could get a 1dSII, but that's likely to be well used for that price.

Now if you have a 5d yourself, my thoughts would be to buy yourself a MKII and pass on your 5d. Cheap upgrade!

Graham
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AArrrrghhhhhhhh missed of the S on 1D thanks :bonk:

well i was thinking of passing it on, but having passed so much to son number 1 it's beging to look like a one way street :thumbsdown: points noted

Merc
 
Donki said:
I have been wanting to know this as well, I have been looking at the 5D and 1Ds on ebay and on here, both seem to go for around £650 - £750 the 5D being the dearer, it wouldn't be till nearer Christmas that I would be purchasing but....

1) For landscapes and portraits is the 5D definitely the best?

2) Is the sensor getting dirty really that big a problem?

2) How is the ISO at higher settings 1000 - 3200

Sorry for hijacking Mark but thought I might as well ask.

Thanks
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hey keep posting if you think of any more :clap::clap:

Merc
 
I had a 1Ds mk1 and swapped it for a 5D (then a 5DmkII). The 5D was a distinct improvement. The 1Ds was very slow to write files and the 5D blew it away at higher iso levels (although I didn't test noise reduction software as much as I might have). I wouldn't go above 800 with the 1Ds or 1600 with the 5D. I never found sensor dirt a problem but then I shoot mainly wide open.
 
EOS3 (film) and a decent scanner?
 
Hi
I have used the Kodak 14n for the last eight years. Its not fast but it can produce wonderful quality. Its got to be the cheapest route to a full size sensor. There is also a 14c if you already have Canon lenses etc.

Graham
 
5D if he doesn't exactly want to kill polar bears with it (or working a lot at the seaside, rocks where seals are necessary). 1Ds mkII is superior in every detail, but will cost over £1k - so over the budget. 1D mkII should be a good buy also, just not FF.

Dust is a huge problem in older gen dSLRs if you are shooting stopped down. They need regular cleaning, while 40D is fairly clean with the same exposure to the environment.
 
Hi trid a 1Ds mark ??? and my 70 200mm is could only hold it for 1 min at a time, and could not read the screen :gag:with out putting on my glasses.

5D it is then.


Merc
 
I've seen a few at £650, I think the 5d takes some beating at that money
 
I got the 1Ds for £560, but the batteries were dud and it came with no camera -> PC cable. still, I haven't yet needed to use said cable, and two replacement batteries from 7dayshop cost me an extra £20 odd quid, so that's under £600 for a very well built, nice condition FF camera. If I didn't need/want the rugged build etc. though I'd have preferred a 5D classic. better at high ISO and not as heavy.
 
Well manged to get him a 5D boxed with all accessories, a 3 seriel number mint not a mark on it,


For £575 cash collected.

Using my proven method which got me an infraction when i explained it in another thread.

so i will leave it at that :nono:

Merc the reformed :clap:
 
Bargain, I'm waiting for that lovely point in early feb where everyone looks at the Xmas credit card bill and wonders how to cover it to try and find a cheap 5D. I'm aiming at about that price body only.
 
I picked up an EOS 1000FN for £25 and my scanner cost £175.

£200 for full-frame?! Add on the expense of film and dev and you're still a long way short of the £650+ for full-frame elsewhere.

Pack of 10 Ektar 100 is £40ish
Dev a roll for £5 (so £50 for your pack of ten)
£90 for 360 photos.

It would take 50 rolls (1800 photos) of dev'd film to take you up to the cost of the 5D.

Plus I prefer film for anything I'm likely to use FF for anyway...

Was that not the right answer? ;)
 
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Full frame for £500? Buy a used Kodak DCS pro (n or c) with reasonable number of actuations.

Great camera and capable of great results as long as you dont push the ISO too high and hit noise problems
 
jamesb84 said:
It would take 50 rolls (1800 photos) of dev'd film to take you up to the cost of the 5D.
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Thank you for doing the maths. Let me finish it:

1 outing to the zoo = 400 pictures
coastline landscapes x4 = 4x 50 = 200 pictures
a portrait session = 100 pictures
party / friends / family snapping = 100 pictures a month
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800 in a month

A wedding? = 1000 pictures!

Time scanning everything = days (worth a lot £££)

Well this is now the cost of 5D in a hypothetical 1 month. A real 5D would still keep shooting for years to come...

This is not to say a that everyone should get at least 5D, but anyone that would be using one regularly. /End of the lecture.
 
jamesb84 said:
I picked up an EOS 1000FN for £25 and my scanner cost £175.

£200 for full-frame?! Add on the expense of film and dev and you're still a long way short of the £650+ for full-frame elsewhere.

Pack of 10 Ektar 100 is £40ish
Dev a roll for £5 (so £50 for your pack of ten)
£90 for 360 photos.

It would take 50 rolls (1800 photos) of dev'd film to take you up to the cost of the 5D.

Plus I prefer film for anything I'm likely to use FF for anyway...

Was that not the right answer? ;)
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i would like to see my son (who it is for handle that EOS camera)


we would have paid £90.00 for 360 dark, fuzzy, blown, blurred, overexposed,ruined, photos.

and the cries of DAD whats appenin to this i can't see the picture on the back:lol:

My son is a total NOOB with a fat wallet>>>>bad enough combination..

Merc the film user of yesteryear.
 
daugirdas said:
Thank you for doing the maths. Let me finish it:

1 outing to the zoo = 400 pictures
coastline landscapes x4 = 4x 50 = 200 pictures
a portrait session = 100 pictures
party / friends / family snapping = 100 pictures a month
------
800 in a month

A wedding? = 1000 pictures!

Time scanning everything = days (worth a lot £££)

Well this is now the cost of 5D in a hypothetical 1 month. A real 5D would still keep shooting for years to come...

This is not to say a that everyone should get at least 5D, but anyone that would be using one regularly. /End of the lecture.
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You forgot the darkroom costs, the dodging and burning that went with it.
I've done film, used to use Middlesex Poly's facilities. Film might have that different feel/quality, but it's very time consuming.

Can I throw another suggestion into the mix.

Canon have a Student £150 cashback deal at the moment on the 7D and 5D mk2, so how about upgrading your's with a camera from someone like Kerso, then get the £150 cashback to maker it cheaper and give him your 5D.
 
mercmanuk said:
i would like to see my son (who it is for handle that EOS camera)


we would have paid £90.00 for 360 dark, fuzzy, blown, blurred, overexposed,ruined, photos.

and the cries of DAD whats appenin to this i can't see the picture on the back:lol:

My son is a total NOOB with a fat wallet>>>>bad enough combination..

Merc the film user of yesteryear.
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True, but it is a very good learning curve...sure you can see your images straight away with digital, but I still find it takes away some of the knowledge and skill that makes a good photo.

Byker is right though, there is a lot of time consumed doing film work, though it's far more rewarding than fixing in Photoshop. Plus, I doubt he's working to deadline, so take the time and enjoy it. I'd seriously give it some thought, it might be frustrating to start with but the rewards are very very good.
 
jamesb84 said:
True, but it is a very good learning curve...sure you can see your images straight away with digital, but I still find it takes away some of the knowledge and skill that makes a good photo.

Byker is right though, there is a lot of time consumed doing film work, though it's far more rewarding than fixing in Photoshop. Plus, I doubt he's working to deadline, so take the time and enjoy it. I'd seriously give it some thought, it might be frustrating to start with but the rewards are very very good.
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Hi i used to shoot film, but had the luxury of it being funded by our local council i was a youth worker, and it was to log trips away, group work, events etc, it was bloody expensive though. and as you say a great learning curve, i only shoot manual because of it.

Merc
 
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Our local college insists on students using a film camera for the first year.
 
mercmanuk said:
Hi i used to shhot film, but had the luxcery of it being funded by our local council i was a youth worker, and it was to log trips away, group work, events etc, it was bloody expensive though. and as you say a great learning curve, i only shoot manual because of it.

Merc
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True enough...that is a nice luxury. I use it on paid jobs where I'm not on deadline. So magazine shoots and features, plus architecture (which I usually go for Medium Format for). My clients don't mind paying for my processing costs, so it's OK.

I agree, it is expensive for personal use. I still give it a craic though. Still waiting to finish a roll from my recent holiday though.. :(
 
FWIW I was in the Cannon Street branch of Jacobs this lunch time and I noticed they had a second hand 5D body for sale with 12 month warranty for £599.

It looked tidy enough, but I'll have to admit I wasn't scrutinising too closely. Seems like a reasonable deal, especially considering Jacobs are probably a bit more reliable than some random eBay seller.
 
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Musicman said:
FWIW I was in the Cannon Street branch of Jacobs this lunch time and I noticed they had a second hand 5D body for sale with 12 month warranty for £599.

It looked tidy enough, but I'll have to admit I wasn't scrutinising too closely. Seems like a reasonable deal, especially considering Jacobs are probably a bit more reliable than some random eBay seller.
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Hi was it boxed with all accessories, and what seriel number did it start with i got a 32**** for son number 1 a 2008 seriel number 12 months warrenty, and a free sensor clean in 6 months time, an canon eye peice extender, screenys, and a cuddley toy.:clap::clap:

Merc the mercelus
 
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