.....when you use silent shooting/full electronic shutters on mirrorless cameras do they get counted on the camera's shutter count?
It would kind of defeat the object of having a shutter counter if you could switch it off surely?
It does and it doesn’t. The shutter has a lifespan but obviously if you’re using the electronic shutter then you’re not reducing the lifespan.It would kind of defeat the object of having a shutter counter if you could switch it off surely?
Shutter count measures physical shutter actuations, not the number of times the sensor reads out.
So no, they don't.
You're selling a ML body, the buyer asks the shutter count, he's going to possibly want to know overall count, so you're still going to have to explain I imagine. This is really the only time I ever think about shutter count tbh, I've never owned a camera long enough to worry about it. The longest time I had a camera for was my D800 and the count on that was 38K when I sold. That's nothing for a pro spec body.
And will they also ask for how many minutes/hours of video you've taken?
One things for sure though, on the modern cameras with 18fps shooting, you can really rack up those shutter counts!
I don’t understand why the overall count would matter tbh. I can understand in a DSLR as you also have the mirror that moves and can possibly wear, but what components would wear using electronic shutter on a mirrorless?You're selling a ML body, the buyer asks the shutter count, he's going to possibly want to know overall count, so you're still going to have to explain I imagine. This is really the only time I ever think about shutter count tbh, I've never owned a camera long enough to worry about it. The longest time I had a camera for was my D800 and the count on that was 38K when I sold. That's nothing for a pro spec body.
My Olly can shoot up to 60fps Lord knows why you’d want to shoot at 60fps thoughAnd will they also ask for how many minutes/hours of video you've taken?
One things for sure though, on the modern cameras with 18fps shooting, you can really rack up those shutter counts!
Shutter release button?I don’t understand why the overall count would matter tbh. I can understand in a DSLR as you also have the mirror that moves and can possibly wear, but what components would wear using electronic shutter on a mirrorless?
It’s not something that I would ever worry about wearing out tbh.Shutter release button?
Shutter count is also an indicator of general camera use and likely wear & tear (albeit an imperfect one) - other components can wear out and fail as well as the shutter.I don’t understand why the overall count would matter tbh. I can understand in a DSLR as you also have the mirror that moves and can possibly wear, but what components would wear using electronic shutter on a mirrorless?
That’s why a made a specific reference to the mirror on the DSLRs, I can’t think of another moving part in the camera body off the top of my head, except IBIS but IBIS can’t be linked to shutter count as many have IBIS working on half shutter press which can be held for as long or short a time as you like.Shutter count is also an indicator of general camera use and likely wear & tear (albeit an imperfect one) - other components can wear out and fail as well as the shutter.
Buttons and dials can both fail. I've never seen any data on causes of camera failure, but I suspect there's quite a lot that can go wrong.That’s why a made a specific reference to the mirror on the DSLRs, I can’t think of another moving part in the camera body off the top of my head, except IBIS but IBIS can’t be linked to shutter count as many have IBIS working on half shutter press which can be held for as long or short a time as you like.
I don’t understand why the overall count would matter tbh. I can understand in a DSLR as you also have the mirror that moves and can possibly wear, but what components would wear using electronic shutter on a mirrorless?
I don't tend to keep cameras forever and was curious about resaleThen you've nothing to worry about, so why the question in the first place?
I agree, but my thoughts are that there's no way to monitor how much a camera is used, how often buttons are pressed as people chimp a lot, process photos in camera etc etc. The only thing that can be monitored is the shutter actuations, but as already discussed electronic shutters put no wear on the actual shutter that I'm aware of. AFAIK shutters are open at rest.Buttons and dials can both fail. I've never seen any data on causes of camera failure, but I suspect there's quite a lot that can go wrong.
Shutter count is also an indicator of general camera use and likely wear & tear (albeit an imperfect one) - other components can wear out and fail as well as the shutter.
As someone who buys a lot of old cameras, I have a number of ways of monitoring this. How much paint is missing; how many dints are there; does it rattle? And variations thereon.I agree, but my thoughts are that there's no way to monitor how much a camera is used, how often buttons are pressed as people chimp a lot, process photos in camera etc etc. The only thing that can be monitored is the shutter actuations, but as already discussed electronic shutters put no wear on the actual shutter that I'm aware of. AFAIK shutters are open at rest.
And you are probably right.As far as I’m aware I don’t think it does.
Could this be because it was shooting both jpeg and raw files, most of the time?The reason I say this is because the Sony A7Riii I purchased had a shutter count around 2600 but the file number was around 5800 when I got it. I was told it had been used on silent quite a bit and difference between the two figures would make sense that way. I’ve never been that interested to test if it does or doesn’t. Maybe I will one day.
Could this be because it was shooting both jpeg and raw files, most of the time?
Depends on the camera and the software used to find it. Not all manufacturers/programs use all of the exif fields the same........when you use silent shooting/full electronic shutters on mirrorless cameras do they get counted on the camera's shutter count?